Schindler's List

[Pearl]

The United Nations has designated January 27, the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau, as International Holocaust Remembrance Day—a time to remember the six million Jewish victims of the Holocaust and the millions of other victims of Nazi persecution. In 2024, the commemoration coincides with a surge in antisemitism worldwide.

I watched Schindler's list last night. I hadn't seen it before so decided to watch it on the International Holocaust Remembrance Day, 27th January. It was harrowing and moving and a brilliant film but it made me wonder how can people hate Jews knowing what they suffered in those camps at the hands of the Germans. Why do people still hate Jews? Why is anti Semitism still a thing? Here in the UK the hate for Jewish people is on the increase and I for one just don't understand it.

 

[amadeus]

The United Nations has designated January 27, the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau, as International Holocaust Remembrance Day—a time to remember the six million Jewish victims of the Holocaust and the millions of other victims of Nazi persecution. In 2024, the commemoration coincides with a surge in antisemitism worldwide.

I watched Schindler's list last night. I hadn't seen it before so decided to watch it on the International Holocaust Remembrance Day, 27th January. It was harrowing and moving and a brilliant film but it made me wonder how can people hate Jews knowing what they suffered in those camps at the hands of the Germans. Why do people still hate Jews? Why is anti Semitism still a thing? Here in the UK the hate for Jewish people is on the increase and I for one just don't understand it.

Why do people hate anyone or mistreat them just because in some way they are different in appearance or in beliefs? Consider also these verses where a curse has been directed at them:

1ki 9:7

Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:

2ch 7:20

Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.

Jer 24:9

And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.

But... let us not join the ones who taunt them. It is happening, but we need not take part in it.

 

[Pearl]

Who has seen this film and what did you think?

 

[Cassandra]

Who has seen this film and what did you think?

I thought it was fantastic, and wonderful that Schindler cared more for human lives than his own , if it came to that. I also loved the part where they showed the survivors at the end of the movie . ((They did in US anyway)

 

[Ziggy]

Who has seen this film and what did you think?

I've watched it several times. I have it on CD.

Both the inhumanity and the humanity.

There's this man, a business man. And he's in the business of making profits.
And he works with the Nazi's to build himself up, all the while blinded to what's going on around him.

Then something changes. He notices the people and he wants to help them.
He uses his business skills and craftiness to get around those in authority, so he can make a way for the survival of the few.

The end where they craft a gift, a ring.. and when the survivors come to his grave. Always makes me cry.

The Light within the darkness.
Hugs

 

[Debp]

Who has seen this film and what did you think?

I saw the film many years ago so can't remember everything. But it was well done and good for younger people to watch, so they can become informed.

When I was a teenager I read two or three books about the Holocaust. Some things I still remember...so atrocious. Would not repeat it here.

 

[Scott Downey]

Why do people hate anyone or mistreat them just because in some way they are different in appearance or in beliefs? Consider also these verses where a curse has been directed at them:

1ki 9:7

Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:

2ch 7:20

Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.

Jer 24:9

And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.

But... let us not join the ones who taunt them. It is happening, but we need not take part in it.

The unbelieving Jews are under the curse of the LAW as Deuteronomy 28 describes. And they are still under God's wrath in the NC times today.

The Blessing and the Curse

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 28 - New King James Version

Blessings on Obedience - “Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the Lord your God will set you high above all nations of the earth. And all these blessings shall come upon you...

www.biblegateway.com

1 Thess 2
13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe. 14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus.

For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are [d]contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.

 

[Pearl]

I thought it was fantastic, and wonderful that Schindler cared more for human lives than his own , if it came to that. I also loved the part where they showed the survivors at the end of the movie . ((They did in US anyway)

They did here too. I found it very moving as the actors came with the survivors they had portrayed and I found out that it was Liam Neeson who laid the roses at the end.

 

[Rita]

The rise for the dislike of Jews in the U.K. right now is surely due to the genocide in Gaza. People are angry and don’t know where to go with that anger, so they ( wrongly ) aim it at any person who is Jewish. The reality is that many of the Jewish people equally don’t agree with what is going on.

 

[Scott Downey]

KJ21
forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles, that they might be saved, thus heaping up their sins always. But the wrath has come upon them to the uttermost!
ASV
forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved; to fill up their sins always: but the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
AMP
forbidding us from speaking to the Gentiles (non-Jews) so that they may be saved. So, as always, they fill up [to the brim] the measure of their sins [allotted to them by God]. But [God’s] wrath has come upon them at last [completely and forever].
AMPC
Forbidding and hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles (the nations) that they may be saved. So as always they fill up [to the brim the measure of] their sins. But God’s wrath has come upon them at last [completely and forever]!
BRG
Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
CSB
by keeping us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. As a result, they are constantly filling up their sins to the limit, and wrath has overtaken them at last.
CEB
when they try to stop us from speaking to the Gentiles so they can be saved. Their sins are constantly pushing the limit. God’s wrath has caught up with them in the end.

 

[Pearl]

I've watched it several times. I have it on CD.

Both the inhumanity and the humanity.

There's this man, a business man. And he's in the business of making profits.
And he works with the Nazi's to build himself up, all the while blinded to what's going on around him.

Then something changes. He notices the people and he wants to help them.
He uses his business skills and craftiness to get around those in authority, so he can make a way for the survival of the few.

The end where they craft a gift, a ring.. and when the survivors come to his grave. Always makes me cry.

The Light within the darkness.
Hugs

It got many awards including Oscars and I read that many of them actually kept ion touch with him after the war and sent him money when his business failed.

 

[Scott Downey]

God speaking to the Jews the curse they have from Him, which if you read this, you can see how extreme it is

Curses on Disobedience​

15 “But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

16 “Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the country.

17 “Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.

18 “Cursed shall be the [e]fruit of your body and the produce of your land, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks.

19 “Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.

20 “The Lord will send on you cursing, confusion, and rebuke in all that you set your hand to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly, because of the wickedness of your doings in which you have forsaken Me. 21 The Lord will make the [f]plague cling to you until He has consumed you from the land which you are going to possess. 22 The Lord will strike you with consumption, with fever, with inflammation, with severe burning fever, with the sword, with scorching,[g] and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish. 23 And your heavens which are over your head shall be bronze, and the earth which is under you shall be iron. 24 The Lord will change the rain of your land to powder and dust; from the heaven it shall come down on you until you are destroyed.

25 “The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies; you shall go out one way against them and flee seven ways before them; and you shall become [h]troublesome to all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 Your carcasses shall be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and no one shall frighten them away. 27 The Lord will strike you with the boils of Egypt, with tumors, with the scab, and with the itch, from which you cannot be healed. 28 The Lord will strike you with madness and blindness and confusion of heart. 29 And you shall grope at noonday, as a blind man gropes in darkness; you shall not prosper in your ways; you shall be only oppressed and plundered continually, and no one shall save you.

 

[Scott Downey]

30 “You shall betroth a wife, but another man shall lie with her; you shall build a house, but you shall not dwell in it; you shall plant a vineyard, but shall not gather its grapes. 31 Your ox shall be slaughtered before your eyes, but you shall not eat of it; your donkey shall be violently taken away from before you, and shall not be restored to you; your sheep shall be given to your enemies, and you shall have no one to rescue them. 32 Your sons and your daughters shall be given to another people, and your eyes shall look and fail with longing for them all day long; and there shall be [i]no strength in your hand. 33 A nation whom you have not known shall eat the fruit of your land and the produce of your labor, and you shall be only oppressed and crushed continually. 34 So you shall be driven mad because of the sight which your eyes see. 35 The Lord will strike you in the knees and on the legs with severe boils which cannot be healed, and from the sole of your foot to the top of your head.

36 “The Lord will bring you and the king whom you set over you to a nation which neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you shall serve other gods—wood and stone. 37 And you shall become an[j] astonishment, a proverb, and a byword among all nations where the Lord will drive you.

38 “You shall carry much seed out to the field but gather little in, for the locust shall [k]consume it. 39 You shall plant vineyards and tend them, but you shall neither drink of the wine nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 You shall have olive trees throughout all your territory, but you shall not anoint yourself with the oil; for your olives shall drop off. 41 You shall beget sons and daughters, but they shall not be yours; for they shall go into captivity. 42 Locusts shall [l]consume all your trees and the produce of your land.

43 “The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. 44 He shall lend to you, but you shall not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.

45 “Moreover all these curses shall come upon you and pursue and overtake you, until you are destroyed, because you [m]did not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you. 46 And they shall be upon you for a sign and a wonder, and on your descendants forever.

47 “Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joy and gladness of heart, for the abundance of everything, 48 therefore you shall serve your enemies, whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger, in thirst, in nakedness, and in need of everything; and He will put a yoke of iron on your neck until He has destroyed you. 49 The Lord will bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flies, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a nation of fierce countenance, which does not respect the elderly nor show favor to the young. 51 And they shall eat the increase of your livestock and the produce of your land, until you are destroyed; they shall not leave you grain or new wine or oil, or the increase of your cattle or the offspring of your flocks, until they have destroyed you.

52 “They shall besiege you at all your gates until your high and fortified walls, in which you trust, come down throughout all your land; and they shall besiege you at all your gates throughout all your land which the Lord your God has given you. 53 You shall eat the [n]fruit of your own body, the flesh of your sons and your daughters whom the Lord your God has given you, in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you. 54 The [o]sensitive and very refined man among you will[p] be hostile toward his brother, toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the rest of his children whom he leaves behind, 55 so that he will not give any of them the flesh of his children whom he will eat, because he has nothing left in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates. 56 The [q]tender and [r]delicate woman among you, who would not venture to set the sole of her foot on the ground because of her delicateness and sensitivity, [s]will refuse to the husband of her bosom, and to her son and her daughter, 57 her [t]placenta which comes out from between her feet and her children whom she bears; for she will eat them secretly for lack of everything in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates.

58 “If you do not carefully observe all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, THE LORD YOUR GOD, 59 then the Lord will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plagues—great and prolonged plagues—and serious and prolonged sicknesses. 60 Moreover He will bring back on you all the diseases of Egypt, of which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you. 61 Also every sickness and every plague, which is not written in this Book of the Law, will the Lord bring upon you until you are destroyed. 62 You shall be left few in number, whereas you were as the stars of heaven in multitude, because you would not obey the voice of the Lord your God. 63 And it shall be, that just as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good and multiply you, so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you and bring you to nothing; and you shall be plucked[u] from off the land which you go to possess.

64 “Then the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known—wood and stone. 65 And among those nations you shall find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place; but there the Lord will give you a [v]trembling heart, failing eyes, and anguish of soul. 66 Your life shall hang in doubt before you; you shall fear day and night, and have no assurance of life. 67 In the morning you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were evening!’ And at evening you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were morning!’ because of the fear which terrifies your heart, and because of the sight which your eyes see.

68 “And the Lord will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Christians today are under persecution and actual physical attack by some Jews in Israel.
Israel is not a safe place to be a Christian, and the violence is growing, but it may be safer than in other places claiming tolerance towards Christians in the Middle East for now, Maybe, maybe not.

As attacks on Christians become more frequent, a crisis looms for Israel

Church leaders point to inhospitable political atmosphere as they lock compounds at night; government ministries insist they are actively combating ill-treatment

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Wonderful film. I should watch it again.

As for why people hate jews.

They are Gods chosen.. Satan Hates them.. And Satan still deceives the world.

 

[Scott Downey]

Wonderful film. I should watch it again.

As for why people hate jews.

They are Gods chosen.. Satan Hates them.. And Satan still deceives the world.

Here is how Romans 11 describes Israel today
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has [h]committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35 “Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

 

[Ritajanice]

but it made me wonder how can people hate Jews

How can anyone hate anyone would be my question, not just Jews.

 

[Scott Downey]

Church leaders plead with Israeli government as anti-Christian incidents increase in Holy Land

JERUSALEM (RNS) — The incidents have been organized by extremist groups who consider Christians to be enemies of the Jewish people.

religionnews.com

JERUSALEM (RNS) — As anti-Christian incidents perpetrated by religious Jewish extremists have increased in number during the past several months, church leaders are pleading with government officials to take the matter more seriously.

Until recently, those pleas have gone largely unheeded. Preoccupied with an unprecedented political crisis sparked by the December 2022 election of a government dominated by nationalists and ultra-Orthodox Jews, Israeli officials have given little attention to the anti-Christian assaults, say church leaders.

Bishop Rafic Nahra in Nazareth, Catholic patriarchal vicar for Israel, called the police response “weak.”

 

[Scott Downey]

How can anyone hate anyone would be my question, not just Jews.

Well they do. People have hated other people from the beginning. Some hate because of what other people who hate them do to them and their families. People today are still extremely tribal minded. Lots of haters hate for religious reasons, and that kind of hatred can be extreme and have extreme consequences.

Religious Jewish people have a long history of hating others and being hated by others. Paul describes them as being contrary to all men, and still true today. The early church had heavy persecution from the jews.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well they do. People have hated other people from the beginning. Some hate because of what other people who hate them do to them and their families. People today are still extremely tribal minded. Lots of haters hate for religious reasons, and that kind of hatred can be extreme and have extreme consequences.

Religious Jewish people have a long history of hating others and being hated by others. Paul describes them as being contrary to all men, and still true today. The early church had heavy persecution from the jews.

Have you ever hated anyone?