Seeing the difference = renewing the mind

[Behold]

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Perhaps the single most important understanding you can attain, regarding being "born again", is the understanding regarding the distinction between : Salvation, and Discipleship.
Most Believers do not see them as DIFFERENT, and until you understand that they are completely different, you'll have continuing issues with sinning, living holy, and understanding the Grace of God.

So here it is...... WHAT is the difference between your Discipleship and God's Salvation.

1.) Salvation, which is your eternal life "in Christ'.. = is what God did for you, as Jesus on the Cross.

2.) Discipleship is what you do for God because you have already RECEIVED His eternal "GIFT of Salvation."


Now, heretcis teach these as the same. They tell you.....you are keeping yourself saved by your commandment keeping, and sin confessing and trying to be like Christ.
But do you see that this is WHAT YOU DO ?????.......and its not what God did for you.
See the difference?
Heretics do not see the difference, so they preach/teach, ..... Discipleship, or the effort you give to God is your Salvation, and its not.
Salvation is the EFFORT...the SACRIFICE that Jesus gave to God on the Cross, that God then gives to you, as "the GIFT of Salvation"

Be sure you understand this difference and distinction, as it is the pathway to the renewed mind and the Real faith in Christ that is your deliverance, sustained.

Saint.... your forgiveness, ...was ONLY gained for you by the Holy One who """"by his own BLOOD Jesus entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."""
Hebrews 9:12

You just read that Jesus OBTAINED >Eternal Redemption< for you.
And THERE is your Salvation.
This means it can never be ended. Its "eternal" according to God who made it so., who created it so, because its based on the God man, the Bread who came down from heaven to become one of us = to offer HIS SALVATiON ...HIS VERY LIFE, to save "all who will BELIEVE".

Being Justified by God, is based on you choosing <> FAITH<> to be reconciled to God by having all your sin forgiven.
You can't forgive it, .. So God came down here to forgive it for you. = ." JESUS ....by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."""
Trust in the blood God gave to forgive you., and never anything else that someone tells you who denies the Cross of Christ, be replacing that Blood of Jesus with : commandments, enduring, water baptism, trying to abide, confessing sin, or any other SELF EFFORT.

Let me assure you that God does not forgive you based on "keeping commandments", as a deceiver would teach you, but rather, God forgives you based on His Mercy and Grace that forgives you and gives you eternal redemption = only through the blood of Jesus....only through the CROSS OF CHRIST.

And let me give you one more, Saint.

Never think, never believe, that God's blessings come to you, based on your behavior.
They do not.
Correction comes based on your wrong behavior, but BLESSINGS come only based on God's Goodness.
See, everything with God that comes to you as a divine part of your Salvation....and that is your forgiveness of all your sin, and you being "made righteous", and your Eternal life, your health, your financial security, your peace of mind, your protection, your answered prayers, = all comes to you as part of the "GIFT of Salvation". which is the GRACE OF GOD.
God is good to you, not because you are good.
God is good to you because GOD is good, and God's mercy endures forever on your behalf.
God is good to you, not based on you, but based on what Christ did for you on THE CROSS.

That's God's GRACE, and it is truly Amazing.

 

[Charlie24]

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Perhaps the single most important understanding you can attain, regarding being "born again", is the understanding between Salvation, and Discipleship.
Most Believers do not see them as DIFFERENT, and until you understand that they are completely different, you'll have issues with sinning, living holy, and understanding the Grace of God.

So here it is...... WHAT is the difference between your Discipleship and God's Salvation.

1.) Salvation, which is your eternal life "in Christ'.. = is what God did for you, as Jesus on the Cross.

2.) Discipleship is what you do for God because you have RECEIVED His eternal "GIFT of Salvation."


Now, heretcis teach these as the same. They tell you.....you are keeping yourself saved by your commandment keeping, and sin confessing and trying to be like Christ.
But do you see that this is WHAT YOU DO...........and its not what God did for you.
See the difference?
Heretics do not see the difference, so they preach/teach, ..... Discipleship, or the effort you give to God is your Salvation, and its not.
Salvation is the EFFORT that Jesus gave to God on the Cross, that God then gives to you, as "the GIFT of Salvation"

Be sure you understand this difference and distinction, as it is the pathway to the renewed mind and the Real faith in Christ that is your deliverance, sustained.

Saint.... your forgiveness, ...was ONLY gained for you by the Holy One who """"by his own BLOOD Jesus entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."""
Hebrews 9:12

You just read that Jesus OBTAINED >Eternal Redemption< for you.
And THERE is your Salvation.
This means it can never be ended. Its "eternal" according to God who made it so., who created it so, because its based on the God man, the Bread who came down from heaven to become one of us = to offer HIS SALVATiON ...HIS VERY LIFE, to save "all who will BELIEVE".

Being Justified by God, is based on you choosing <> FAITH<> to be reconciled to God by having all your sin forgiven.
You can't forgive it, .. So God came down here to forgive it for you. = ." JESUS ....by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."""
Trust in the blood God gave to forgive you., and never anything else that someone tells you who denies the Cross of Christ, be replacing that Blood of Jesus with : commandments, enduring, water baptism, trying to abide, confessing sin, or any other SELF EFFORT.

Let me assure you that God does not forgive you based on "keeping commandments", as a deceiver would teach you, but rather, God forgives you based on His Mercy and Grace that forgives you and gives you eternal redemption = only through the blood of Jesus....only through the CROSS OF CHRIST.

And let me give you one more, Saint.

Never think, never believe, that God's blessings come to you, based on your behavior.
They do not.
Correction comes based on your wrong behavior, but BLESSINGS come only based on God's Goodness.
See, everything with God that comes to you as a divine part of your Salvation....and that is your forgiveness of all your sin, and you being "made righteous", and your Eternal life, your health, your financial security, your peace of mind, your protection, your answered prayers, = all comes to you as part of the "GIFT of Salvation". which is the GRACE OF GOD.
God is good to you, not because you are good.
God is good to you because GOD is good, and God's mercy endures forever on your behalf.
God is good to you, not based on you, but based on what Christ did for you on THE CROSS.

That's God's GRACE, and it is truly Amazing.

Well said! Excellent, Behold! Just the plain truth of Scripture!

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

In the great commission, (Mt 28:19-20) Jesus told His disciples to "Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:" Hence disciples are made by baptizing therefore becoming a disciple is impossible apart from obedience to God's will in submitting to baptism.

John 8:31 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;"
After one first obeys God in order to become a disciple, then one must CONTINUE (life long) in Christ's word. Not continuing in Christ's word, one falls away from Christ no longer a disciple/follower of Christ. "Jesus did not say to those believers: "You have believed on me, therefore you are saved"; but he said in effect, "Now that you have believed, if you really want to be my disciples, do what I have commanded." - Coffman.

Doing what Christ commands, continuing in Christ's word is a life long endeavour and if one continues in His word/commands he will be a disciple indeed.

Disobedience is not how one becomes a disciple nor can one continue to be a disciple by living in disobedience to Christ's word/commands. Discipleship therefore is impossible apart from obedience in continuing in Christ's word.

 

[Behold]

In the great commission, (Mt 28:19-20) Jesus told His disciples to "Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:" Hence disciples are made by baptizing therefore becoming a disciple is impossible apart from obedience to God's will in submitting to baptism.

If you read past Acts, or Mark 16, you'll notice that God's revelation, continued to reveal more that you missed, as do all Water Cults, like the "cult of mary" or the "Jehovah's witness" who teach also that water is required for Salvation.
Water Cults deceive.
Try not to become their victim, Earnest.

So, Later, Jesus was back in Heaven, and He called Paul to be His Gentile Apostle, not Peter, or any of the others.
Paul is a "chosen vessel" whom Jesus called, to reveal the "gospel of the Grace of God" to us, "In the time of the Gentile"... that does not require any act of self effort to receive it.
This is why Paul told YOU........>"Christ sent me not to water baptize".

Water Baptism, get you wet.
Nothing more.

 

[Robert Gwin]

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Perhaps the single most important understanding you can attain, regarding being "born again", is the understanding regarding the distinction between : Salvation, and Discipleship.
Most Believers do not see them as DIFFERENT, and until you understand that they are completely different, you'll have continuing issues with sinning, living holy, and understanding the Grace of God.

So here it is...... WHAT is the difference between your Discipleship and God's Salvation.

1.) Salvation, which is your eternal life "in Christ'.. = is what God did for you, as Jesus on the Cross.

2.) Discipleship is what you do for God because you have already RECEIVED His eternal "GIFT of Salvation."


Now, heretcis teach these as the same. They tell you.....you are keeping yourself saved by your commandment keeping, and sin confessing and trying to be like Christ.
But do you see that this is WHAT YOU DO ?????.......and its not what God did for you.
See the difference?
Heretics do not see the difference, so they preach/teach, ..... Discipleship, or the effort you give to God is your Salvation, and its not.
Salvation is the EFFORT...the SACRIFICE that Jesus gave to God on the Cross, that God then gives to you, as "the GIFT of Salvation"

Be sure you understand this difference and distinction, as it is the pathway to the renewed mind and the Real faith in Christ that is your deliverance, sustained.

Saint.... your forgiveness, ...was ONLY gained for you by the Holy One who """"by his own BLOOD Jesus entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."""
Hebrews 9:12

You just read that Jesus OBTAINED >Eternal Redemption< for you.
And THERE is your Salvation.
This means it can never be ended. Its "eternal" according to God who made it so., who created it so, because its based on the God man, the Bread who came down from heaven to become one of us = to offer HIS SALVATiON ...HIS VERY LIFE, to save "all who will BELIEVE".

Being Justified by God, is based on you choosing <> FAITH<> to be reconciled to God by having all your sin forgiven.
You can't forgive it, .. So God came down here to forgive it for you. = ." JESUS ....by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."""
Trust in the blood God gave to forgive you., and never anything else that someone tells you who denies the Cross of Christ, be replacing that Blood of Jesus with : commandments, enduring, water baptism, trying to abide, confessing sin, or any other SELF EFFORT.

Let me assure you that God does not forgive you based on "keeping commandments", as a deceiver would teach you, but rather, God forgives you based on His Mercy and Grace that forgives you and gives you eternal redemption = only through the blood of Jesus....only through the CROSS OF CHRIST.

And let me give you one more, Saint.

Never think, never believe, that God's blessings come to you, based on your behavior.
They do not.
Correction comes based on your wrong behavior, but BLESSINGS come only based on God's Goodness.
See, everything with God that comes to you as a divine part of your Salvation....and that is your forgiveness of all your sin, and you being "made righteous", and your Eternal life, your health, your financial security, your peace of mind, your protection, your answered prayers, = all comes to you as part of the "GIFT of Salvation". which is the GRACE OF GOD.
God is good to you, not because you are good.
God is good to you because GOD is good, and God's mercy endures forever on your behalf.
God is good to you, not based on you, but based on what Christ did for you on THE CROSS.

That's God's GRACE, and it is truly Amazing.

Salvation for the born again is given upon their resurrection, whereas salvation for the other sheep is granted after they survive Armageddon or upon their resurrection as well, but they are still subject to death, as was Adam and Eve, but no longer subject to inherited death.

I am a bit confused about it Be, because the Bible speaks of those who are not born again, not coming to life until the thousand years have ended. We do have to pass the test of satan's release, that is what I understand it to mean, if we survive beyond the destruction of satan and those who follow him, it is then we have been granted everlasting life, but we will still be subject to God's laws, and not allowed to sin against them. I guess we will not understand it fully, until we are actually in that time period.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

The Bible is truth, it does not contradict itself so when one verse requires belief to be saved than all other verses harmonize with that. When one verse requires repentance then all other verses harmonize with that. When one verse requires confession, than all other verses harmonize with that. When one verse requires baptism, then all other verses harmonise with that. The trut of one verse does not cancel out the truth of another verse, the truth that beleif saves (John 3:16) does cancel out that repentance, confession and baptism also save (Lk 13:3, Mt 10:32-33; Mk 16:16).

The great commission is just as in effect today as when it was given some 2000 years. All disciples, including Paul, are under that commission to make disciples through teaching and baptizing. But to turn around and tell disciples to not baptize clearly contradicts the great commission. And the great commsiision has never been altered or rescinded.

v17 "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:"

Paul clearly DID baptize per the great commission (1 Cor 1:14,16) therefore it was not sinful for Paul to baptize even though he was "not sent to baptize". Why then was it not sinful for Paul to baptize? Why did Paul continue to preach the necessity of baptism (1 Cor 1:13; Rom 6:3-7; Gal 3:27' Col 2:11-14) if baptism is not necessary, if men are not to baptize? If baptism is not necessary and men are 'not to baptize' then why did Paul allow others to be baptized (Acts 18:8) why did he allow himself to be baptized (Acts 22:16)? Why stress one unnecessary, unimportant baptism, (Eph 4:5)?

The context of 1 Cor proves the necessity of baptism per 1 Cor 1:13
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

If one is to be "of Christ" then two things must be true;
1) Christ must be crucified for one
2) one must be baptized in the name of Christ

These two things are only true of Christ, hence no one can be of Paul Apollos, Cephas or any other man. Again, BOTH 1 and 2 must be true, yet if disciples are not to baptize then it becomes impossible for anyone to be "of Christ". Baptism is just as necessary to be of Christ as was the cricifixition of Christ.

in v17 Paul is using a figure of speech, an elipsis where he put more importance on one thing preaching over another baptism but not to the exclusion of either preaching or baptizing. The issue at Corinth is they were dividing themselves following preachers who baptized them rather than all following Christ. Hence Paul was glad he did not baptize many for he did not want to add to that division, not because baptism is unnecessary.

"An ellipse takes place when an essential word or phrase is left out of a statement. You can determine from the statement that the word was meant to be there, but the very fact that it was left out causes the listener to focus on the missing part. It engages the mind of the listener to participate in the discussion by supplying the missing word.

A common style of ellipses in Greek is of a “not ... but” construction, where both the “not” and the “but” modify a shared verb. Often the shared verb does not appear after the “but,” but is implied as an ellipse. This type of sentence construction is idiomatic in Greek. When you see it, you should read it as “not only ... but also.” The idiom stresses that what comes after the “but” is considered to be far more important than what comes after the “not.”

An example of this construction is found in I Peter 3:3-4. The common verb is “let be.” Some translations supply the missing words. Peter is not saying that styling your hair, wearing jewelry, or dressing up is forbidden. He is saying that they aren’t very important when compared to dressing up the spirit with gentleness and quietness. The latter make a far greater impact on beauty, especially in God’s eyes, than outward adornments.

In the case of I Corinthians 1:17 the common verb is “did send.” Paul did not claim that he wasn’t supposed to baptize. To claim that is to contradict what he just stated in the verses prior. What Paul is saying is that his duty to Christ was far broader than just baptizing people. He had the more important job of preaching the gospel, so he focused on this and let others do most of the baptizing.

Paul is not disparaging baptism but talking about the focus of his mission for Christ. Paul is stating that his primary purpose was not to just baptize people. His chief mission was to teach the gospel. Such teaching obviously leads to baptism (Acts 2:40-41; 18:4, 8). But Paul’s mission was to preach the gospel in a simple, straightforward manner so that the focus of the message remained on Christ’s death.

It appears that Paul, like Peter in Acts 10:48, had others do the actual baptisms while he continued to preach."

Why did Paul say he was not sent to baptize?

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[Titus]

The dispensationalist sects believe in two gospels.
One for the Jews that had works like water baptism.
And the gospel of grace given to Paul later After Acts 9.
The Bible teaches Paul before converting to christianity was a persecutor of the christians aka the way,
Acts 22:4,
-I persecuted this way to the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

Paul persecuted the way aka christians. Paul was persecuting the gospel message that Peter preached in Acts 2
Acts 2:38,
-Then Peter said to them, Repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Now supposedly when Paul was converted another gospel was given to Paul by the Holy Spirit.
This new gospel was a gospel devoid of the works of repantance and baptism.
Dispensationalist's believe all are saved today by the gospel of Paul.
They claim Paul ,taught Faith alone salvation.

Here's the proof that Paul and Peter preached the same gospel.
Go much farther into the future of Paul's gospel preaching.
Listen to what Paul says about the gospel he now preaches,
Galatians 1:23,
-But they were hearing only, Paul who formerly persecuted us  now preaches the gospel which he once tried to destroy.

Question: What gospel did Paul once try to destroy?
Paul become born again in Acts 9.
Therefore Paul was persecuting the gospel Peter preached from Acts 2,3,4,5,6,7,8
That gospel Peter preaches is the gospel Paul NOW preaches all the way to Galatians!

There is one gospel, said Paul,
Ephesians 4:5,
-one Lord, one gospel, one baptism.

Paul believes in one gospel. That gospel is the same gospel he once tried to destroy(Peter's gospel).