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[Heart2Soul]

In any case...I am a born again believer and have been redeemed from the curse of sin and death by the blood of Jesus which was shed for my salvation...
And though I stumble I get back up and continue the race by faith in Him to keep me from falling. ❤
I agree with you about the main point but if Hebrews 6:4-10,refers to committing a sin after salvation then I might as well hang it up because I have sinned since I got saved....and repented...and sinned...and repented....
And I am just now finding out that idleness is a sin...now I have to repent for that.
Is there any hope for me?

 

[Helen]

..amazing how self believes that it can reach the sinless goal.
...The thing is...there is great relief when we hear, believe and understand when deep in our spirit we hear Father say ..." I agree with you..there is no hope...you can't, ....but I CAN. "

One day I was walking up our hallway saying ..."Sorry Lord I can't, if I live another 80 years , I still wont get there."

I felt Him say deep within me... " Finally! No, you cannot, but I can."

I laughed so hard...and I felt He was chuckling too.

There was a reason that Jesus said .. "Abide in Me. "

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[Heart2Soul]

..amazing how self believes that it can reach the sinless goal.
...The thing is...there is great relief when we hear, believe and understand when deep in our spirit we hear Father say ..." I agree with you..there is no hope...you can't, ....but I CAN. "

One day I was walking up our hallway saying ..."Sorry Lord I can't, if I live another 80 years , I still wont get there."

I felt Him say deep within me... " Finally! No, you cannot, but I can."

I laughed so hard...and I felt He was chuckling too.

There was a reason that Jesus said .. "Abide in Me. "

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YES! YES! YES! AMEN!
I got goosebumps reading this! Love it...I can totally relate.:)❤

 

[rockytopva]

From my favorite author, "John Bunyan Dying Sayings" ...

Sin is the great block and bar to our happiness, the procurer of all miseries to man, both here and hereafter: take away sin and nothing can hurt us: for death, temporal, spiritual, and eternal, is the wages of it.

Sin, and man for sin, is the object of the wrath of God. How dreadful, therefore, must his case be who continues in sin! For who can bear or grapple with the wrath of God?

No sin against God can be little, because it is against the great God of heaven and earth; but if the sinner can find out a little God, it may be easy to find out little sins.

Sin turns all God's grace into wantonness; it is the dare of his justice, the rape of his mercy, the jeer of his patience, the slight of his power, and the contempt of his love.[24]

Take heed of giving thyself liberty of committing one sin, for that will lead thee to another; till, by an ill custom, it become natural.

To begin a sin, is to lay a foundation for a continuance; this continuance is the mother of custom, and impudence at last the issue.

The death of Christ giveth us the best discovery of ourselves, in what condition we were, in that nothing could help us but that; and the most clear discovery of the dreadful nature of our sins. For if sin be so dreadful a thing as to wring the heart of the Son of God, how shall a poor wretched sinner be able to bear it?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

"Sorry Lord I can't, if I live another 80 years , I still wont get there."

I felt Him say deep within me... " Finally! No, you cannot, but I can."

The problem is when people use this as the excuse to never get there and to never try. That seems to be what people are getting out of the message of grace these days, and they think that message is what has them prepared to meet Jesus when he comes back.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I felt Him say deep within me... " Finally! No, you cannot, but I can."

And then he never does. And the 'Christian' is satisfied with that. I just don't think that's true Christianity. My own life in Christ is different than that message. I'm getting a different message from the Bible.

See, when I got to the "Finally! No, you cannot" place that was the day I got born again. I had engaged in the impossible task of 'I can' BEFORE I got born again. That utter failure is what brought me to the feet of Jesus for salvation. (And that is consistent with how the Bible talks about the failure of keeping the law being what drives us to Christ for salvation). Since then, God has been at work, all on his own, bringing me to the obedience I couldn't muster up in my unsaved state.

This is not meant to be a discouragement to any struggling person here today. It's meant to encourage you to take a good long look at whether you've really crossed the line between heaven and hell yet. That's what our works help us discern.

9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child

If this is a discouragement, let it be a discouragement to every person who thinks grace is their ticket for them to never be lead out of their sin by God but still enter into the kingdom when Jesus returns. That's simply not a Biblical message. I'm trying to be sensitive to anyone who's struggling with that besetting sin, but there comes a time when you just gotta tell it like it is. Ultimately, the failure for you and God to set you free from your sin is the sign you have not crossed the line yet from the birth by water to the birth by the Spirit. May God minister this message to us in truth, to whom it applies, and in the comfort of his love, but in the sternness of that same love.

 

[Ziggy]

Curious,
When God told Adam not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge,
Did he write it in a letter to Adam?
Because God spoke, Adam listened to his wife instead, and death followed.

But when the commandment came.. Thou shalt not eat..
and one was "ignorant" of the commandment,
then was made to "know" the commandment,
then that one died.

Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

So Adam is in the garden, everything is going good... without the law.

But then God said.. don't do it. the commandment came.

Now sin revived.. what sin? covetouseness.. to be like God knowing good and evil.

They ignored the law that God gave in the commandment.. and it brought death.

Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Because if they had not eaten death would not have entered, the commandment was unto life.

But because they BROKE it, it led to death.

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

What sin? Covetousness. Because it didn't become "active" until there was a "Don't" do it.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Yes it is.. but we are not. There is only one good and that is God.
God sent his Son into the world to be "good" like God.
Now when you have the Son, you have the Father..
and now are we the sons of God...
But we son't know what that really looks like.. because we don't believe that we are good.
We believe that we are still in sin.

Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Put it this way:

was then that which is good "GOD" made death "ENEMY" unto me? God forbid. But sin "covetousness", that it might appear sin "Evil", working in me by that which is good "GOD" . That "Evil" by the commandment might become exceedingly "ABOMINABLE" .

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

For we know that the law is of GOD. But I am flesh, sold to the Devil.

Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

I know the difference between right and wrong, but I do the wrong anyways, even though I know it's wrong.

Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

It's not the laws fault that I have no control over myself, it's the law that shows me I have no control over myself.

Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

And this is a scapegoat statement. That's saying the Devil made me do it.
If that's the case then the devil was in Adam and Eve and not sitting in a tree.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Which is another scapegoat statement.
Here is Paul well versed in the Torah. He knows God has said follow these guidelines and you will live.
Paul is saying he is deaf dumb and blind, because He can't tell the difference between right and wrong.

Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

You are servants to whom you obey.. what can I say?

Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Blame it on the Devil.

Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

And this is where overcoming evil with good comes in.
That is to say, the battle between God and the Devil fighting over your very soul.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Let your light so shine before men, man.

Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

The law that says BREAK the LAW vs. the Law that says KEEP the LAW.
When he says members what is he talking about? His own body or a body of people surrounding him?

Strong's G3196 - melos
Of uncertain affinity
a member, limb: a member of the human body
of bodies given up to criminal intercourse, because they are as it were members belonging to the harlot's body

Rom 12:4 For as we have many members G3196 in one body, and all members G3196 have not the same office:

interesting..

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Again, what body is Paul speaking of, his own or those he is trying to witness to?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Paul is in the middle of spiritual warfare.. and we are watching the battle from the front row seat.
Every new born again believer will go through this same battle.
We will say, I didn't mean to do it... but..
And then we will blame the next guy, she said , the serpent said, the devil made me do it.

And the only way out is going in through the door and coming to the light, exposing all the darkness.
Then God can perform a couple operations on your heart and in your mind, so that through Him you can be an overcomer.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Amen

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Amen
Which law is that? God's Law or the Devil's Law.. should we KEEP it, or BREAK it ?

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The law was put there to show up one's sins.. it had no power to move you this way or that. That choice is yours and yours alone. To do good or to do evil.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Amen

We no longer are slaves to the devil and disobedience and rebellion.. etc etc..

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

And what did Jesus say?

Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Amen

The reason why God gave man HIS law was to show us where sin was hiding in us.
Without the law, there is lawlessness.. and you know those that commit such things will never find rest in Him.

rant rover
Hugs

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Therefore the doctrine of hell is a sound doctrine that ought to be preached more often. And, if sin will put you there, I believe that sin ought to be preached against to the extent that sin will put you in hell if you indulge in its practices (see Matthew 5:29-30).

Nobody goes to Hell for Sinning .....everybody in Hell has one thing in common—- UNBELIEF! Even Hitler is not in Hell for his sins......he is in Hell because he never did Gods will , which was to BELIEVE on the One He sent. your sins.....my sins..... and Hitler’s Sins were ALL paid for 2000 years ago....Hitler’s Mistake? He did not “ cash in “ to what Jesus had already done for him .One “ cashes in “ with Faith. Hitler had none......

 

[DPMartin]

So...if I willingly sin, do I need to repent?
Don't complicate it... just answer the question.

one would have to repent from the willingness to do so. therefore one does need the Lord to show how to rid one's self of such, some times in each case.

 

[Truther]

Sin is a bad thing.....sometimes a Terrible thing....duh. After a person Repents, that is, “ changes his mind” from “SELF TRUST” to “JESUS TRUST” he is Saved.So much for that.
As we established earlier , sin is bad.....any sin hurts others, hurts ourselves and displeases God On Account Of that Hurt.
However, too many “confused” Christians ....too many “poorly taught” Christians seem to live their lives Dwelling on the subject of Sin....something that God took care of for you, if you are a Believer in Jesus.If you are a Believer, God has Promised to Firgive you for all of your sins.....past ,present , and future.....He promised to take your sins and toss them into the “ deepest depths of the sea”.Your sins are as far removed from His sight as “ The East is from the West” And don’t tell anybody , but the Topper to all of this is that when the Accuser stands before you and God and tries to bring up all of your sins to God so that you can join him in Hell and get what you justly deserve , God is gonna say, “ What Sins? I don’t remember them!” Surprise! It’s just like Promised ! Saved “ To The Uttermost!”
So, in light all of these great Promises, the concern for Sin certainly has its place , but I know that ever since I became “A New Creation in Christ Jesus” , RESTING in paul’s Gospel of Grace Plus Nothing , I have become MUCH more “ SON” conscience “ as opposed to “SIN” Conscience
God’s Assurance Of Salvation for all Believers and His Amazing Grace , once fully recognized and internalized , so Out- Shadows everything else , I find myself delivered from the Baby World existence of sin ...repent.....sin ....repent, ad nauseam, keeping my eyes
on Myself instead of keeping my eyes on Him.....
A life devoted to Sin-Maitainence as opposed to Son Appreciation shows a lack of confidence in the Plan Of God for His Children , simply put, it shows a lack of Faith . It’s a Paradox, but nevertheless it is True......the More I keep my eyes on Him and HIS Performance, not being so Obsessed with “ my” pitiful Performance —- the Better my Performance becomes .Christianity is kinda “ crazy “ like that.....Full Of Paradoxes—— you go up by going down......you become first by being last....I am finding that the less I worry about sin the better job I do Of not Sinning .....hmmmm... I wonder if God knew that long before I did......God bless...

Written to the saints...


6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.



So yes. we must repent and reckon ourselves dead to sin, walk in the light and never backslide.

 

[Waiting on him]

Are any of you housebound?

 

[Truman]

So...if I willingly sin, do I need to repent?
Don't complicate it... just answer the question.

You need to learn the apostle's teaching...and ditch your truncated view of Christianity.
John is seen as the sanctified believer. - I am sanctified!
Ringo is seen as the respectable saint. - I may not be perfect but I am a good person.
Paul is seen as the humble disciple. - Okay, there is nothing good in my old nature.
George is seen as the dead man. - "Unless you deny self, take up your cross and follow me, you are not worthy of Me!"
This is the Father's road of exaltation, a "crosswalk," if you will. :)

 

[farouk]

I was a gentile upon coming to Christ, I had no knowledge of a mosaic law.

@Waiting on him I really don't buy the idea that some ppl seem to have that in order to "stay saved" we have to keep trying to engage in yet more and more lawkeeping in the hope of appeasing God, supposedly, whereas a true faith reliance on the Person and work of Christ is deeply assuring (Romans 8; John's First Epistle).

 

[Truther]

Jesus is Sgt. Pepper?

 

[Helen]

And then he never does. And the 'Christian' is satisfied with that. I just don't think that's true Christianity. My own life in Christ is different than that message. I'm getting a different message from the Bible.

See, when I got to the "Finally! No, you cannot" place that was the day I got born again. I had engaged in the impossible task of 'I can' BEFORE I got born again. That utter failure is what brought me to the feet of Jesus for salvation. (And that is consistent with how the Bible talks about the failure of keeping the law being what drives us to Christ for salvation). Since then, God has been at work, all on his own, bringing me to the obedience I couldn't muster up in my unsaved state.

This is not meant to be a discouragement to any struggling person here today. It's meant to encourage you to take a good long look at whether you've really crossed the line between heaven and hell yet. That's what our works help us discern.

9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child

If this is a discouragement, let it be a discouragement to every person who thinks grace is their ticket for them to never be lead out of their sin by God but still enter into the kingdom when Jesus returns. That's simply not a Biblical message. I'm trying to be sensitive to anyone who's struggling with that besetting sin, but there comes a time when you just gotta tell it like it is. Ultimately, the failure for you and God to set you free from your sin is the sign you have not crossed the line yet from the birth by water to the birth by the Spirit. May God minister this message to us in truth, to whom it applies, and in the comfort of his love, but in the sternness of that same love.

Thanks for your response.
We will all give account of what we did with what God gave us...
you obviously are entitled to believe what you choose to believe ....when the Father had the conversation with me in our hallway , it was decades after the day I was born again...which was in 1964 . I agree that once born again we cannot /do not sin , cannot because Jesus took it.

We can indeed fall short of the high calling of which Paul spoke.
That is why , like him, we fight the good fight of faith and lay hold of eternal life ...until the end.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus is Sgt. Pepper?

No, Billy Shears.

 

[Ziggy]

Interesting thought.
Before Jesus died he forgave sins.

Mat 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mat 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?

Luk 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
Luk 7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

I have a hard time saying what I want to say because I have a bad habit of upsetting the apple cart.

Who's idea was it that Jesus had to die for mankind?
God or Man's ?

Jhn 11:49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
Jhn 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
Jhn 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
Jhn 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Jhn 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.

It is interesting because Prophecy fortells exactly how this will play out.
From the original death of Israel.

Gen 47:29 And the time drew nigh that Israel must die: and he called his son Joseph, and said unto him, If now I have found grace in thy sight, put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh, and deal kindly and truly with me; bury me not, I pray thee, in Egypt:
Gen 47:30 But I will lie with my fathers, and thou shalt carry me out of Egypt, and bury me in their buryingplace. And he said, I will do as thou hast said.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Mat 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
Mat 27:58 He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.
Mat 27:59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
Mat 27:60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.

It's so cool how things work like that.

Israel's son Joseph is the same name as the Lord's disciple. They both carried the bodies away and placed them in their own tomb.

So the question:
Who's idea was it that Jesus had to die for mankind?
God or Man's ?

Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

Jer 11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.
Jer 11:17 For the LORD of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.
Jer 11:18 And the LORD hath given me knowledge of it, and I know it: then thou shewedst me their doings.
Jer 11:19 But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.
Jer 11:20 But, O LORD of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I revealed my cause.
Jer 11:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD of the men of Anathoth, that seek thy life, saying, Prophesy not in the name of the LORD, that thou die not by our hand:
Jer 11:22 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, I will punish them: the young men shall die by the sword; their sons and their daughters shall die by famine:
Jer 11:23 And there shall be no remnant of them: for I will bring evil upon the men of Anathoth, even the year of their visitation.

Anathoth = "answers to prayer"
a city of Benjamin allotted to the priest; located approximately 3 miles (5 km) from Jerusalem; birthplace of the prophet Jeremiah

Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Ultimately it was God's plan. Even though man devised evil against him, God used it for good.

Trust the Plan
:)
Hugs

 

[Helen]

The problem is when people use this as the excuse to never get there and to never try. That seems to be what people are getting out of the message of grace these days, and they think that message is what has them prepared to meet Jesus when he comes back.

When I wrote what you quoted to @Heart2Soul I was responding to her desire to reach holiness well pleasing to the Lord . Not speaking about salvation.

What is a risk is not salvation...we/she is bloodbought. What we were speaking about was living in the Higher realm ...above this lousy earth realm . Like Gene Edwards said ...” when you get out of bed in the morning , who’s life are you going to live in, His or yours.
We are called to live , move, and have our being in him....when we fail, it shows us that we are trying once again to perfect ourselves, and live in our life and not His.

The old man is dead ...but many just don’t seem to believe that...so they start once again trying to “get it right.” They end in frustration.

What God was doing with me in our hallway that day , was reminding me that I had dropped back into self works, which are dead ....only His work through us , will abide the test of fire .

 

[brightfame52]

So, if the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us because we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, does that mean that we have tried to justify ourselves through law-keeping?

Nope. Those Christ came to save, He lived in the flesh for them, and kept the Law for them, in addition He died for all their sins they sinned against the Law. So Christ has fully Justified His people in regards to the law, and they walk in the Spirit of Faith realizing that, Thats what Rom 8 4 means:

4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Its fulfilled in us because Christ fulfilled the law for us His People.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

..when we fail, it shows us that we are trying once again to perfect ourselves

Maybe. It can also mean you didn't even care to try. And that it's okay that you didn't resist in any way because that would be you trying to earn your own salvation. What a stupid theology. That's the teaching I resist with all my being. It's leading countless astray in the church. You know you're led astray by it when you see that neither you nor God has been successful at leading you out of your sin......and you don't care because to care would be you not trusting God but you trying to save yourself. Again, what a stupid teaching. It appeals to the flesh of a person, not the spirit. It excuses the flesh in the name of grace. It's a horrible trampling of the Son of God.