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Speaking In Tongues

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by iakwe2002, Jul 27, 2007.

  1. TallMan

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    I find it interesting how tongue speakers always quote a few verses in Cor. yet fail to read rest of the chapters.
    How presumptuous of you to say this!Not only do I read them, I make sure I'm in a church that practices them.Why don't you read them and compare with what happens where you worship ?!Do you have 2 or 3 gifts of tongues, one at a time, each with interpretation? (yes or no please)2 or 3 prophecies? (yes or no please)"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." (14:37)(kriss;16963)
    You defenders of tongues fail to explain why unsaved person or sinner can walk into a church that practices this an can speak this so called spiritual tongues.
    How presumptuous of you to say this!Tongues is miraculous in being a real language that edifies the speaker, no sinner or unsaved person can do this!God works it in saved people.If a sinner wants to come along and try to make it up (as happened once in my 20 years in ministry, very early on), it would easily be recognised as such and no-one would be fooled, except those who don't want to believe in the miraculoius-sign following gospel.(kriss;16963)
    Yet now you claim that any Tom,Dick or Harry can have this miracle sinner or not.
    That sentiment reminds me of the pharisees who were offended that Jesus did miracles among "sinners".
     
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    How presumptous of you to not do as God says and follow his rules about not speaking this in church If you do cant read what he says how am I to assume anything elseIf you belief no sinner can speak this you are delusional can you atest to the fact that every person in your church that does this is not a sinner Ive known many, many some who are even homosexuals yet they all claim this gift that is from God. How presumsous of you to minimise Gods miracles
     
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    A study on tongues"Exercise caution when speaking in an unknown tongue. Be certain there is an interpeter present and no more then three praying at a time in the church. God revealed this to us in ACTS for a reason. Because there is a danger in speaking in an unknown tongue" The Scriptures do not state to speak in an UNKNOWN tongue, but that they would speak in OTHER tongues (i.e., other languages). This was a gift for communicating the Gospel to peoples of other languages and has absolutely nothing to do with the demonic manifestations that are being carried out in the modern deceived churches. In every occurrence of "unknown tongue," in the New Testament, the word "unknown" is an added word (italicized in the KJV) by the translators to make the English readable. It is not in the Manuscripts! In the King James Bible you see some words in italics. These are words that they had to add to properly translate the Hebrew/Greek into English. As we can see, they did not always add the right words. But they were faithful in that they placed the words that they added in italics so that we would know that the words do not appear in the original Manuscripts as such. Check your Strong's for the word "unknown" in: 1 Cor 14:2, 1 Cor 14:4, 1 Cor 14:13, 1 Cor 14:14, 1 Cor 14:19, 1 Cor 14:27; it is not there in the printed versions, and in the electronic versions it lists the definition for "tongues" not "unknown." below we supply the above Scriptures, in them we supply the italics from the printed King James Bible version (We also place those italicized words in bold print so you can spot them quickly):1 Cor 14:22 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. KJV1 Cor 14:44 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. KJV1 Cor 14:1313 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. KJV1 Cor 14:1414 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. KJV1 Cor 14:1919 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. KJV1 Cor 14:2727 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. KJV Many false teachers have seized upon a word that isn't even in the Scriptures and built a whole false doctrine around it. In the Acts Scripture the words are "other tongues" not UNKNOWN tongues. I would bet dollars to donuts that most are using one of the corrupted newer version Bibles Below is the "tongues" of the book of Acts, and as you can see there was nothing "unknown" about it!Acts 2:44 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (KJV)other: Greek word #2087 heteros = other or different: Tongues: Greek word #1100 glossa = a language (specially, one naturally unacquired) When they spoke this tongue, everybody understood it, the Scripture lists 18 different languages that understood it AT ONCE! Not like today's so-called tongues where only another possessed person can think that he understands it. The Pentecostal Day (Acts ch. 2) tongues were heard and understood by all languages:Acts 2:4-114 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. (KJV) What is happening in the churches today is so far removed from the Scriptures that one could only suspect demonic influences. Stop babbling, it is not of God! Also, let us clear-up one more obstacle in this matter. The "Tongue Talker" teachers point to the below Scripture as a justification for their own so-called Tongue Talking in their churches. The Scripture below follows right after the above verse, so that you know that it is the exact same subject being spoken of:Acts 2:12-1612 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; (KJV) What the Tongues preachers/teachers will tell you is that some men called the speakers "drunk" because they could not understand what they were saying. Based on this, the Tongue teachers assert that when they speak in their babble, which people can't understand, it is the same as in the above Acts Scripture, because, as they arrantly suppose, nobody could understand it. Not so! First of all we just read that many DID understand, in (all) their own (different) languages even; but that some could not understand. So confused were those who could not understand that they accused the speakers of being so drunk that they couldn't even form words recognizable to the human ear. Paul assures them that the men are not at all drunk. So in our above Scripture in verse 12 we saw that many did hear, but in verse 13 we saw that some did not hear:Acts 2:12-1312 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. Who then are these, whom could not hear (could not understand the speech)? They were unbelievers. Unbelievers cannot hear with understanding the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit, which interprets all things (for the Christian ONLY), is not present in the unbeliever. That is why these certain men, those who were mocking, could not understand what the Holy Spirit was saying through the Inspired speakers. Jesus told us of these in another place:John 8:4343 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. (KJV) To understand Jesus is to understand the Holy Spirit, for they are One with the Father (1st John 5:7). Jesus said that His sheep hear His voice:John 10:26-42 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.30 I and my Father are one.31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (KJV) So who were those who could not hear the Holy Spirit? It was those same who would instigate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ:John 8:42-59 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. (KJV) Well the spirit of Pharisee'ism is alive and well in many of the compromised & spiritually corrupted Judeo-Christian churches. There is really no such thing as Judeo-Christian, it is new wine in an old (actually another) wineskin that shall burst. It is satan's dilution of the Christian faith. Are you offended that I said that satan is diluting the Christian churches in these times? Here, look at what satan has some of them doing their own so-called Christian churches today. In the below testimonies you can see the very real influence of evil spirits in some mainstream Christian denominations. Below are a couple of testimonies of Christians who came out of the delusion of the "Tongues Talking" denomination churches................................................Examples: First is a letter from a woman, whom we will leave unnamed, regarding her experience with the demonic Talking in Tongues, Slain in the Spirit, and Toronto Blessing experiences. (emphasis is added (bold italics) to highlight certain statements made in the below):"I have been to some really good churches where everyone was very friendly and nice but I ended up leaving these churches because these people were falling down, making animal noises, and in my opinion they were acting almost as if they were under a spell of some sort. I have never felt particularly comfortable with the practice.One day some of the ladies invited me to fellowship at one of their houses and I was a fairly new christian at the time and not well grounded in the word. After dinner, these same woman invited me to pray with them and they all started to pray in tongues which was alright but then they started to make animal noises and fall all over the place. I was immediatly feeling a sense that something was very wrong.Later, at the table, we were all talking and one woman said that when they were doing all this, she got a feeling that she should stop doing it. Guess what, she blamed it on the devil but I really felt deep down inside that it was the Holy Spirit convicting here for doing the practice.One night in a separate incident, One of the pastors at this same church laid hands on me and prayed over me with the elder. All of a sudden the Pastor pushed me down and as I laid on the floor, I looked up at him, and while he was praying in tongues, he looked at me with the glassiest and craziest look I have ever seen before. It sent a cold chill up my back and I knew something was definently wrong. Many times at church, this same pastor would stare at me with the same hypnotic glance to the point that I had to turn my head. He acted very strange and very odd when I would see him in the basement of the church. He was nice and everything but there was definently something very eerie about his presence.When I quit that church to go to another, I was told that I was being led by Satan to go to another church and that their church was the only one where I lived that was teaching the truth.I was also told that if I left that church, I would fall into apostacy so I never went back again." Next is a letter from a young mother, whom we will leave unnamed, regarding her experience with the demonic Talking in Tongues and Toronto Blessing experiences:"I have had the shaking thing [Ed note: this is the so-called: "Shaking in the Spirit] happen to me at the Pentecostal church I attend but I am wondering what it is. I do not believe it is of God. It gives me the willies.One time in fact I went to a fellowship at one of the woman who attend my church's house and two other ladies went also. I also had my kids and these women started to make animal noises and howl right in front of my kids. I played a long as I was just a babe myself, however I felt something really wrong in the spirit about this. As I have said before, I have turned from allot of the gifts due to this. I have even been trying not to speak in tongues although I fight the tongues thing. I still feel led to pray in tongues but part of me hates praying in them after what I have seen in the Pentecostal/Charismatic church."Just a few examples I have heard many and much worse some of people literally going insane ..........................................The conclusions if you want to privatley pray in tongues suit yourself (as it edifys only self)but because their are evil spirits that mimic this and you can not know the nature of all peoples in a group you should never as scripture says do this in large groups as Satan is the Master of deception. You can quote any scripture you like but these are the Biblical facts of what is said so proceed at your own risk.Sense you have know clue what you are saying how do you know what you are praying about or for.God would rather you know what you are saying to him. and sence scripture says No man can understand this tongue (without the gift of prophecy) what purpose does it serve? Who does it serve? cept self
     
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    How presumptous of you to not do as God says and follow his rules about not speaking this in church If you do cant read what he says how am I to assume anything else
    This makes no sense!I and the saints I am with do read and practice what 1 Cor. 14 teaches.I see you have dodged answering my question on whether you do the specific things it mentions there - if you are interested in doing the truth instead of trying to justify not doing it please respond.(kriss;16965)
    If you belief no sinner can speak this you are delusional
    You obviously don't believe the scriptures I quoted back on message #8 of this thread.(kriss;16965)
    can you atest to the fact that every person in your church that does this is not a sinner Ive known many, many some who are even homosexuals yet they all claim this gift that is from God. How presumsous of you to minimise Gods miracles
    The Corinthians were not walking in the Spirit, yet Paul never suggested their tongues or healings etc were false.Just because some Christians turn from following The Lord is no justification for you not to receive and walk in the Spirit.You will go to the same place as unrepentant homosexuals if you don't because you both refuse to do things God's way.
     
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    The Scriptures do not state to speak in an UNKNOWN tongue,
    1Co:14:2: For he that speaks in a tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries .. .4: . . . he edifies himself:14: For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. . . .how shall he that occupies the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understands not what you say?1Co:14:17: For you verily give thanks well, but the other is not edified.So, the speaker doesn't understand what he/she says - it is UNKNOWN to the speaker, AND the hearer doesn't understand because he/she is not being spoken to.Like if I'm walking down the Champs Elyses in Paris and I overhear two Americans, I will recognoise their words, but I will NOT UNDERSTAND who they are talking about, they are NOT talking to me !This fits in with Pentecost where:-"they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine." (Acts 2:12-13)NONE of the hearers understood the gospel !!!As a result Peter stands up, raises his voice and speaks TO the confused crown of over-hearing Jews in the common, learned jewish language 14: But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice,- THEN they understand the gospel.(kriss;16970)
    This was a gift for communicating the Gospel to peoples of other languages and has absolutely nothing to do with the demonic manifestations that are being carried out in the modern deceived churches.
    Heresy and blasphemy kriss - like the pharisees who accused Jesus of casting out devils by beelzebub.(kriss;16970)
    In every occurrence of "unknown tongue," in the New Testament, the word "unknown" is an added word (italicized in the KJV) by the translators to make the English readable. It is not in the Manuscripts!
    Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that tongues was and is unknown to the speaker and if there is a hearerit is possible that they may recognise the dialect but even then they are not being spoken to so it certainly isn't for preachuing the gospel to them or teaching them.(kriss;16970)
    First is a letter from a woman, whom we will leave unnamed, regarding her experience with the demonic Talking in Tongues, Slain in the Spirit, and Toronto Blessing experiences.
    Yes this emotionalism is contrary to the Spirit who gives self-control, not removes it so you are attacking a straw-man2 Pet. 2:1: But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies (eg. Slain in the Spirit, and Toronto Blessing), even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.:2: And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.So, God is ahaead of you kriss - you are using these heresies to reject the way of salvation whereby all are infilled with God's Spirit, speaking in tongues. You may think you are wise, in reality you are being foolish, surely you can separate what the bible doesn't say ( egSlain in the Spirit, and Toronto Blessing) from what it does say - all speaking in tongues to God, which edifies ?Yes or no?
     
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    Are ye foolish and blind? I will tell you this, You guys can't seem to comprehend what Yahshua said about His hearers, There is no unknown tongue(s) like ye say. Tongue speaking people says that it is a requirement for salvation? Ye are mad...and it's clearly getting out of hand, it is Satanic. Tongue are actual languages to be understood, not some blah blah blah. It also should only speak in groups of 2 or 3. And without an interpreter, it is useless as Kriss say.And who are you to judge Kriss? Are you our Judge? Nay you aren't. For He is the only Judge you can have. God is our Judge.I do know what these "unknown" tongue is about, because I used to go to a Pentecostal church. I was there at least 2 weeks, at max 3. Thank YHWH in Yahshua's name to get me out of there.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    It alright Jag man last I heard we are saved by grace not tongues anyone that can read scripture can clearly see that this jabbering in church is not the Same as the Holy Tounge of God and the AngelsWhen they spoke this tongue, everybody understood it, the Scripture lists 18 different languages that understood it AT ONCE! Not like today's so-called tongues where only another person can think that he understands it. The Pentecostal Day (Acts ch. 2) tongues were heard and understood by all languages1 Cor 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. KJV1 Cor 14:27 If any man speak in an (unknown) tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. KJVHow many understand this Jabber? Well according to ?God no man can understand it only the Angels in heaven and God. So the fact it was understood in Acts is the evidence of the Holy spirit of God. So to speak garable where none understand is evidence in itself that Gods holy spirit is not there. However we know there are plenty of fallen angels that might be listening. How would one decern this in group setting where just one could be speaking an evil tounge and bring it into the churchIm not trying to judge anyone Just quoting what Gods word says not what men teach sorry if it offends you but Gods word trumps your feeling If your not speaking and all languages understand what you are saying you better be praying by yourself1 Cor.14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit14:28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.
     
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    TallManQuestionHave you ever heard this unknown tongue that you speak about,interpreted,and if so what was it that was said that needed to be interpreted?.
     
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    This post seems to be going in circles so I thought I would re-emphasize the difference between a personal prayer language and the gift of tongues for assembly. When you read 1 Corinthians 14, it shows a similar phenomenon to whats going on today in certain Christian movements.. These people have their personal prayer language(some of them are faking I agree, and that is dangerous.) and these people hold on to that verse about it edifying themselves so tightly... BUT they neglect all the other verses in 1 Corinthians 14 showing its real intent. Its not just to edify yourself. You are to pray for understanding and desire to edify the church and not just edify yourself. If these people would actually do that, you would find a church that would finally start to parallel the way the church was set up in the book of acts. What a powerful thing that would be. Its so sad to read 1 Corinthians 14 because it is so applicable to movements nowadays. Imagine a church set up like that where there were interpreters and a person prophesying. Then a person who has a deformed hand getting healed. Maybe someone starts to convulse on the ground and the demon gets cast out of them. Maybe a church operating in all the gifts of the spirit and putting into practice "the great commission". If they can't even get from edifying themselves to edifying the church though, the next pieces wont fall into place. The gift of tongues is the least of the gifts and it is being misused. If secular people cant see the power of God in a church service, they might look for it somewhere else like a horoscope or phycics. It sure makes it easier for the anti-christ to decieve the elect if he is showing signs and wonders and the church isnt.
     
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    TallManQuestionHave you ever heard this unknown tongue that you speak about,interpreted,and if so what was it that was said that needed to be interpreted?.
    Answer: Yes, whenever I use the ability in meetings as "a gift of tongues".I can't remember any specific interpretation (not translation) but it is always edifying and instructing.The fact that scripture says to pray for the interpretation and this too is a gift of the Holy Spirit show that both are from God, not man's natural mind.If these things don't hapen where you worshiop God, you should be asking why not?In fact, let me ask you that question.
     
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    This post seems to be going in circles so I thought I would re-emphasize the difference between a personal prayer language and the gift of tongues for assembly. When you read 1 Corinthians 14, it shows a similar phenomenon to whats going on today in certain Christian movements.. These people have their personal prayer language(some of them are faking I agree, and that is dangerous.) and these people hold on to that verse about it edifying themselves so tightly... BUT they neglect all the other verses in 1 Corinthians 14 showing its real intent. Its not just to edify yourself. You are to pray for understanding and desire to edify the church and not just edify yourself. If these people would actually do that, you would find a church that would finally start to parallel the way the church was set up in the book of acts. What a powerful thing that would be. Its so sad to read 1 Corinthians 14 because it is so applicable to movements nowadays. Imagine a church set up like that where there were interpreters and a person prophesying. Then a person who has a deformed hand getting healed. Maybe someone starts to convulse on the ground and the demon gets cast out of them. Maybe a church operating in all the gifts of the spirit and putting into practice "the great commission". If they can't even get from edifying themselves to edifying the church though, the next pieces wont fall into place. The gift of tongues is the least of the gifts and it is being misused. If secular people cant see the power of God in a church service, they might look for it somewhere else like a horoscope or phycics. It sure makes it easier for the anti-christ to decieve the elect if he is showing signs and wonders and the church isnt.
    How very well put Ryan Amen
     
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    Answer: Yes, whenever I use the ability in meetings as "a gift of tongues".I can't remember any specific interpretation (not translation) but it is always edifying and instructing.The fact that scripture says to pray for the interpretation and this too is a gift of the Holy Spirit show that both are from God, not man's natural mind.If these things don't hapen where you worshiop God, you should be asking why not?In fact, let me ask you that question.
    How can you break Gods Word and still think he blesses this ??? the people of Acts were prophesizing to those that understood NOT speaking unknown tounges!!!!!!1Cr 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
     
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    Tallman, if you think you are going to get us "deceive" with this tongue talking requirement, you are highly mistaking. And again Kriss, even Ryan is correct. [​IMG] Amen!Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    How can you break Gods Word and still think he blesses this ??? . . .
    kriss, this is meant to be a discussion forum, I respond to your comments but when I ask you questions, such as on messages 101 & 104 you simply ignore.Please respond in a respectful way and you will be treated so yourself.
     
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    Tallman I was not answering you not to be rude or not have a discussion as you will see from other threads on this site I try to talk to most everyone. I did not answer because there is no relevance you are asking a question based on a misinterpretation of scripture. There is no answer to what it doesn't say in the way you say it. I thought I was answering by trying to show what scripture does say. If I remember you want me to compare how can I do that If I walked into a church (which I have) that practces tounges with no interpeter I leave as Christ is not there this is against God word.Same as I would leave if they were teaching Pre-trib Rapture as it isnt in Gods word either. I follow God not men. You are trying to give me scripture to support your misinterpetation I have read every word of scripture many many times this is a subject I have debated 100's of times I know all the scripture you use to support your misunderstanding.This is not persononal I just know what God says on the subject of tongues in church. You can defend it till dooms day and it does not change what God says.Cor149 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. . 11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. 12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. What edifys the church Prophesy NOT TOUNGUES(it edifys self)13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. (interpret is prophecy)19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? How does this futher Gods cause people think you are Mad?1Cr 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. The fact is your speaking in tonuges in church without interpiter has no defence It is againts Gods Word, against his instuctions, God made these rules to protect the church from evil spirits. entering and decieving the members. If you invite this into your church then it is in danger of becoming a place the Holy spirit does not want to dwell though evil can masqurade as holy.
     
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    . . . I did not answer because there is no relevance you are asking a question based on a misinterpretation of scripture.
    Nonsense, I simply asked if your church does what the scriptures say, namely:-1Co:14:1: Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy . . . :22: Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe . . .:27: If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.:28: But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.:29: Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.Do you have gifts of tongues with interpretation and prophecy?If so how often and are these things seen as distinct from normal preaching?
     
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    Nonsense, I simply asked if your church does what the scriptures say, namely:-1Co:14:1: Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy . . . :22: Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe . . .:27: If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.:28: But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.:29: Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.Do you have gifts of tongues with interpretation and prophecy?If so how often and are these things seen as distinct from normal preaching?
    Tall man,you are repeating the same kind of questions and comments over and over to everyone who opposes you. I believe what you are doing is harrasing. Please act like christian. This is christian forum.thank you,love, hitomi
     
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    you are repeating the same kind of questions and comments over and over to everyone who opposes you. I believe what you are doing is harrasing. Please act like christian. This is christian forum.
    Nonsense, my comments follow normal conversation.The only reason I repeated this specific question is because it was not answered and it is highly relevant to the discussion.You are the one harrassing me by falsely accusing me of repeating "over and over to everyone". I am acting like a christian, you are not.Why not add light instead of heat to the discussion by answering my question from the scripture yourself?I look forward to hearing how your church applies those instructions from God's word.
     
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    Do you have gifts of tongues with interpretation and prophecy?If so how often and are these things seen as distinct from normal preaching?
    Your interpretation of tongue is completely different from my understanding. My understanding is that "tongue" is language and I guess I have the gift of tongue since I am bilingual.Yes, I use both languages to evangelize. I dont babble like pentecostals like noone can understand.This is my response and I know many of us in this board expressed similar reponse. Just because you don't accept different practices and reasoning of the Bible, you have no right to harras over and over.love, hitomi
     
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    Your interpretation of tongue is completely different from my understanding. My understanding is that "tongue" is language and I guess I have the gift of tongue since I am bilingual.
    That interpretation hardly fits the scriptures - The bible says that the 120 disciples (mostly relatively uneducated people and their wives from Galilee, hardly a centre for international trade) spoke in tongues "as the Spirit gave them utterance", and tongues is listed in the gifts of the Holy Spirit.Many people, including atheists and mormons are bi-lingual, because like you they have learned another language.Paul also says that his understanding is unfruitful when he speak in tongues - but now I am repeating points that I have already made - but your "understanding" makes no attempt to fit in with these facts so what can I do but repeat them?
     
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