Spotting Heretics

[Blue Dragonfly's]

The blood of the martyrs is united with the blood of Christ. It's a baptism you can't comprehend. Your claim that being killed for not denying Christ has no redeeming value is absurd. The Blood of the Martyrs is the seed of the Church. You can't comprehend that either. It doesn't fit your wooden theology.

That's a nasty thing to say because redemptive suffering is absent from your system.

Col. 1:24 – Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ’s sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord’s suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.

Phil. 1:29 – for the sake of Christ we are not only to believe in Him but also to suffer for His sake. Growing in holiness requires more than having faith in God and accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. We must also willfully embrace the suffering that befalls us as part of God’s plan. Thus, Christ does not want our faith alone, but our faith in action which includes faith in suffering.

Matt. 10:38 – Jesus said, “he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.” Jesus defines discipleship as one’s willingness to suffer with Him. Being a disciple of Jesus not only means having faith in Him, but offering our sufferings to the Father as He did.

Matt. 16:24; Mark 8:34 – Jesus said, “if any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” Jesus wants us to empty ourselves so that God can fill us. When we suffer, we can choose to seek consolation in God and become closer to Jesus.

Luke 9:23 – Jesus says we must take up this cross daily. He requires us to join our daily temporal sacrifices (pain, inconvenience, worry) with His eternal sacrifice.

Luke 14:27 – Jesus said, “whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.” If we reject God because we suffer, we fail to apply the graces that Jesus won for us by His suffering.

John 7:39 – Jesus was first glorified on the cross, not just the resurrection. This text refers to John 19:34, when Jesus was pierced on the cross by the soldier’s lance.

John 12:24 – unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone and bears no fruit. Jesus is teaching that suffering and death are part of every human life, and it is only through suffering and death that we obtain the glory of resurrection.

1 Cor. 1:23- Paul preaches a Christ crucified, not just risen. Catholic spirituality focuses on the sacrifice of Christ which is the only means to the resurrection. This is why Catholic churches have crucifixes with the corpus of Jesus affixed to them. Many Protestant churches no longer display the corpus of Jesus (only an empty cross). Thus, they only preach a Christ risen, not crucified.

1 Cor. 2:2 – Paul preaches Jesus Christ and Him crucified. While the cross was the scandal of scandals, and is viewed by the non-Christian eye as defeat, Catholic spirituality has always exalted the paradox of the cross as the true tree of life and our means to salvation.

2 Cor. 1:5-7- if we share abundantly in Christ’s sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort as well. If we unite our sufferings with His, we will be comforted by Him.

2 Cor. 4:10 – Paul writes that we always carry in the body the death of Jesus so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. Christ has allowed room in His Body for our sufferings, and our sufferings allow room for Christ to bring us to life.

2 Cor. 4:11 – while we live we are always being given up to death for Jesus’ sake so that His life may be manifested in our flesh. This proves the Catholic position that our sufferings on earth are united with Jesus in order to bring about Jesus’ life in us.

2 Cor. 12:9-10 – Jesus’ grace is sufficient, for His power is made perfect in weakness. If we are weak, we are strong in Christ. Our self-sufficiency decreases, so Christ in us can increase.
Then explain why your best scholars and ministers are converting to the Catholic Church.
Evangelical and Non-Denominational Converts to Catholicism - The Coming Home Network
Baptist Converts to Catholicism - The Coming Home Network
Pentecostal Converts to the Catholic Church - The Coming Home Network
Presbyterians Who Embraced the Catholic Church
Church of Christ Converts to the Catholic Church - The Coming Home Network

Explain? Happy to.
''For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. '' 2 Timothy 4:3-4


1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

 

[Brakelite]

As far as I know Francis's election is the first time a Jesuit ever entered the Papal office.
And after Ratzinger retired from the office ostensibly due to health issues.

Given Pope John Paul's health was so dire he could not be understood during his public speeches, and he died while in office, Ratzingers departure was also suspect.

That first step to get Frank to take his place. A political order and he's a strong Liberal.
Sign of the times?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eres-a-look-at-7-of-his-most-notable-actions/

Being liberal or conservative is irrelevant with Jesuits. Jesuits play their own games, often having people on both divides simply to foment conflict. There will possibly be Jesuits working as lobbyists in government, some democrat and some republican. Have you ever heard of the Hegelian dialectic? Jesuits are masters of manipulation and reshaping culture to suit their agenda. Hence their interest and active participation in entertainment, politics, media, and education.
Which from the beginnings has had one aim... To promote catholicism at the expense of protestantism. That is true protestants... Not ones in name only but those who are still protesting.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Being liberal or conservative is irrelevant with Jesuits. Jesuits play their own games, often having people on both divides simply to foment conflict. There will possibly be Jesuits working as lobbyists in government, some democrat and some republican. Have you ever heard of the Hegelian dialectic? Jesuits are masters of manipulation and reshaping culture to suit their agenda. Hence their interest and active participation in entertainment, politics, media, and education.
Which from the beginnings has had one aim... To promote catholicism at the expense of protestantism. That is true protestants... Not ones in name only but those who are still protesting.

Maybe his election was part of the domino effect for the great reset?

 

[quietthinker]

I think it needs to be mentioned as a reminder.

Francis isn't a Catholic who happened to be elected Pope.

He's a Jesuit.

''A Jesuit is a member of the Society of Jesus, a Roman Catholic order which includes priests and brothers — men in a religious order who aren’t priests
.....

What do the Jesuits believe?
What is a Jesuit ? The Jesuits are an apostolic religious community called the Society of Jesus . They are grounded in love for Christ and animated by the spiritual vision of their founder, St. Ignatius of Loyola, to help others and seek God in all things.

What makes Jesuits different?
The Jesuits encourage toleration for other religions, teach other theology in their institutions, and also believe in free education for all. This emphasis on free-thinking—and especially the order’s opposition to opulent riches—has some calling them out as the founders of Socialism.''
More:Difference between jesuit and catholic

Jesuits are the militant branch of the Roman Catholic Church. They were set in place to crush Protestantism....by any means!

 

[Illuminator]

As far as I know Francis's election is the first time a Jesuit ever entered the Papal office.
And after Ratzinger retired from the office ostensibly due to health issues.

Given Pope John Paul's health was so dire he could not be understood during his public speeches, and he died while in office, Ratzingers departure was also suspect.

That first step to get Frank to take his place. A political order and he's a strong Liberal.
Sign of the times?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eres-a-look-at-7-of-his-most-notable-actions/

Catholicism according to the infallible Washington Post.

I haven’t found yet where he is at fault in these 10 million clueless accusations thrown at him (certainly not in any major way). People can say that I simply defend him no matter what if they wish. I was accused of the same with regard to St. John Paul the Great, too. Nothing new under the sun. I’ve done the research and made the arguments; including writing an entire book about it. Anyone is welcome to try to overthrow them, rather than simply say, “well, hey, ten of my friends think his foot is permanently in his mouth, too!”

Give the devil his due. I think Satan has been extremely clever in bringing about this state of affairs where the Holy Father is relentlessly trashed and made an object of suspicion and disdain even from otherwise perfectly orthodox Catholics. It’s a diabolical masterstroke of great genius. And we Catholics are equally stupid, dumb, and imbecilic in falling for this tactic and strategy; enthusiastically volunteering to be dupes and pawns and useful idiots of the devil in his design of mocking and weakening the Catholic Church and its witness to the world, and message of hope.

He’s a straight shooter. He’s not this remote, super-pious figure. He speaks in normal, vernacular terms, so people can better relate to him. This is what St. Paul taught: “I have become all things to all men,” and what Vatican II urged all Catholics to do.

And the stupid, clueless criticisms of the pope’s statements can be criticized as both stupid and scandalous. Not every public statement he makes is infallible in the first place. Most of them are not.

If someone doesn’t like my (or anyone else’s) defenses of the pope (and to me the defenses are perfectly plausible and sensible), they can go and knock themselves out showing that they are invalid, point-by-point. But no one ever wants to do that, because that takes work and actual thinking, rather than the easy way out of the quick accusation, moaning and groaning, simply parroting the gossip of others, and furthering the false narrative about the Holy Father. Anything but actual rational analysis and interacting with different points of view. I’m sick to death of it by now ...

Most of the trumped-up, pseudo-controversies come down to:

1) mere style,

2) genre,

3) rhetorical devices in response to others.

The misinterpretations come from reading him out of context and not taking into account #1-3 above...

I was already dissenting against what is likely to be in his encyclical about global warning even before it was published (which is perfectly fine because it’s not a “faith and morals” issue). That alone puts the lie to the cynical characterization that I never disagree with anything the pope writes or says. In the past I’ve disagreed with popes (to some extent) on capital punishment.

I like this pope and feel good about his personality not because I “have” to but because he is a likable and cool guy! Period. I have defended him against bum raps, and every time I set out to examine the latest supposed “controversy” I have found that it was ultimately groundless. I can’t change what my experience has been . . .

I mock stupidity where it is found. If people want to want to run down the pope, it is quite appropriate for me to run down dumb and stupid (and inexcusable) reasons for misinterpreting what the pope says. All people had to do in this case was read the transcript in context and then cease the idiotic comments for a change. Of course people will be offended if they hold a view that I characterize as “stupid.” That’s to be expected. It doesn’t follow that I don’t call a spade a spade. I didn’t take this job to win a popularity contest.

I’ve written a book and a bunch of papers giving defenses of Pope Francis. They are there to serve Catholics. if someone is troubled, they should give my papers a shot. I’ve done the hard work (and am taking arrows as usual), and I see thousands of people who can’t even give the pope the courtesy of reading a paragraph to get the entire context of what he said.

Someone asked me: “Is any criticism allowed without being called stupid?”

Yes, of course: if it is a thoughtful, rational criticism made with full knowledge of what the thing is in the first place, that is being blasted. You guys in effect call the pope stupid over and over, as if he doesn’t know basic theology or the slightest thing about being a good pastor. Many today lecture him like some snot-nosed child. Yet if I call you out on it and use some strong (but absolutely justified) language I am Attila the Hun and Vlad the Impaler.

What is stupid is (for whoever does this) to not read a paragraph, to make any attempt to understand the basic point that the pope is making before lashing out at him in public, with many people making fools of themselves. That is STUPID: S, T, U, P, I, D. It is on the level of basic interpretation of words, and (far more tragically) in terms of spreading a scandal that is no scandal at all: making Catholics look totally ridiculous, as if we can’t read. (the Washington Post is STUPID)

What I call “dumb and stupid” is this particular practice of not even reading properly, and then going out and saying asinine things about the Holy Father. It has to stop, and soon. If people don’t protest against it it will continue to get worse. It’s way out of hand already. The “rabbits” fiasco is perhaps the most ridiculous I’ve seen yet: in a long string of these ludicrous tempests in a teapot. The devil is laughing so hard over the stupidity of Catholics doing this again and again, that he must be crying and wetting his pants (if he wears them). It’s one of the most ingenious plots he has devised yet, to divide Catholics and make us look ridiculous to the world.

I was specifically referring to lashing out about the “rabbits” comment without even understanding the perfectly legitimate, orthodox, Catholic point that the pope was making. My words which had to do with the pope being taken out of context over and over, are themselves now being taken out of context (the same error repeated) [i.e., in the original Facebook thread], thus dramatically helping to prove my point. Critics of the pope need to read and think a lot better than they have been doing. It’s pathetic.

The only way to objectively approach the matter (given the “pro” and “con” views out there) is to grapple with defenses of what he says, such as what I do: on a case-by-case basis: to actually discuss the thing and not merely mouth the objection that the pope supposedly has perpetual foot-in-the-mouth disease.

Here’s where I wrote about it:

Replies to Critiques of Pope Francis
Pope Francis Defended: Resources for Confused or Troubled Folks [223 articles from others]
Does Pope Francis Have "Foot-in-the-Mouth" Disease?

 

[Matthias]

What’s the endgame for this, Protestants?

What’s the endgame for this, Catholics?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Then explain why your best scholars and ministers are converting to the Catholic Church.

I do not believe that a born again person would revert back to cold dead ritualistic religion. Especially Catholicism.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That's a nasty thing to say because redemptive suffering is absent from your system.

The theological truths about suffering are not absent from the non-Catholic churches. Suffering being able to redeem a soul is what is absent from non-Catholic theologies. Only the blood of Christ has that power. Only the blood of Christ can wash away sin guilt. Mortal, flawed, fallen blood can not do that. That's why Jesus had to come to earth. Otherwise we all could just pay our own sin debt in our own blood.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Col. 1:24 – Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ’s sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord’s suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.

Phil. 1:29 – for the sake of Christ we are not only to believe in Him but also to suffer for His sake. Growing in holiness requires more than having faith in God and accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. We must also willfully embrace the suffering that befalls us as part of God’s plan. Thus, Christ does not want our faith alone, but our faith in action which includes faith in suffering.

Matt. 10:38 – Jesus said, “he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.” Jesus defines discipleship as one’s willingness to suffer with Him. Being a disciple of Jesus not only means having faith in Him, but offering our sufferings to the Father as He did.

Matt. 16:24; Mark 8:34 – Jesus said, “if any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” Jesus wants us to empty ourselves so that God can fill us. When we suffer, we can choose to seek consolation in God and become closer to Jesus.

Luke 9:23 – Jesus says we must take up this cross daily. He requires us to join our daily temporal sacrifices (pain, inconvenience, worry) with His eternal sacrifice.

Luke 14:27 – Jesus said, “whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.” If we reject God because we suffer, we fail to apply the graces that Jesus won for us by His suffering.

John 7:39 – Jesus was first glorified on the cross, not just the resurrection. This text refers to John 19:34, when Jesus was pierced on the cross by the soldier’s lance.

John 12:24 – unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone and bears no fruit. Jesus is teaching that suffering and death are part of every human life, and it is only through suffering and death that we obtain the glory of resurrection.

1 Cor. 1:23- Paul preaches a Christ crucified, not just risen. Catholic spirituality focuses on the sacrifice of Christ which is the only means to the resurrection. This is why Catholic churches have crucifixes with the corpus of Jesus affixed to them. Many Protestant churches no longer display the corpus of Jesus (only an empty cross). Thus, they only preach a Christ risen, not crucified.

1 Cor. 2:2 – Paul preaches Jesus Christ and Him crucified. While the cross was the scandal of scandals, and is viewed by the non-Christian eye as defeat, Catholic spirituality has always exalted the paradox of the cross as the true tree of life and our means to salvation.

2 Cor. 1:5-7- if we share abundantly in Christ’s sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort as well. If we unite our sufferings with His, we will be comforted by Him.

2 Cor. 4:10 – Paul writes that we always carry in the body the death of Jesus so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. Christ has allowed room in His Body for our sufferings, and our sufferings allow room for Christ to bring us to life.

2 Cor. 4:11 – while we live we are always being given up to death for Jesus’ sake so that His life may be manifested in our flesh. This proves the Catholic position that our sufferings on earth are united with Jesus in order to bring about Jesus’ life in us.

2 Cor. 12:9-10 – Jesus’ grace is sufficient, for His power is made perfect in weakness. If we are weak, we are strong in Christ. Our self-sufficiency decreases, so Christ in us can increase.

Suffering is one of God's useful tools to cleanse the behavior of his people (people who ALREADY belong to him in salvation). Suffering is a useful evangelistic tool that God uses to demonstrate the gospel to others. But suffering in no way whatsoever MAKES you a born again child of God. That's happens entirely by being forgiven your sin and receiving the Holy Spirit in conversion when you first believe the gospel. You suffer BECAUSE you are a child of God, not in order to become one.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Jesuits are the militant branch of the Roman Catholic Church. They were set in place to crush Protestantism....by any means!

I know. Which is why his historic appointment is ever more curious.
I do wonder how it correlates to the great reset.

Another thought re: the great reset.
What if the Roman Catholic church is the beast of prophecy?

 

[EloyCraft]

No, the only blood that has redemptive power is Christ's blood. Your blood and mine could not redeem a flea. It's worthless toward that end. That's why God had to provide the pure blood of Jesus to redeem mankind.

From where does the blood of Christ flow? His soul? His divinity? If what you believe is true Paul wouldn't have taught that we are members of His Body. He would teach what you do and not even include us. But he did. He even taught that he is suffering to make up for Christ's

Show me where it says Paul's suffering pays for the sins of people.

Paul never said that. If you believe that is a logical conclusion drawn from Catholic teaching on Christian suffering. You do need to remove that log obstructing your view. It's a huge bias you cultivate by allowing prejudice to reign aver truth ' inside you'.
Gnostics were the wolves in sheep's clothing who taught that the Apostles witness of seeing, touching and knowing God 'was not a witness greater in authority than their own witness of God found ' inside.
Same argument you present and for the same reasons..

2 Thess 2-10
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Notice, its not that Gods salvation wasn't revealed to them, it's that they had no love for truth having a faith built on believing God is found inside not outside.. They rejected the superior witness of God Incarnate rather than admitting the reception inherent in a voice heard internally.

The Gnostics rejected the Apostles witness back then, believing their internal witness of God gave them equal authority..
Their beliefs back then is like your's now, that being, they loved the voice they heard from within them over the truth they heard from the apostles outside them selves.

 

[Illuminator]

I know. Which is why his historic appointment is ever more curious.
I do wonder how it correlates to the great reset.

Another thought re: the great reset.
What if the Roman Catholic church is the beast of prophecy?

If you fall for that lie, you will fall for anything. The lies of Dave Hunt and the lies of the Seventh Day Adventists have much in common. Many Christian book store buyers stopped stocking such books. Scholarly Protestant Bible colleges no longer teach that garbage. No historian will jeopardize their credentials by writing treatises containing falsehoods, they must be peer reviewed. You can find lots of wanna-be-preachers on youtube with fake degrees and a fancy video program. They appeal to the ignorant who are predisposed to bigotry.

Hunt-ing the Whore of Babylon: Part I
Hunt-ing the Whore of Babylon: Part II
Is the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon?

 

[amigo de christo]

What’s the endgame for this, Protestants?

What’s the endgame for this, Catholics?

A one world religoin that bows to a one world govt . THAT IS THE END RESULT
or in other words a religion that bows before the dragon and the beast . We must resist it and preach the truth .

 

[amigo de christo]

Suffering is one of God's useful tools to cleanse the behavior of his people (people who ALREADY belong to him in salvation). Suffering is a useful evangelistic tool that God uses to demonstrate the gospel to others. But suffering in no way whatsoever MAKES you a born again child of God. That's happens entirely by being forgiven your sin and receiving the Holy Spirit in conversion when you first believe the gospel. You suffer BECAUSE you are a child of God, not in order to become one.

correct my friend . And suffering can draw us closer to GOD to Christ . The LORD is in control . LET all that has breath praise and thank the LORD
and always remember , NOT ONLY has it been given unto us to BELIEVE ON CHRIST BUT ALSO TO SUFFER FOR HIS NAME SAKE . YEP .
NO fear of man nor what he can do . The true believers have all HOPE for our HOPE IS IN CHRIST . Now let all
that has breath praise and thank the glorious Lord .

 

[Wrangler]

Spotting heretics is easy.

1st, by definition, a heretic is one who holds beliefs you don't. Everyone is fighting to assert theirs is the standard belief by which everyone else is to be compared - and deemed a nasty sounding word, 'heretic,' if they don't align.

Christian history does not inspire unbelievers that we are not a bunch of hypocrites. As soon as one group gets political power over another, they deem the other heretics and the persecutions begin.

The persecutions both leveled against the Jewish people are also noticed by the unbelievers. In discussions such as this, I often think of Roman 14:1, 13 and Jam 4:11-12.

Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong ... So let’s stop condemning each other. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not cause another believer to stumble and fall.

Don’t speak evil against each other, dear brothers and sisters. If you criticize and judge each other, then you are criticizing and judging God’s law. But your job is to obey the law, not to judge whether it applies to you.12 God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge your neighbor?​

 

[Illuminator]

Spotting heretics is easy.

1st, by definition, a heretic is one who holds beliefs you don't. Everyone is fighting to assert theirs is the standard belief by which everyone else is to be compared - and deemed a nasty sounding word, 'heretic,' if they don't align.

We hold to a different definition of heresy; an obstinate post baptismal denial of a revealed truth. Under that definition, one must be a Catholic before they can be a real heretic.
The Great Heresies

Christian history does not inspire unbelievers that we are not a bunch of hypocrites. As soon as one group gets political power over another, they deem the other heretics and the persecutions begin.

It should be a rule that if a person is going to assert a historical "fact", it should be backed up with primary or secondary sources. That is rarely done in this forum, so anybody can assert any kind of biased feel-good whopper and pass it off as "history", and wield it as a bat to beat someone they disagree with. "slaughtering of millions" is an example. Sources are never given by such forum thugs.

The persecutions both leveled against the Jewish people are also noticed by the unbelievers. In discussions such as this, I often think of Roman 14:1, 13 and Jam 4:11-12.

Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong ... So let’s stop condemning each other. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not cause another believer to stumble and fall.

Don’t speak evil against each other, dear brothers and sisters. If you criticize and judge each other, then you are criticizing and judging God’s law. But your job is to obey the law, not to judge whether it applies to you.12 God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge your neighbor?​

Good point. Persecutions against Jews is sinful, no matter by whom or when.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.
​

Nostra aetate paragraph 4.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

If you fall for that lie, you will fall for anything. The lies of Dave Hunt and the lies of the Seventh Day Adventists have much in common. Many Christian book store buyers stopped stocking such books. Scholarly Protestant Bible colleges no longer teach that garbage. No historian will jeopardize their credentials by writing treatises containing falsehoods, they must be peer reviewed. You can find lots of wanna-be-preachers on youtube with fake degrees and a fancy video program. They appeal to the ignorant who are predisposed to bigotry.

Hunt-ing the Whore of Babylon: Part I
Hunt-ing the Whore of Babylon: Part II
Is the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon?

Peer reviewed? You may wish to do a bit of study on that as
well.
How Reliable Is Peer Review?

If it's the plans to reset America's political and social culture and the world that you imagine a myth', using ''climate changed as the fulcrum, you also need to study more.
You might not think The Hill is credible but they provide a launching point to study on your own.

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-...ens-devotion-to-radical-great-reset-movement/


One order for the world is a plan. When power brokers brag of this pay attention.
One aspect of resetting this planet is to address the crisis of over population. We are too many. We tax the resources over much.

Like Hitler before them and his great commission to reset the world to the Aryan ideal, so too is the contemporary powers thinking the same thing.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I think the Gnostics afforded an interesting proposal regarding the creator.

Being a higher power,consciousness, God created everything to work as designed.(intelligent design)
And then left.

Because that higher power did not require lesser beings for its worship or to please it with their behaviors.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

He even taught that he is suffering to make up for Christ's

Yes, but not in regard to redemption but in regard to the perfecting of the behavior and character of all the members of the body of Christ. Christ was made perfect in obedience through suffering, and so are we.

10In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist, to make the authord of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11For both the One who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are of the same family." Hebrews 2:10-11​

As you can see the author is referring to sanctification, not justification. Jesus responded perfectly and without sin to the chastisement of his suffering. Us? Not so much. But, still, we are being sanctified through suffering, too, nonetheless. Just not for the purpose of redeeming our own souls. I would never even consider placing my own blood along side Christ's on the altar of redemption. And that is why it was necessary for believers to separate themselves from the corruption of the Catholic church and it's beliefs. Once the leaven works through the whole batch there's really nothing you can do with it except cast it away. But we can see the leaven working it's way through the non-Catholic churches too. The ONLY batch that the leaven can't overcome is the body of true believers dispersed throughout all the various man-made religious organizations of the world. And the true, born again believers who aren't a part of any religious organization.

 

[Philip James]

One aspect of resetting this planet is to address the crisis of over population. We are too many. We tax the resources over much.

Yes, at its core , the 'climate change' crisis and its 'solutions' are anti-human and antichrist

Pax et Bonum