I s'pose those who read these posts will make up their own minds!You asked how I understood your post. Now, to avoid the rules violations here, you're resorting to a ridiculous tactic so to call me a liar.
There's something wrong with you.
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I s'pose those who read these posts will make up their own minds!You asked how I understood your post. Now, to avoid the rules violations here, you're resorting to a ridiculous tactic so to call me a liar.
There's something wrong with you.
Those referred to in verse 8 are the non-Elect.The Bible says right there in the verse that the names were not written there at any point from the time of the foundation of the world. Not sure how you're missing that.
Revelation 17:8
Being a Sabbath Day Keeper
By exalting yourself over other believers for being a Sabbath Day Keeper when you are really not? You had said you do not keep it perfectly.
Believers shall know other Christians by our faith in Jesus Christ; not for keeping the sabbath. Jews do that.
Who is "erasing" this commandment? Just as Jesus showed us the real spiritual significance of the Ten Commandments in the Sermon on the Mount, He also showed us the real spiritual significance of the Sabbath in the Lord's Day ("the morrow after the Sabbath")-- a day for (a) worship, (b) rest, and (c) good works. John said "I was IN THE SPIRIT on the Lord's Day" and Jesus said that they who worship must worship in Spirit and in truth. Do you see the connection? It is not the numerical day of the week but the PURPOSE of that one day that matters to God. Thus we read "Upon the FIRST DAY of the week..." in the NT....you will never erase the Commandment...
The Bible says right there in the verse that the names were not written there at any point from the time of the foundation of the world. Not sure how you're missing that.
Revelation 17:8
The Bible says right there in the verse that the names were not written there at any point from the time of the foundation of the world. Not sure how you're missing that.
Revelation 17:8
The fourth commandment tells us in Exodus 20:8-11
We are to remember it as a memorial to God being the Creator.
It asks us to Remember. It is not a prohibition and there is nothing ceremonial about it.
as I said Enoch, you can do any gymnastics you like and none of them will change one jot or title of God's finger written ten.Who is "erasing" this commandment? Just as Jesus showed us the real spiritual significance of the Ten Commandments in the Sermon on the Mount, He also showed us the real spiritual significance of the Sabbath in the Lord's Day ("the morrow after the Sabbath")-- a day for (a) worship, (b) rest, and (c) good works. John said "I was IN THE SPIRIT on the Lord's Day" and Jesus said that they who worship must worship in Spirit and in truth. Do you see the connection? It is not the numerical day of the week but the PURPOSE of that one day that matters to God. Thus we read "Upon the FIRST DAY of the week..." in the NT.
Now notice that Paul did not meet with the Christians in Troas on the Sabbath day, but upon the first day of the week (to worship, to break bread in the Lord's Supper, and to preach to the congregation).
And there accompanied him into Asia Sopater of Berea; and of the Thessalonians, Aristarchus and Secundus; and Gaius of Derbe, and Timotheus; and of Asia, Tychicus and Trophimus. These going before tarried for us at Troas. And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together. (Acts 20:4-8)
By then, it had become the practice of all Christians to worship on the Lord's Day -- the first day of the week -- the day on which Christ rose from the dead and was worshipped by His apostles. The day on which Thomas declared "My Lord, and my God!" The day on which the Day of Pentecost occurred, the Holy Spirit was poured out, and 3,000 souls were added to the Church.
Showing you what is in the Bible is not gymnastics. But you are having to do mental gymnastics to avoid the significance of what is posted from Scripture. Paul could have met the Christians on the 7th day Sabbath, but instead he met them on the first day of the week. Which totally demolishes the position of Sabbatarians.as I said Enoch, you can do any gymnastics you like and none of them will change one jot or title of God's finger written ten.
That's a false implication against eternal life in Christ.Revelation 20:12 shows other books, beside the Book of Life. That's where all mankind's names are.
It should be obvious that OSAS is false, and not an assurance that you can do whatever and God HAS TO accept His "elect." If God just saves His elect then names could not be removed. Right?
We can assemble yourselves any time in any way we want, which incidentally the 4th commandment has nothing to say about. It does however make it unshakeably clear that we are to remember the 7th day ....and it gives the reasons. If you don't like them or the day for that matter you need to take it up with God....but as far as instruction goes and its reason, the Commandment is crystal clear.But we don't need a DAY anymore, seeing as the Word is the Creator, and Jesus is the Word, so He, the Creator is on the INSIDE. We don't need an OUTSIDE reminder.
The Old Covenant keeping of one day a week is the LETTER of the law. Jesus inside us as the Spirit of Christ is the SPIRIT of the law.
As long as you recognize that Jesus has to be inside us, making us born again, it doesn't matter what day of the week you would like to assemble yourselves together. But don't make a LAW out of it and impose it on others who are free from sin, AND the law.
oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.....meeting up with people and having communion with them whenever does not constitute a reason to forget The 7th day and your highlighted words only adds to the foolishness of your argumentShowing you what is in the Bible is not gymnastics. But you are having to do mental gymnastics to avoid the significance of what is posted from Scripture. Paul could have met the Christians on the 7th day Sabbath, but instead he met them on the first day of the week. Which totally demolishes the position of Sabbatarians.
Anti-OSAS , Sabbath, proponents want to impose their beliefs on others.But we don't need a DAY anymore, seeing as the Word is the Creator, and Jesus is the Word, so He, the Creator is on the INSIDE. We don't need an OUTSIDE reminder.
The Old Covenant keeping of one day a week is the LETTER of the law. Jesus inside us as the Spirit of Christ is the SPIRIT of the law.
As long as you recognize that Jesus has to be inside us, making us born again, it doesn't matter what day of the week you would like to assemble yourselves together. But don't make a LAW out of it and impose it on others who are free from sin, AND the law.
Stop being so defensive. I'm not going to mock anyone for keeping a sabbath day per the law of Moses. You posted James 2:10 and I sincerely don't know why.I'm not sure there's any point in answering these questions that seem to be thinly-veiled mockery.
Yes, I know that! That's why I'm perplexed about you posting James 2:10!You know that I don't equate ceremonial law with moral law, and you know that I include all ten commandments in that designation.
That's not the argument. There are 10 Commandments in the 10 Commandments. The argument is the 4th commandment now gets kept in the new relaxed Sunday way. Another argument is the 4th simply doesn't have to be literally kept anymore because we have been brought near to God in sabbath rest through Christ. Just as all we draw near to God through Christ regarding animal sacrifice for sin, Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, etc.I can't understand how folks can rationalize that for 1900 years, Christians had the number of commandments all wrong. Can you? Straight answer, no dodgery, please, if you're going to give one.
I know that I'm reading Galatians 5:23 correctly, and not you, by this:How can you not see that is not what the text is saying at all?
There is no law against exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit, but there is a law against Sabbath-breaking. Since Sabbath-breaking is not one of the fruits of the Spirit. Does the text say resting in Jesus as spiritual Sabbath-keeping is a fruit of the Spirit? No. Then, by your logic, "spiritual Sabbath-keeping" is against God's law. Commence twisting.
Right.Those referred to in verse 8 are the non-Elect.
I don't think anyone needs to practice to sin. Even when we practice not sinning, as Paul said, we fail.That's a false implication against eternal life in Christ.
Eternal irrevocable salvation is biblical. What is not biblical is detractors stating eternal salvation means believers can do whatever they like and remain saved.
And I'll tell you, eternally saved, OSAS , Christians know that!
1 John 3
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
No, they probably, like me, are thinking of something more like 'we do the best we can, and ask for forgiveness as Jesus said (those who never sin would need no forgiving), even many many times as necessary. Being saved is not a license to pretend we never sin and are better than others!A realistic conclusion to arrive at because the detractors ruse is antithetical to the Gospel itself.
They argue, salvation=a license to sin.
Hmm. I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but you bring up an interesting point in the books.Revelation 20:12 shows other books, beside the Book of Life. That's where all mankind's names are.
It should be obvious that OSAS is false, and not an assurance that you can do whatever and God HAS TO accept His "elect." If God just saves His elect then names could not be removed. Right?
I'll be as defensive as I want to be.Stop being so defensive.
You posted James 2:10 and I sincerely don't know why.
You don't have to disavow the law entirely to be in violation of James 2:10.You should be happy to see I'm not one of those who disavow the law entirely.
FB, the argument is always whatever kind of theological parkour you want it to be.That's not the argument.
The Lord's Day is used only once in all of scripture. Revelation 1:10 - Using the Bible to define itself, we go to Isaiah 58:13 to find out what Day that is referring to.Who is "erasing" this commandment? Just as Jesus showed us the real spiritual significance of the Ten Commandments in the Sermon on the Mount, He also showed us the real spiritual significance of the Sabbath in the Lord's Day ("the morrow after the Sabbath")-- a day for (a) worship, (b) rest, and (c) good works. John said "I was IN THE SPIRIT on the Lord's Day" and Jesus said that they who worship must worship in Spirit and in truth. Do you see the connection? It is not the numerical day of the week but the PURPOSE of that one day that matters to God. Thus we read "Upon the FIRST DAY of the week..." in the NT.
Now notice that Paul did not meet with the Christians in Troas on the Sabbath day, but upon the first day of the week (to worship, to break bread in the Lord's Supper, and to preach to the congregation).
And there accompanied him into Asia Sopater of Berea; and of the Thessalonians, Aristarchus and Secundus; and Gaius of Derbe, and Timotheus; and of Asia, Tychicus and Trophimus. These going before tarried for us at Troas. And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together. (Acts 20:4-8)
By then, it had become the practice of all Christians to worship on the Lord's Day -- the first day of the week -- the day on which Christ rose from the dead and was worshipped by His apostles. The day on which Thomas declared "My Lord, and my God!" The day on which the Day of Pentecost occurred, the Holy Spirit was poured out, and 3,000 souls were added to the Church.