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He tried. No one ever did it. Not you. Not Paul. Living in obedience to the law does not mean that Paul was successful but that he tried the best he could. Paul never said he never, for example, lusted. He said it was the law that showed him it was lust.Paul, in no uncertain terms, kept the entire Law. All 10 Commandments on a regular basis. Period..
I would say that I know a lot more about the laws in the Torah than you do.Spiritual laws? What's that?
Anyway, it would fall under MORAL.
Criminal law falls under CIVIL.
Dietary laws fall under CEREMONIAL.
Sacrifices falls under CEREMONIAL.
Do you know about the different types of laws in the O.T.?
I don't need to rationalize keeping the 10 Commandments. It's the default position. Do you feel that you need to rationalize not keeping them? The new antinomian position is almost entirely a construct of late-20th century America. I witnessed the whole thing. I heard people say that the ten commandments were nailed to the cross. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. My father said he never in his life heard such a thing. He raised me Southern Baptist.It wouldn't be enough in a particular case....
Those that observe the Sabbath say that there are 10 commandments and not 9.
That makes sense and it would certainly seem like those that do not are not observing one of God's 10 commandments.
UNLESS
God's 10 commandments are also called the Moral Law.
The O.T. also speaks of Ceremonial Law and Civil Law.
IF observing the Sabbath is a CEREMONIAL Law, then there would, indeed, be only 9 Moral Commandments.
The Moral Law is the only Law that will always be in effect...the civil and ceremonial have either been abolished or have changed in form.
So, working 7 days a week and Thou Shalt Not Kill doesn't work.
God said to do it also doesn't really work.
Do you also observe all the other 612 commandments?
Any particular reason you skipped this part?He tried. No one ever did it. Not you. Not Paul. Living in obedience to the law does not mean that Paul was successful but that he tried the best he could. Paul never said he never, for example, lusted. He said it was the law that showed him it was lust.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
The law convicts us about how bad we are and shows us that we need Jesus.
10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. !!
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Of course the law is holy and good. Too bad you aren't quite so good yet though. God is good. There are none righteous, no not one. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.Any particular reason you skipped this part?
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Because Jesus saves us the law is no longer death to us.13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Please sustain your claim with credible evidence. Thanks.Well the Geneva Bible can only take credit for a small part of the fracturing of Christ's Church, but the KJV was the primary Bible in use during the confusion that caused all these denominations.
His mother spent a veritable fortune hunting the world for "relics".I agree 100%, Roman Emperor Constantine changed the Sabbath day to Sunday, and made Sunday the day of rest "Law" in the Roman empire
Constatine is the father of Roman Catholicism, he donated the land (Vatican City) and he built St Peter's Basilica creating the (State Church) that he controlled
Emperor Constatine is the father of (Sun)day observance a fact
Too bad the law of sin and death isn't the ten commandments. Why did you leave vs. 11-13 out of your quote if they're so easy to explain away by just saying "Jesus saves?" Why is the Bible always wrong because, after all, "Jesus saves?"Of course the law is holy and good. Too bad you aren't quite so good yet though. God is good. There are none righteous, no not one. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Because Jesus saves us the law is no longer death to us.
Rom 8:because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Too bad the law brings death because no one could keep it. That is why Jesus died for us. No, the law is not some law of death. That is, if we could keep it. Since no one ever did, that is why we need Jesus.Too bad the law of sin and death isn't the ten commandments. Why did you leave vs. 11-13 out of your quote if they're so easy to explain away by just saying "Jesus saves?" Why is the Bible always wrong because, after all, "Jesus saves?"
Isaiah 5:20 KJV: Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!Too bad the law brings death because no one could keep it. That is why Jesus died for us. No, the law is not some law of death. That is, if we could keep it. Since no one ever did, that is why we need Jesus.
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Romans 7:5 explains Paul’s focus on the Law as leading to sin and death: “For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death.” In contrast, the “way” or law of the Spirit is noted in Romans 7:6: “But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.” The Law itself is not sinful (Romans 7:7). However, the Law defined sin and stirred up our natural rebellion against God’s rules, resulting in sin and death.
Romans 7:10–11 speaks of how sin, death, and the Law are connected: “I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.” This death refers to spiritual separation from God. Shackled by our depraved nature, we naturally opposed the Law, and we found that God’s life-giving Word served only to sentence us to death. It is because of this that Paul can refer to the Law as the “law of sin and death.”
The conclusion of Romans 7 shows the need of the gospel to deliver us from the consequences of sin under the Law:"
What is the law of sin and death (Romans 8:2)? | GotQuestions.org
What she means is this matter of working in the field and building of God has nothing to do with a person working to save themselves. The saved person is saved. They will be saved. Paul is saying it's a matter of whether or not you're going to show up at the resurrection alone with no one to show for your labor in the field and building of God, or whether some of your 'work' is going to come with you. The people you successfully minister to in this life will be your reward on the other side. That's why Paul says we should be careful how we build. You don't want to show up with no one to show for your labor for God here on earth. There's no reward for that.OK,tks
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
If saved has nothing to do with salvation, what would it have to do with?
Please sustain your claim with credible evidence. Thanks.
What????Love God and your neighbor is not law.
The debt of the law, including the Ten Commandments got nailed to the cross and marked 'paid in full'.I heard people say that the ten commandments were nailed to the cross.
He's pulling your leg.What????
Come on, Barn, you're smarter than that!
I guess not.What????
Come on, Barn, you're smarter than that!