The False One Who Makes the 7 Year Covenant of Daniel 9

[Truth7t7]

It was the angel of God who told Daniel that the time allotted to his people was 70 weeks (meaning times) in the midst of which Messiah would be cut off. Which is a small image of all days and times from the first Adam to the Last (Daniel's people)--that is the seven days of creation, including all times.

Sure, Big Smiles!

 

[Truth7t7]

"A time, times, and half a time" then is not actually about the times of this world, but rather about how the events of God are revealed in the shadows to those whose eyes become open to "all truth", "but each in his own order." Hence the enigma. "A Time" then, is all time; "times" is the time before Messiah, and the time after; and "half a time" is the "dividing of the light from the darkness"...which is "determined" for "Daniel's people"--that is, those following the first Adam, and also the Last.

Sure, More Big Smiles!

More Metaphysical Gobbly Goop!

 

[Davy]

That's the WHOLE POINT, its two different Abominations. Ever hear of Hanukkah ?

There you go again with false Judaizer theories against the Daniel 11 "vile person" prophecy.

Those who KEEP God's Word as written don't need a bunch of old out-dated commentaries to understand that the "vile person" prophecy in Daniel 11 is about a FINAL ANTICHRIST FOR THE VERY END OF THIS WORLD.

Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
KJV

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs (Greek pseudo-Christos meaning a singular false-Christ), and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

That above warning Jesus gave is about a SINGULAR FALSE-CHRIST. The Greek word for "false Christs" there is pseudo-Christos, made up from TWO Greek words -- pseudo meaning false, and christos which means Christ, singular. Verses 23 and 26 are SINGULAR TENSE also, to show that very singular ANTICHRIST context for the end of this world.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 tells us that "man of sin" MUST come first prior to Christ's future coming and cause a great falling away. It also reveals that "man of sin" will work those wonders and signs, like that Matthew 24:24 verse also warns. And Paul there also reveals that "man of sin" will sit in the temple of God, meaning a NEW stone temple to be built in Jerusalem BY DECEIVED JEWS AT THE END OF THIS WORLD. Then that "man of sin" will exalt himself as GOD over all that is called GOD, or that is worshiped, which is per the Daniel 11:36 Scripture about the VILE PERSON.

THUS THE "VILE PERSON" OF THE DANIEL 11 PROPHECY IS ABOUT... THE FINAL ANTICHRIST THAT IS TO COME AT THE VERY END OF THIS WORLD PRIOR TO CHRIST'S COMING TO GATHER HIS CHURCH.

 

[Truth7t7]

THUS THE "VILE PERSON" OF THE DANIEL 11 PROPHECY IS ABOUT... THE FINAL ANTICHRIST THAT IS TO COME AT THE VERY END OF THIS WORLD PRIOR TO CHRIST'S COMING TO GATHER HIS CHURCH.

I Agree 100%

 

[Davy]

So, what were the Old English translators trying to say when they said Confirm? They were saying he is going to strong arm all participants into a deal he confirms or ORDERS FORTH, in an insolent manner. He will basically say its my way or the highway to Israel. In other words. if you want to be a part of the E.U. you have to give up your Nukes. He will threaten to cut off all trade between Israel and the E.U.

What the Daniel 9:27 establishing of a 'covenant' is about is SIMPLY EXPLAINED IN THE DANIEL 11 SCRIPTURE OF WHAT THE "VILE PERSON" DOES...

Dan 11:21-23
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
KJV

That "small people" is about a small group of orthodox JEWS in Jerusalem that will make that "league" with the coming Antichrist for the end, that "vile person". That is what the 'confirming' of the "covenant" in Daniel 9:27 is about.



Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

That "covenant" (Hebrew beriyth) is the "holy covenant" of the Daniel 11 chapter which the "vile person" sets up with the "small people" (small group of orthodox JEWS in Jerusalem). The "holy covenant" in Daniel 11 is Hebrew qodesh beriyth, which is pointing DIRECTLY TO THE ESTABLISHING OF THE OLD COVENANT FOR THE END OF THIS WORLD. That is what the "league" of Daniel 11:23 is about, AND what the confirming of the "covenant" of Daniel 9:27 is about.

That coming Antichrist, the "vile person", will establish that "holy covenant" for ONE WEEK. Why only one week like Daniel 9:27 says? Because that "vile person", the Antichrist for the END, comes 7 years PRIOR TO CHRIST'S FUTURE RETURN (per the order given in Daniel and Christ's Olivet discourse, and in Christ's Book of Revelation). Yet, in the middle... of that 7 years, the Antichrist will END THE JEW'S SACRIFICES IN JERUSALEM, AND INSTEAD WILL PLACE THE "image of the beast" IDOL INSIDE THE JEW'S NEW TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM. Then the latter half of that 7 years, will be the time of "great tribulation" that Lord Jesus warned His faithful Church about (Matthew 24:15-28).



Dan 11:28
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
KJV

That "vile person" above, the FINAL ANTICHRIST FOR THE END OF THIS WORLD, will be against that "holy covenant", i.e., the reestablished old covenant in Jerusalem for the END.



Dan 11:30
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
KJV

Not only will that FINAL ANTICHRIST personally hate that "holy covenant", but also those FALSE JEWS in Jerusalem allied with him will also forsake that "holy covenant".

(Now if someone reading those Scriptures can't figure out that "holy covenant" is NOT ABOUT THE CONFIRMING OF SOME POLITICAL PACT, BUT IS ABOUT THE OLD COVENANT WORSHIP SYSTEM REESTABLISHED INSTEAD, then you are not paying attention in the Daniel Scriptures.)



Dan 11:31-32
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
KJV

That above is the very "abomination of desolation" prophecy for the END OF THIS WORLD that Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse SIGNS, of Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14.

It is obvious that GOD made that word "league" (chabar) in Daniel 11 to be different than the word "covenant" (beriyth) by itself in Daniel 9:27. It is because Daniel 11 mentions the "holy covenant" (qodesh beriyth) which points directly to the old covenant worship that the Jews in Daniel's day were still under from God. So you can't have the word 'covenant' for how Daniel 9:27 uses it, like a political accord or pact, and conflict with the "holy covenant" (old covenant worship) in Daniel 11.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Thanks for the guffaw.

The grammatical referent/antecedent of "he" is...?

Hint: Not antichrist. Not a little horn. Not a bighorn.

Messiah gets the last laugh.

The he is obvious. The passage had no verses nor chapters, if it were to be divided, the three verses should be two verses. SEE BELOW:

Dan. 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks(49 YEARS), and threescore and two weeks(434 YEARS): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times(49 years). 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off(Jesus DIES after 434 years), but not for himself:

{{ So, 49 + 434 = 483 years which leaves one week or 7 years left, not 3.5 years }}

and the people(Romans/E.U.) of the prince that shall come(Anti-Christ/Little Horn at the End Times) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary(Jerusalem & the Temple in 70 AD); and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined(Diaspora). 27 And he (prince that shall come with a small p) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week(Final 7 years of the Prophecy to bring Israel unto Repentance): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease(from afar he pressures the Jewish High Priest/False Prophet), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate(HE defiles the Tempe), even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (Until Jesus returns and has made up his mind the time of the 70th week is finished).

The HE is the Anti-Christ to come, 2500 years AFTER the Prophecy and 2000 years after Jesus death.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

What the Daniel 9:27 establishing of a 'covenant' is about is SIMPLY EXPLAINED IN THE DANIEL 11 SCRIPTURE OF WHAT THE "VILE PERSON" DOES...

Not only to you not understand the prophecy, but you refuse to acknowledge the facts I have presented that destroy your invalid points, I am not going to debate you further, its a waste of time when you will not even admit verse 21 was about him coming to the throne in Greece via peace. Then that verse 22 is about Israel, then that the SMALL ARMY in verse 23 is about Egypt. Nothing you say has any congruent thought processes to it at all. You are all over the place.

You are making yourself look very amateurish on prophecy. Its evident you nit only were not called unto Prophecy, but you have no idea how it works.

That "covenant" (Hebrew beriyth) is the "holy covenant" of the Daniel 11 chapter which the "vile person" sets up with the "small people" (small group of orthodox JEWS in Jerusalem). The "holy covenant" in Daniel 11 is Hebrew qodesh beriyth, which is pointing DIRECTLY TO THE ESTABLISHING OF THE OLD COVENANT FOR THE END OF THIS WORLD. That is what the "league" of Daniel 11:23 is about, AND what the confirming of the "covenant" of Daniel 9:27 is about.

Covenant in Hebrew means AGREEMENT, this just shows your thought process via prophecy doesn't work correctly at all. It is inly a Holy Covenant when it involves God. If you and I made an "AGREENRENT" in English would y say it has to be an HOLY AGREEMENT? LOL, no of course not. It astounds me how little you understand about prophecy tbh. You can't get away from words that have been used having to always mean the same thing.

I am finished, live in your own fantasy world.

 

[ScottA]

Sure, More Big Smiles!

More Metaphysical Gobbly Goop!

God is spirit, and no matter what you call the things of God that are beyond your comprehension, you are in for a big surprise. Weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Jay Ross]

From the Hebrew:

1396 [e]
wə·hiḡ·bîr
And he shall confirm

No Little Horn, no insolent, no make, no change, no times, no Law.

Simply he, Messiah the Prince, who confirms, causing to prevail, the New Covenant in His Blood at Calvary (Matthew 26:28).

Ah, your understanding will give you good standing before men, Satan and his cohorts.

Oh well, all is not lost yet, you are in good company.

 

[Jay Ross]

God is spirit, and no matter what you can the things of God that are beyond your comprehension, you are in for a big surprise. Weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Ah! ScottA, you too will get to see his demise as you watch him next to you in the same place.

For such a small-minded person you try and pack a big punch that in no way would tear a paper ribbon so that it could freely flap in the breeze.

 

[ScottA]

Ah! ScottA, you too will get to see his demise as you watch him next to you in the same place.

For such a small-minded person you try and pack a big punch that in no way would tear a paper ribbon so that it could freely flap in the breeze.

“You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him; for you are a youth, and he a man of war from his youth.”​

​

Perhaps you would like to keep your pompous words for your epitaph. Therefore, I have quoted them.

 

[Jay Ross]

“You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him; for you are a youth, and he a man of war from his youth.”​

​

Perhaps you would like to keep your pompous words for your epitaph. Therefore, I have quoted them.

So then, you are Goliath, and I should not oppose you. Oh well, you know who you are then.

 

[ScottA]

So then, you are Goliath, and I should not oppose you. Oh well, you know who you are then.

Read it again...and then compare it with what you wrote of me.

 

[covenantee]

Ah, your understanding will give you good standing before men, Satan and his cohorts.

Oh well, all is not lost yet, you are in good company.

No one has better standing before men, Satan and his cohorts than he who declares that Christ is antichrist.

 

[covenantee]

The he is obvious. The passage had no verses nor chapters, if it were to be divided, the three verses should be two verses. SEE BELOW:

Dan. 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks(49 YEARS), and threescore and two weeks(434 YEARS): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times(49 years). 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off(Jesus DIES after 434 years), but not for himself:

{{ So, 49 + 434 = 483 years which leaves one week or 7 years left, not 3.5 years }}

and the people(Romans/E.U.) of the prince that shall come(Anti-Christ/Little Horn at the End Times) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary(Jerusalem & the Temple in 70 AD); and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined(Diaspora). 27 And he (prince that shall come with a small p) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week(Final 7 years of the Prophecy to bring Israel unto Repentance): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease(from afar he pressures the Jewish High Priest/False Prophet), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate(HE defiles the Tempe), even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (Until Jesus returns and has made up his mind the time of the 70th week is finished).

The HE is the Anti-Christ to come, 2500 years AFTER the Prophecy and 2000 years after Jesus death.

Yes, the "he" is obvious; he is Messiah.

There is no Anti-Christ in Daniel 9 or anywhere in the OT. The word does not exist in OT Hebrew or Aramaic.

The small "p" prince prophesied to come in Daniel 9:26 is the same small "p" prince who had come in
Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

He confirmed His New Covenant with many (Matthew 26:28) for the one 70th week, and caused sacrifice and oblation to cease (Hebrews 10:18) in the midst of the week at Calvary, and made Jerusalem and Judea desolate through the abominations of His instruments of judgment and destruction, the Roman armies (Matthew 24:15; Luke 21:20).

His Mind was made up 2,000 years ago, and the results were and are indisputable for the world to see ever since.

"HE" is Messiah, of whom grammar, Scripture, history, and the overwhelming consensus of more than 17 centuries of orthodox Christianity, testify.

 

[rwb]

Daniel 9:27 is pointing to the Anti-Christ/Satan and not the Messiah as is suggested in the quote above.

It is understanding the context that is important to understand. Too many Christians want to put/place Christ into many prophecies where the key figure in the Prophecy is Satan or one of his cohorts, instead.

The context shows us that Daniel's prophecy is of Messiah the Prince that shall come, and shall be cut off, and is the same prince of the people that shall come. Just because the translators did not capitalize prince the second time does not change the definition of the word. Messiah the Prince is the same Prince of the people that shall come. The people of Messiah the Prince that shall come are the Jews, who are responsible for destroying the city and sanctuary through spiritual adultery and abomination. The spiritual Kingdom of God, which the Holy City and Temple of old represented, according to Christ had already been taken from them, and their house already become desolate. This is long before the literal destruction that would come in 70 AD. It is Messiah the Prince that confirms the Covenant for one week, and He who in the midst of the week causes sacrifice and oblation to cease. It was continuing to offer up sacrifices and oblations after the cross and resurrection that made them utterly abominable before God.

Da 9:25-27 (KJV) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matthew 21:42-46 (KJV) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

Matthew 23:37-38 (KJV) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Luke 1:68-69 (KJV) Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

Luke 1:71-73 (KJV) That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Yes, the "he" is obvious; he is Messiah.

Clueless.

 

[covenantee]

Clueless.

Scripture?

 

[Davy]

Not only to you not understand the prophecy, but you refuse to acknowledge the facts I have presented that destroy your invalid points, I am not going to debate you further, its a waste of time when you will not even admit verse 21 was about him coming to the throne in Greece via peace. Then that verse 22 is about Israel, then that the SMALL ARMY in verse 23 is about Egypt. Nothing you say has any congruent thought processes to it at all. You are all over the place.

You are making yourself look very amateurish on prophecy. Its evident you nit only were not called unto Prophecy, but you have no idea how it works.


Covenant in Hebrew means AGREEMENT, this just shows your thought process via prophecy doesn't work correctly at all. It is inly a Holy Covenant when it involves God. If you and I made an "AGREENRENT" in English would y say it has to be an HOLY AGREEMENT? LOL, no of course not. It astounds me how little you understand about prophecy tbh. You can't get away from words that have been used having to always mean the same thing.

I am finished, live in your own fantasy world.

You don't have any facts that supports YOUR view, simply because YOUR view is NOT keeping to the Daniel Scripture. You only mention a verse from Daniel, and then immediately 'try' to insert... a false history! And you 'try'... to use Bible commentaries to support your false view.

But all I... need do, is quote Lord Jesus in His Olivet discourse where He quoted from Daniel 11:31 about the "abomination of desolation" IDOL to be setup inside a Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end of this world. Thusly, anyone with enough common sense will understand Jesus was pointing to the final Antichrist in Jerusalem for the 'end' of this world as that "vile person" that places that abomination that causes desolation of the temple, per Daniel 11:31.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

You don't have any facts that supports YOUR view, simply because YOUR view is NOT keeping to the Daniel Scripture. You only mention a verse from Daniel, and then immediately 'try' to insert... a false history! And you 'try'... to use Bible commentaries to support your false view.

But all I... need do, is quote Lord Jesus in His Olivet discourse where He quoted from Daniel 11:31 about the "abomination of desolation" IDOL to be setup inside a Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end of this world. Thusly, anyone with enough common sense will understand Jesus was pointing to the final Antichrist in Jerusalem for the 'end' of this world as that "vile person" that places that abomination that causes desolation of the temple, per Daniel 11:31.

Ignorance is bliss. I will be proven correct, you will be proven to be in error, the holy spirit not to debate a brick wall. We answer for all our errors at a later time, your list will be long on prophecy, you are not called to prophecy.