When your understanding is built on a very small error, no matter which side of the argument you prescribe too, the fact of the matter is that every utterance after the acceptance of that small establishing error causes everything that follows from us to be in error as well. Nobody is immunised from this disease of first error in their postings.
The False One Who Makes the 7 Year Covenant of Daniel 9
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When your understanding is built on a very small error, no matter which side of the argument you prescribe too, the fact of the matter is that every utterance after the acceptance of that small establishing error causes everything that follows from us to be in error as well. Nobody is immunised from this disease of first error in their postings.
Timtofly
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They used confirm, because God strengthens the Atonement Covenant at the most abominable time on earth.
God in His longsuffering allows those gleanings left after the final harvest, to find grace. Of course the decision on the human level is the choice between taking the mark or cutting off one's head.
Once Jesus allows Satan to occupy the throne is when this happens:
"the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
Just like God allowed Adam to disobey, which brought sin into the world. So it will be when Jesus hands Jerusalem to Satan. No one wants to read it that way, but that is how Revelation portrays the week of the 7th Trumpet. No where in Revelation are you going to find a seven year peace treaty, so trying to force that on the text, is as bad a choice as Amil with Revelation 20.
Ronald D Milam
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You have no clue about Prophecy, people like you are beginning to annoy me tbh. I have decided some peope are not reachable on God's truths, they are brick walks. I do not waste my time trying to discuss things further with brick walks.
Its not even debatable, anyone that cant understand Prophecy surly doesnpt need to try and teach it.
God's Word is written in simplicity by The Holy Spirit. Those who leave... that simplicity will only go into babel.
Apostle John in 1 John 2:18 was pointing to TWO "antichrist" subjects. Below I show them in red and green...
1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV
That first phrase in 'red' is about a SINGULAR ANTICHRIST. That phrase is singular in tense. This singular "antichrist" is the pseudo-Christ that is to come to Jerusalem and cause the "abomination of desolation" IDOL per Christ's Olivet discourse. This is the "man of sin" of Paul's 2 Thess.2 warnings for the end. In both Scripture examples, that false-Messiah is to work great signs and wonders on earth to deceive the whole world. That one is coming to PLAY Lord Jesus Christ.
The second phrase in 'green' is about the "many antichrists" which are followers who serve The Antichrist. Those are about Paul's "mystery of iniquity" that is already at work per 2 Thess.2. These have been at work since Old Testament times. That's why Paul and John both would point to these already being at work.
No, not ALL... of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 are about Messiah.
The final "one week" of Daniel 9:27, which is the 70th week, IS NOT ABOUT MESSIAH.
At the end of the 69th week per Daniel 9, Messiah was "cut off".
That left fulfillment of the final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 to be some time in the future.
The Daniel 9:27 events of a false one coming to end the daily sacrifice in Jerusalem, and setup an IDOL ABOMINATION IN A STANDING TEMPLE THERE, is HARD-LINKED to the "vile person" prophecy in the Daniel 11 Chapter (as I have shown within this very Thread).
Thus men's FALSE doctrine that tries to say Lord Jesus' Ministry completed the 70th week ("one week" of Dan.9:27), is HYPOCRISY, and against Christ Jesus and The Word of God!
So you have some SECRET TEACHING that isn't given there in The Bible??
No, I assure others here with common sense that you have no 'secret teaching' about this matter!
All one with common sense need do is break down the 1 John 2:18 passage as it is written, meaning STAY with what it actually says as written. That's the 1st requirement, and it's easy. The second requirement is for The Holy Spirit to reveal WHERE ELSE that "antichrist" applies in God's Word, for THAT IS WHAT GOD REQUIRES WE DO TO GET UNDERSTANDING IN HIS WORD, I.E., HAVE AT LEAST TWO WITNESSES!
So where's you're other BIBLE WITNESS to the proper interpretation of that 1 John 2:18 "antichrist" idea? YOU have none because you simply SPOUTED A DOCTRINE FROM MEN YOU HAVE HEARD, OR BEEN WRONGLY TAUGHT!
Yet I gave MORE THAN ONE BIBLE SCRIPTURE witness of that 1 John 2:18 verse.
jeffweeder
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The 70 weeks are all about the Messiah.
24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem),
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God),
to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and
to anoint the Most Holy Place.
25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years];
Only 1 sacrifice is in view and that is Messiah's in the 70th week
Jesus arrives AFTER 69 weeks to start his ministry of reconciliation.
So It is clear that 70 weeks are decreed for Messiah to complete this work in v24, by not only arriving after 69 weeks but to also complete the 70 weeks by atoning for sin etc through the shedding of his own blood and therefore establishing his blood of the New Cov...,
Heb 9
11 But when Christ appeared as a High Priest of the good things to come [that is, true spiritual worship], He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not a part of this [material] creation. 12 He went once for all into the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies of heaven, into the presence of God], and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, having obtained and secured eternal redemption [that is, the salvation of all who personally believe in Him as Savior]. 13 For if the sprinkling of [ceremonially] defiled persons with the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a [burnt] heifer is sufficient for the cleansing of the body, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal [Holy] Spirit willingly offered Himself unblemished [that is, without moral or spiritual imperfection as a sacrifice] to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works and lifeless observances to serve the ever living God?
15 For this reason He is the Mediator and Negotiator of a new covenant [that is, an entirely new agreement uniting God and man], so that those who have been called [by God] may receive [the fulfillment of] the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has taken place [as the payment] which redeems them from the sins committed under the obsolete first covenant.
but now once for all at the consummation of the ages He has appeared and been publicly manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.
There's no secret teaching, it's right there in the open but many people won't understand it.
Matthew 13:14
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
In other words, the Bible and its teachings won't make sense to you unless you understand that God is in everyone, including you, in this very moment. Yes you. And also me, and also everyone you love and hate. Not knowing this is how you end up with doctrinal contradictions like an all-loving God who causes eternal conscious torment.
1 Corinthians 3
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
The Bible specifies what is meant to be interpreted not physically, but spiritually:
Mark 4
9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Another example of a clearly symbolic passage using the same words:
Revelation 2:17
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’
Here is what Jesus says about the end days:
Matthew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
In other words, it's not some literal temple with a literal evil high priest; take the stoppers out of your ears, he is talking about you, the reader. Singular YOU. Your sins will be revealed.
Ronald D Milam
Active Member
THATS YOU TO TEE, you have no clue at all about Prophecy. I destroyed every point you made and your pride refuses to admit the facts. Everyone knows t History of the Greeks, LOL, except you. 5th graders could understand this stuff man, when shown the parameters.
As I stated, I do not waste my time on intrinsic brick walls. We can chat about salvation et. etc. but never again about Eschatology, PERIOD. Anyone who can't understand the history of the Greeks which is an open history book, can't discuss eschatology with me. Not having it. I'll remember your name.
No, they are not.
Dan 9:25-26
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
KJV
1st Period -- "seven weeks" = 49 years; from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem was from 454 B.C. ("twentieth year of Artaxeres") to 405 B.C.
2nd Period -- "threescore and two weeks" = 434 years; from 405 B.C. to the time of Messiah's 1st coming 29 A.D. At the end of this period Messiah was "cut off". This is all that is pointing to Messiah.
3rd Period -- the Dan.9:27 "one week" = 7 YEARS.
Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV
That 27th verse HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MESSIAH. It is about the false one of Daniel 11 that places the "abomination that maketh desolate". That is about the "abomination of desolation" warning Jesus gave His faithful for the end of this world just prior to His future coming.
That is easy. Someone has bewitched you.
There's no secret teaching, it's right there in the open but many people won't understand it.
Matthew 13:14
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
In other words, the Bible and its teachings won't make sense to you unless you understand that God is in everyone, including you, in this very moment. Yes you. And also me, and also everyone you love and hate. Not knowing this is how you end up with doctrinal contradictions like an all-loving God who causes eternal conscious torment.
1 Corinthians 3
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
The Bible specifies what is meant to be interpreted not physically, but spiritually:
Mark 4
9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Another example of a clearly symbolic passage using the same words:
Revelation 2:17
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’
Here is what Jesus says about the end days:
Matthew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
In other words, it's not some literal temple with a literal evil high priest; take the stoppers out of your ears, he is talking about you, the reader. Singular YOU. Your sins will be revealed.
May God rebuke you.
You well know... the subject of discussion is about the "antichrist" label from Apostle John in 1 John 2:18. And now you think you can try... and lecture me on the eyes to see and ears to hear idea? Well I will LECTURE YOU, you white-washed wall, YOU don't have even regular eyes to see, and ears to hear, because you CANNOT EVEN STAY WITH THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURE!
And one MUST learn to READ the letters on the page before they can understand any Message from The HOLY SPIRIT!
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Woo-hoo Hulla-baloo! What a grand MOUTHFULL OF NOTHING BUT HOT AIR!!
That could probably fill up a huge balloon and make it stay afloat a long.............................................. time!
The Light
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What he said is actually just a stupid attempt at attacking one's credibility WITHOUT having to actual back himself up in The Scriptures. So what he said has about as much weight as if Mickey Mouse said it.
The Light
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I think his point was an excellent one.
Take what you are saying for instance. You make an error and then build everything you say around it. It never occurs to you that there is a beast of the earth and beast of the sea. You quote Revelation 11 as being about "The" Antichrist. You confuse the "prince of the covenant" with "The" Antichrist. So if what you are saying is true, how is it that the person in Daniel 11 comes to his end BEFORE the great tribulation?
Daneil 11
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
So if the antichrist dies BEFORE the great tribulation, how is he cast alive into the lake of fire?
Revelation 19
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
It's pretty apparent that you are unaware of who the Antichrist is.
The Light
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Learning is very limited when you run every time your beliefs are challenged. Try using scripture to support your beliefs as your beliefs should be what the scripture says and not what you have incorrectly concluded, brother.
It seems to me that what I had posted is applicable for many people. If you do not suffer from the first error syndrome in your postings, then why are you objecting to what I had stated. This problem is applicable to every argument, whether secular or religious. Why do you think that the religious discussions have immunity from this problem? Is it because you believe that you are perfect in all of your understandings of a religious nature? I know that I have made small errors that have taken me down roads that I should not have travelled. How about you?
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