The Mark of the Beast...

[Jack]

I agree with you about this, so this gives us some common ground that we can reason through. You seem like a reasonable person. I'm willing to discuss this respectfully with you if that interests you, unlike another person who came here looking for a fight while misrepresenting people and calling them names.

Must be a JEALOUS Israel hating wannabee. Sounds like it.

 

[Jack]

When someone has no reading comprehension skills, I suppose there's nothing you can do to get them to understand what you're actually saying.

That definitely sounds like a JEALOUS Israel wannabee!

God bless Israel in their Land of the Bible! And He will!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh WOW, an Israel wannabee defending an Israel wannabee. Who would believe it!

Are you offended by my username, big guy? I'm defending him because you are misrepresenting his beliefs despite being corrected multiple times. You claim that he said someone can have the mark of the beast and be saved and he has explicitly said that he does not believe that. Yet, you still try to claim he's saying that, anyway. As if you somehow know what he believes and he doesn't. This shows that you either are a liar or you have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever. Which is it?

 

[Jericho]

Satan worshipers have repented and been saved the bible clearly states that unrepentance is the only unforgivable sin thus unrepentant devotion to the beast is the symbolic mark of the beast.

A Satan worshiper can change his mind, true, but taking the mark of the beast is something clearly unique. I don't believe they will be capable of repenting any more than Satan and his fallen angels can. Whether it's because they can't or they won't, the end result is still the same. Some spiritual lines once crossed can't be uncrossed. In any case, I sure wouldn't want to be the one to put your theory to the test.

The bible doesn't say they have to worship to get it.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

I think it can be inferred from Scripture that the Mark of the Beast is tied to worshipping the Beast. They are often mentioned together as to be synonymous:

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Must be a JEALOUS Israel hating wannabee. Sounds like it.

I don't hate Israel at all. Your childish slander only makes you look like a fool. If that's your goal, then, by all means, continue proving to everyone how foolish you are.

 

[Jack]

Are you offended by my username, big guy? I'm defending him because you are misrepresenting his beliefs despite being corrected multiple times. You claim that he said someone can have the mark of the beast and be saved and he has explicitly said that he does not believe that. Yet, you still try to claim he's saying that, anyway. As if you somehow know what he believes and he doesn't. This shows that you either are a liar or you have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever. Which is it?

I'm not a JEALOUS Israel wannabee. I don't lie.

 

[Jack]

I don't hate Israel at all.

Israel in the Land of the Bible?

Your childish slander only makes you look like a fool. If that's your goal, then, by all means, continue proving to everyone how foolish you are.

As I said, I'm not a jealous Israel wannabee.

God of Israel (Jesus) bless Israel in the Land of the Bible! And He will, again and again!

Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

 

[Marty fox]

When someone has no reading comprehension skills, I suppose there's nothing you can do to get them to understand what you're actually saying.

Yep, I actually post sometimes for other people reading the thread. I know when you can't get through to certain people, they close their minds and can't reason or ever change their view through pride

 

[Jack]

Yep, I actually post sometimes for other people reading the thread. I know when you can't get through to certain people, they close their minds and can't reason or ever change their view through pride

Yep, that's Israel wannabees for sure! They must TOOT their own horns or nobody would ever notice them. They're too busy watching Israel in the Land of the Bible, in International news nearly every day!

God of Israel (Jesus) bless Israel in the Land of the Bible! And He will, again and again!

Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm not a JEALOUS Israel wannabee. I don't lie.

You lied about marty claiming that someone can have the mark of the beast and be saved. He never said that or implied that. Instead, he said that they are unrepentant and not saved.

 

[Jack]

You lied about marty claiming that someone can have the mark of the beast and be saved. He never said that or implied that. Instead, he said that they are unrepentant and not saved.

I quoted him. Are you saying he lied?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Israel in the Land of the Bible?

Yes. Why would I hate them? I want them, and all people, to be saved just as God does (1 Timothy 2:3-6). Is salvation what is important to you or land?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I quoted him. Are you saying he lied?

Your understanding of what he said was false. You misread what he said. And beyond what he said there, he also explicitly said in other posts that he does NOT believe that someone can have the mark of the beast and be saved. So, why claim that he does believe that? He does not. This isn't hard.

 

[Jack]

Yes. Why would I hate them?

Jealousy!

I want them, and all people, to be saved just as God does (1 Timothy 2:3-6). Is salvation what is important to you or land?

And they will after God cleans His House!

Romans 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

 

[Jack]

Your understanding of what he said was false. You misread what he said. And beyond what he said there, he also explicitly said in other posts that he does NOT believe that someone can have the mark of the beast and be saved. So, why claim that he does believe that? He does not. This isn't hard.

Oh my! A jealous wannabee defending another jealous wannabee. Who would have believed it?

 

[Marty fox]

A Satan worshiper can change his mind, true, but taking the mark of the beast is something clearly unique. I don't believe they will be capable of repenting any more than Satan and his fallen angels can. Whether it's because they can't or they won't, the end result is still the same. Some spiritual lines once crossed can't be uncrossed. In any case, I sure wouldn't want to be the one to put your theory to the test.



I think it can be inferred from Scripture that the Mark of the Beast is tied to worshipping the Beast. They are often mentioned together as to be synonymous:

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

Yes I agree that you can't repent of taking the mark but we differ in what the mark actually is. Scripture contradicts itself (and we all know that scripture can't contradict itself) if its a literal mark or just worship of the beast.

I have no problem if its just says that they won't repent but it actually says that they can't repent. If they can't repent then salvation is about what we did not what Christ did.

The message of the scrpiture proves that the mark is symbolic for unrepent devotion to the beast.

 

[Jack]

The message of the scrpiture proves that the mark is symbolic for unrepent devotion to the beast.

Keep that right hand nice and clean Marty. Or is your hand "symbolic" too?

 

[Marty fox]

You lied about marty claiming that someone can have the mark of the beast and be saved. He never said that or implied that. Instead, he said that they are unrepentant and not saved.

Thank you for your support but he's not listening. I think its time to stop indulging him

 

[Jack]

Thank you for your support but he's not listening. I think its time to stop indulging him

There may be hope for you Marty if you forsake the Israel wannabees.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jealousy!

I'm not jealous of Israel and don't hate them at all. Your attempts to slander the character of those who disagree with your end times doctrine is pathetic and shows extreme immaturity on your part. You need to repent of your slander.

And they will after God cleans His House!

Romans 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

Do you believe that He wants all of Israel right now to be saved? I do. Yet, you wickedly claim that I hate them. You have nothing to offer besides evil slander.