The Rapture Lie

[n2thelight]

Being clear,I don't believe in a rapture at all,but I think this may help some.....Whatever happens,we will if living,go through the tribulationj....

The Rapture Vs. The Second Coming?

Those who believe in a Pre-tribulation Rapture insist that it takes place at a separate time from the second coming of Jesus. The following is quoted from an article by Pastor Tim Warner…

“Pre-tribulationists pick out a certain detail from a known post-trib passage, like Matthew 24, then compare it to a rapture passage from the Epistles, which may not mention this particular detail, and conclude that they are two separate comings. But just because a certain element is not mentioned in a given rapture passage, does not mean it does not exist. If we used the same logic on the four Gospels, we would have to conclude that there were four separate Jesus Christs, and forty eight disciples, minus, of course, the four Judas Iscariots! Each of the Gospel accounts is different; each adds certain details, while leaving out others, but never in conflict. Only when we combine all four accounts, do we get a complete picture. The same is true of the rapture passages.

When we test the pre-trib logic, by comparing the two best known rapture passages, we find differences. For example, 1 Thessalonians 4 mentions the Lord descending from heaven, the shout, the voice of the archangel, the "catching up" of the saints, and clouds. None of these things are found in 1 Corinthians 15. On the other hand, 1 Corinthians 15 mentions the dead saints receiving resurrected bodies, while this is not found in 1 Thessalonians 4.

Using pre-trib logic, we would conclude that there will be two raptures, at one we will be "caught up;" at the other we will receive new bodies! Their logic cannot be sustained consistently. In fact, 1 Thessalonians 4 has far more in common with Matthew 24 than it does with 1 Corinthians 15!...

The entire pre-trib approach is illogical. Instead of trying to isolate passages based upon the absence of a particular detail, we should merge them based upon their common details. If all of the elements of two descriptions of the second coming can be integrated, without conflict, we can conclude that they are the same event. When we use this approach, we find many similarities between Jesus' descriptions of His coming after the tribulation, with Paul's descriptions of the rapture found in the epistles. When these accounts are merged, we have a complete picture of the second coming of Jesus Christ. [5]

Which in a nutshell is…. The last trumpet sounds, Christ returns with those Christians that have already died, who then are the first to receive their resurrected bodies (the dead shall be raised incorruptible). After which those that are still alive are also changed, then caught up with the previous group to meet the Lord in the air…

 

[jerryjohnson]

Fivesense:



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This "HE" has been the subject of debate.

There is no doubt Paul is speaking of the Chruch here. He starts off talking about the Church as a whole being with the Lord.

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

We are the What in that verse, and we are in the way. ...

Sorry, but “the Church” is not a “He” It is never referred to by a male pronoun. The word “Church” is from ékklētos and is a feminine noun.

The “He” in John 16:8, is the Holy Spirit, follow the subject, rightly divide.

We are the What in that verse, and we are in the way…

Again, NO! The subject of 2Th 2:1-12, is the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the deception that is coming FIRST. Who is HOLDING THE DECEIVER in his place? Again, rightly divide or you will be lost.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

 

[HammerStone]

I hate to remove this topic because regardless of the insults, there is a good core discussion here. I'll leave it for now, but please refrain from dirtying the thread with the insults and other comments.

Thanks!

 

[bbyrd009]

ya!

 

[Taken]

OP ~ "The Rapture is a Lie"

Christina ~

Totally disagree with your assessment.

Rapture means in simple terms to take something quickly.

When the Lord ACTS, He ACTS QUICKLY!
His Word IS QUICK.
Heb 4:12

When the Lord descends from Heaven...He descends From Heaven "TO" the clouds.

It is while He is IN THE CLOUDS, He shall call UP TO Him.....Dead bodies and Living bodies of those WHO ARE "IN" Christ, and "HIS Spirit IN THEM".


THAT IS A GRAND EVENT Saved souls, Born again spirits of men ARE WAITING FOR ....
"THEIR" glorified bodies!!
THESE PEOPLE "ARE SEALED"....and NOT appointed to suffer the WRATH of God.
Rom 5:9
Eph 4:30

That EVENT occurs NEITHER IN HEAVEN or ON THE EARTH. It is clearly revealed THAT EVENT Occurs IN THE AIR of THE CLOUDS.
1 Thes 4:17

The ONE WORLD SATANIC RULER, will have been REVEALED already. He does not come into world power" with a BANG of ruthlessness. His platform shall be "peace and safety"....and already that is spreading world wide....peace and safety FOR MEN, "BY" men....the LIE!!
1 Thes 5:13

The Chaos and Falling AWAY from faith in God will be wide spread, (like it is already beginning now). The wars and and natural disasters, will continue to increase, (like it is already beginning now).

The Satanic Ruler, will be revealed with a PLATFORM of "WORLD PEACE". Nations Leaders will round table in their diplomacy advocacy....and convince the people it is the only solution to "save" the world.

Once the nations are convinced and agree...the Satianic Rule will be in charge of the World's Army's and the people will be either WITH "him" or AGAINST "him". Because as you should know, "he mimics the Lord".....

You talked about running for the Hills, escaping "his" strong hold.......

But you neglected to consider....the JEWS.
The JEWS believe IN GOD, and they BELIEVE in the Word of God......they simply DO NOT BELIEVE Jesus IS the Word of God, or THEE Christ. THEY are neither saved or born again.
John 3:36

THEY SHALL have to escape receiving Satan's MARK. And IF they can not run and hide, they SHALL be Killed, as will anyone who REFUSES Satan's MARK.

You should have discovered God has not forgotten them. They shall suffer the predescribed events, then about the opening of the 5th seal, during the great tribulation, their bodies are killed, and their souls together become saved and redeemed up to heaven.
Rev 6:9
Rev 7:14

Those who have hidden, Shall be ministered to VIA the 144,000, BELIEVE, and repopulate the earth with mortals for 1.000 years.

Jesus' earthy Kingdom will be revealed and "HIS SEALED saints who were RAPTURED", WILL BE WITH HIM, IN HIS KINGDOM....

In opposition to your teaching.....YES the Lord shall descend from Heaven to the Cloulds and Rapture, TAKE, CALL UP to Him...
Those WHO ARE SEALED, "BECAUSE" they ARE "IN" Christ. They ARE PRECISELY WHOM He prepared, and SHALL TAKE QUICKLY!

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Willie T]

Although I firmly believe those who think there will be an "escape pod" Rapture are totally barking up the wrong tree, why does believing in that have to be a "lie?" It is not really much different than the wishful thinking of children about Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. It seems to make no difference in their lives. Some say "They won't try hard to save others".......... Well, few of us do much of that anyway.

 

[Truth7t7]

Although I firmly believe those who think there will be an "escape pod" Rapture are totally barking up the wrong tree, why does believing in that have to be a "lie?" It is not really much different than the wishful thinking of children about Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. It seems to make no difference in their lives. Some say "They won't try hard to save others".......... Well, few of us do much of that anyway.

Pretty hard to share sin and repentance to salvation, when there are many in the church that don't believe homosexuality, fornication, or adultery, are biblical sins any longer.

To mention these biblical facts, puts the God fearing christian in a corner of political correctness and criticism.

I guess we are seeing the great apostasy before our very eyes.

2 Timothy 4:3KJV
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[Willie T]

Pretty hard to share sin and repentance to salvation, when there are many in the church that don't believe homosexuality, fornication, or adultery, are biblical sins any longer.

To mention these biblical facts, puts the God fearing christian in a corner of political correctness and criticism.

I guess we are seeing the great apostasy before our very eyes.

2 Timothy 4:3KJV
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

And that proves, one way or another, that believing in a "Rapture" somehow constitutes a lie..... how? Personally, I see belief in a "Rapture" as just one more belief someone got wrong..... as ALL of us do about SOME part of Scripture.

 

[Heb 13:8]

And that proves, one way or another, that believing in a "Rapture" somehow constitutes a lie..... how? Personally, I see belief in a "Rapture" as just one more belief someone got wrong..... as ALL of us do about SOME part of Scripture.

If you don't see the rapture in 1 Thess 4:17 and Rev 12:5, then what do you see in these passages.

 

[Willie T]

If you don't see the rapture in 1 Thess 4:17 and Rev 12:5, then what do you see in these passages.

You can believe in anything you feel like. I am simply defending the fact that you should not be known as believing in a lie because of that understanding.

 

[Heb 13:8]

You can believe in anything you feel like. I am simply defending the fact that you should not be known as believing in a lie because of that understanding.

But why is it a lie, because I heard it from Willie.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Well hello everyone...wow....lot of striving against one another....in humbleness and love I want to express IMHO that the more focus that is taught about the rapture whether pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib really is taking away from the rest of the Word that states He comes like a thief in the night....to be ready at any moment....and like jiggyfly stated it isn't relevant to him insomuch that the only important thing is that we remain steadfast and worthy....that we have become His Bride, His Church.....walking in the fullness of truth...in one mind and one accord in the unity of faith.....
It's pretty obvious there isn't unity of faith in one mind and one accord here....sigh...BUT the Holy Spirit is working on that! Hallelujah...He is going to bring revelation knowledge and truth to the body of Christ....yay!!!! Come Holy Spirit!
I love you guys....
Blessings in Christ

 

[Taken]

1 Thes 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath,
BUT to obtain Salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.

For those WHO HAVE obtained Salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ ARE forever WITH the Lord.

Curious how some do not recognize the Lord is separating Himself and "His" people FROM the Earth, WHILE the anti-Christ IS given a short while to RULE the Earth.

Curious how some do not recognize the parallel, of .... SEPARATION .... ---->

The Baptism of Earth with Water (flood), and Noah the faithful was raised ABOVE the destruction UPON the Earth....

And so to the prophecy ...

The Baptism of the Earth with Fire, and the Faithful shall be raised ABOVE the destruction UPON the Earth.

Where was Noah?

Gen 7:13
....the FACE of the waters.

Where shall the Saved be?

1 Thes 4:
.....CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord IN THE AIR...

Luke 17:26
And as it was in the days of Noe, SO SHALL it be also in the days of the Son of man.

Noah REMAINED ABOVE the destruction of the Earth for a period of time.....SO SHALL the Saved REMAIN ABOVE the destruction of the Earth for a period of time.

Mankind has become corrupt, so also has mankind's habitat (earth) become corrupt...

Both the man and earth, are destroyed and cleansed and purified THROUGH
'water' AND 'fire'.
Matt 3:11

If a man IS accomplished being Baptized WITH "FIRE"..... Why would he then be left ON EARTH to experience the EARTHS Purification with FIRE?

Noah, the SAVED was lifted ABOVE the Water....and SO ALSO does Scripture teach the SAVED SHALL be CAUGHT UP ABOVE the Fire.

Seek the Lord for Understanding.
Ask and ye shall receive.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[rockytopva]

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. - Revelation 15:16

 

[quietthinker]

Being clear,I don't believe in a rapture at all,but I think this may help some.....Whatever happens,we will if living,go through the tribulationj....

The Rapture Vs. The Second Coming?

Those who believe in a Pre-tribulation Rapture insist that it takes place at a separate time from the second coming of Jesus. The following is quoted from an article by Pastor Tim Warner…

“Pre-tribulationists pick out a certain detail from a known post-trib passage, like Matthew 24, then compare it to a rapture passage from the Epistles, which may not mention this particular detail, and conclude that they are two separate comings. But just because a certain element is not mentioned in a given rapture passage, does not mean it does not exist. If we used the same logic on the four Gospels, we would have to conclude that there were four separate Jesus Christs, and forty eight disciples, minus, of course, the four Judas Iscariots! Each of the Gospel accounts is different; each adds certain details, while leaving out others, but never in conflict. Only when we combine all four accounts, do we get a complete picture. The same is true of the rapture passages.

When we test the pre-trib logic, by comparing the two best known rapture passages, we find differences. For example, 1 Thessalonians 4 mentions the Lord descending from heaven, the shout, the voice of the archangel, the "catching up" of the saints, and clouds. None of these things are found in 1 Corinthians 15. On the other hand, 1 Corinthians 15 mentions the dead saints receiving resurrected bodies, while this is not found in 1 Thessalonians 4.

Using pre-trib logic, we would conclude that there will be two raptures, at one we will be "caught up;" at the other we will receive new bodies! Their logic cannot be sustained consistently. In fact, 1 Thessalonians 4 has far more in common with Matthew 24 than it does with 1 Corinthians 15!...

The entire pre-trib approach is illogical. Instead of trying to isolate passages based upon the absence of a particular detail, we should merge them based upon their common details. If all of the elements of two descriptions of the second coming can be integrated, without conflict, we can conclude that they are the same event. When we use this approach, we find many similarities between Jesus' descriptions of His coming after the tribulation, with Paul's descriptions of the rapture found in the epistles. When these accounts are merged, we have a complete picture of the second coming of Jesus Christ. [5]

Which in a nutshell is…. The last trumpet sounds, Christ returns with those Christians that have already died, who then are the first to receive their resurrected bodies (the dead shall be raised incorruptible). After which those that are still alive are also changed, then caught up with the previous group to meet the Lord in the air…

From the inception of the biblical story has God done anything in secret? Has he not revealed his moves regarding his plans in advance?
Jesus at his trial reiterated this sentiment. I have always spoken publicly he said and in secret done nothing.
When Jesus returns it will be the realisation of victory over death in the experience of Gods people. Nothing secretive here. I even wonder wether this event of Jesus arriving in the clouds with his angel retinue to wake the sleeping saints and change them together with the still living saints from mortality to immortality, from perishable to imperishable (the scripture repeats this twice in the text of 1 Cor. 15:53-54)

 

[quietthinker]

From the inception of the biblical story has God done anything in secret? Has he not revealed his moves regarding his plans in advance?
Jesus at his trial reiterated this sentiment. I have always spoken publicly he said and in secret done nothing.
When Jesus returns it will be the realisation of victory over death in the experience of Gods people. Nothing secretive here. I even wonder wether this event of Jesus arriving in the clouds with his angel retinue to wake the sleeping saints and change them together with the still living saints from mortality to immortality, from perishable to imperishable (the scripture repeats this twice in the text of 1 Cor. 15:53-54)

Cont....
will take time. It tells us all the tribes of the earth will mourn because they will see him. Yes, he'll be visible globally
Nothing secret here! In fact, a very public event. I imagine the wicked at that time will witness Gods people being resurrected and changed as well as caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds. And why not, this is after all the longed for event of not just all of God's people throughout history but the angels and God himself.

This is not a side show in the history of heaven let alone that of earth. This is a major event. Jesus did not come here to be publicly shamed and die and then return secretly to whisk away his people. No, this will be the grand finale of the salvation story. It is the the hope of all those who long for his appearing and the nightmare of his rejectors.

The flash referenced in 1 Cor. 15:52 is none other than the illustration Jesus used of the lightning that shines and is visible from east to west in Matt. 24:27. It is the shining that Jesus mentions here. All the people will see it.

 

[Naomi25]

Pretty hard to share sin and repentance to salvation, when there are many in the church that don't believe homosexuality, fornication, or adultery, are biblical sins any longer.

To mention these biblical facts, puts the God fearing christian in a corner of political correctness and criticism.

I guess we are seeing the great apostasy before our very eyes.

2 Timothy 4:3KJV
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I was always under the impression that the "falling away" would have to be from the actual faith, rather than just those holding some...less than accurate doctrines.
Let's face it...when it comes to periphery issues: last days, gifts of the spirit, church hierarchy, Christian living, ministry, creation....there are a lot of different views within the Church.
I'm not saying they're not important...that's why we study them and we do form our own doctrines and gravitate to whichever we believe the bible points at. But they are not as essential as things like Salvation, Grace, the nature of God (Trinity), the Virgin birth...all those core beliefs that orthodox Christianity agrees upon. These are what the tenets of faith are built on, and I belief these are what must be "fallen away" from. Otherwise, all these other, secondary things, the Church has disagreed about since its beginning! Where is the falling away in what has always been 'fallen'? Unless we want to get uppity and start declaring that "My end times view is more holy than yours"...which I know plenty do, but I don't think that serves anyone.
No...I think what we see happening now is just the beginning of the falling away. A growing dislike within the Churches for truth. It's become relative. People are declaring that God will like what they do...homosexuality and other sexual sin. Blatant disregard for who God is and who he has revealed himself to be. The Core doctrines will begin to be attacked more and more as people fall away from them, insisting increasingly that those still within the true Church are ignorant and "unfaithful" to the "true intent" of Gods word...all the while running to the chant and sway of this world.

 

[Truth7t7]

I was always under the impression that the "falling away" would have to be from the actual faith, rather than just those holding some...less than accurate doctrines.
Let's face it...when it comes to periphery issues: last days, gifts of the spirit, church hierarchy, Christian living, ministry, creation....there are a lot of different views within the Church.
I'm not saying they're not important...that's why we study them and we do form our own doctrines and gravitate to whichever we believe the bible points at. But they are not as essential as things like Salvation, Grace, the nature of God (Trinity), the Virgin birth...all those core beliefs that orthodox Christianity agrees upon. These are what the tenets of faith are built on, and I belief these are what must be "fallen away" from. Otherwise, all these other, secondary things, the Church has disagreed about since its beginning! Where is the falling away in what has always been 'fallen'? Unless we want to get uppity and start declaring that "My end times view is more holy than yours"...which I know plenty do, but I don't think that serves anyone.
No...I think what we see happening now is just the beginning of the falling away. A growing dislike within the Churches for truth. It's become relative. People are declaring that God will like what they do...homosexuality and other sexual sin. Blatant disregard for who God is and who he has revealed himself to be. The Core doctrines will begin to be attacked more and more as people fall away from them, insisting increasingly that those still within the true Church are ignorant and "unfaithful" to the "true intent" of Gods word...all the while running to the chant and sway of this world.

The scripture below clearly shows an explanation of the true church, and apostate church, as you will see in verse 21 below,at one time thay followed righteousness.

Naomi God is coming for a church without spot or blemish.

The bible clearly speaks of this falling away from truth. Im 60, and was saved at 18, revival was in the streets of the USA, preaching on streets, parks, bumper stickers reading Jesus Is Lord, Homosexuality in the 60s, 70s was silent, let alone to be permitted and accepted in any church. The sins of Adultery and Fornication were preached against from the pulpits.

The last 20 years has seen the great apostasy, leaving the teachings of truth, on sin and repentance, Homosexuality, Adultery, Fornication are accepted in the apostate church and world.

The stage is being set before your eyes, as Russia is on Israels borders, and the worlds eyes ae focused on Jerusalem.

The man of peace, Aka The "Antichrist" is not far off, keep your eyes open.

2 Peter 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire

 

[Taken]

I was always under the impression that the "falling away" would have to be from the actual faith,

That is correct.

Faith is a GIFT from God.
Any man CAN ONLY "have" faith, WHEN God gifts the man Faith.

HOW a man "BEGINS" (and I emphasize, "BEGINS") receiving Faith, IS WHEN a "natural" man, STILL IN...unforgiven sin...
HEARS, LEARNS, FOLLOWS, BELIEVES, DOUBTS ( BUT KEEPS FOLLOWING & LEARNING).....The man continues RECEIVING "INCREASES" of the Gift of Faith from God.

UNTIL such time a MAN "CHOOSES" to GIVE his "natural" life to the Lord, THAT MAN IS IN DANGER of LOSING his FAITH.

THAT man IS StILL under his own POWER to KEEP following, KEEP believing, KEEP learning.

THE DANGER IS, man IS WEAK and easily influenced by things other than Gods Word...
Ie laziness, other people, satan's tricks, money, prestiege, position, etc.

ONCE a man "CHOOSES" from the thoughts in his own "natural" spirit (truth), in his own "natural" heart, TO GIVE his own "natural" life (blood) TO THE Lord....thereafter the man receives....ADDITIONAL PERMANENT GIFTS.... ( one such gift IS FAITH-FULLNESS), and such additional gifts are KEPT FOREVER unto the man...
"BY" the Supernatural POWER of God.

]rather than just those holding some...less than accurate doctrines.

Doctrines are not FAITH.
Doctrines are a set of principles THAT effect, establish and set the perimeters for a particular BELIEF in something.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[ScottA]

I hope you’re already starting to see that the rapture doctrine is a departure from the Word of God. There’s also been some confusion on the latter part of the verse. Who is the “man of sin” and “son of perdition” there? Perdition, Greek apoleia (Strong’s #G0684), ruin or loss. Quite clearly this son of ruin or loss is none other than Satan since he is the only one who is sealed for destruction throughout the Bible. The term revealed (Strong’s G#0601) means to take off the cover; disclose. In other words, Satan himself will be revealed to the world. This hasn’t happened yet. This finally will happen when Satan comes as the antichrist.

This assumption is also a fork in the road of truth vs. lies.

From the definition of "loss"...who are the lost? Who then are those "sealed for destruction", in other words, those who are destine to perish if not saved? Not Satan alone, but all who are born into the world. As it is written: "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." Meaning that the passage in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 pertains to one and also to many. In other words, we who are destine to perish without salvation are first born of the flesh, and then "lest we take also from the tree of life and eat" we shall not live forever.

Which all means there is no classic rapture as such (meaning as it is believed)...as well as no classic second coming - but rather, born, then born again - only. Then comes the end.