QUOTE (watchman @ Feb 27 2009, 10:34 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70012
All the rest of them were to ridiculous to give an answer to. The fact that you put some of them on your list meanss you are already to indoctrinated to listen to anyone anyway. for instance..... When you read this we are already knee deep into the tribulation when we are told to look up for our redemption draws near.Luke 2116 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.19 In your patience possess ye your souls.20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. You see when the Tribulation has started and these thing that will not happen until we are deep into the tribulation begin to take place, THEN and only then do we know our redemption is drawing near. It is impossible for anyone to get a pretrib view from this. So like I said for this verse to be on your list just shows how far off you really are.
No it says when it begins to happen...what did he mention at the beginning of these scriptures...they are already happening!All the rest of them were to ridiculous to give an answer to. The fact that you put some of them on your list meanss you are already to indoctrinated to listen to anyone anyway. for instance.....Just an excuse....because you can not reply!Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Corinthians 1:7-8) Notice that once again Paul described his first-century readers as eagerly waiting for the Lord to come back for them (and staying strong until the end). With the various mid-trib views of the Rapture, this eager anticipation is not realistic until the Antichrist desecrates the Jewish temple at the mid-point of the Tribulation, and this eager anticipation is not realistic for the post-trib view until near the end of the Tribulation. Yet Paul described the Corinthians as "eagerly waiting" for the Lord to return, and clearly Paul approved of their expectant attitude. The Lord's return for the Church was near enough to be eagerly anticipated back then, and therefore it is still near enough to be eagerly anticipated now. Only the pre-trib view of the Rapture allows for such a nearness of the Lord's return for us.
All the rest of them were to ridiculous to give an answer to. The fact that you put some of them on your list meanss you are already to indoctrinated to listen to anyone anyway. for instance..... When you read this we are already knee deep into the tribulation when we are told to look up for our redemption draws near.Luke 2116 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.19 In your patience possess ye your souls.20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. You see when the Tribulation has started and these thing that will not happen until we are deep into the tribulation begin to take place, THEN and only then do we know our redemption is drawing near. It is impossible for anyone to get a pretrib view from this. So like I said for this verse to be on your list just shows how far off you really are.
No it says when it begins to happen...what did he mention at the beginning of these scriptures...they are already happening!All the rest of them were to ridiculous to give an answer to. The fact that you put some of them on your list meanss you are already to indoctrinated to listen to anyone anyway. for instance.....Just an excuse....because you can not reply!Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Corinthians 1:7-8) Notice that once again Paul described his first-century readers as eagerly waiting for the Lord to come back for them (and staying strong until the end). With the various mid-trib views of the Rapture, this eager anticipation is not realistic until the Antichrist desecrates the Jewish temple at the mid-point of the Tribulation, and this eager anticipation is not realistic for the post-trib view until near the end of the Tribulation. Yet Paul described the Corinthians as "eagerly waiting" for the Lord to return, and clearly Paul approved of their expectant attitude. The Lord's return for the Church was near enough to be eagerly anticipated back then, and therefore it is still near enough to be eagerly anticipated now. Only the pre-trib view of the Rapture allows for such a nearness of the Lord's return for us.