The second Death.. Did you know that there was one?

[afaithfulone4u]

Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
KJV
Rev 20:4-7
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This{IN 20:4} is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
KJV
Rev 20:11-15

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
KJV

Rev 21:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
KJV

 

[day]

Yes, this is the hell that consumes, completely destroys its victims, not where they are kept alive to suffer eternal punishment. It is one more area where the Catholic Church and some Protestant churches differ. Personally, I find a hell that destroys rather than tortures more in keeping with God's attribute of Justice.

 

[Angelina]

The Second Death: Did you know there was one?

Yes... :huh: It is written in the bible. Anyone reading the bible should know that...

 

[veteran]

But there's more...

Just what KIND of death is that "second death"? What dies? Flesh? No.

The future "lake of fire" event of Rev.20 is a type of death to one's soul and spirit. That is HOW Satan and the wicked will perish, and be no more.

This is the kind of death our Lord Jesus was speaking about here...

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
(KJV)

The Greek word for "hell" there is not 'haides', it is 'geena', put for the Valley of Hinnom of the Old Testament. Christ was using the Valley of Hinnom where child sacrifices by fire were done by the wicked (Jer.19). That valley is being used as a symbol for the future Rev.20 "lake of fire" event. Notice in Rev.20:14-15 the abode called hell (haides) goes into... that "lake of fire" and is destroyed also.

So when we read the KJV word "hell", we have to be mindful to go into the Greek and discover which Greek word is being used.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

But there's more...

Just what KIND of death is that "second death"? What dies? Flesh? No.

The future "lake of fire" event of Rev.20 is a type of death to one's soul and spirit. That is HOW Satan and the wicked will perish, and be no more.

This is the kind of death our Lord Jesus was speaking about here...

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
(KJV)

The Greek word for "hell" there is not 'haides', it is 'geena', put for the Valley of Hinnom of the Old Testament. Christ was using the Valley of Hinnom where child sacrifices by fire were done by the wicked (Jer.19). That valley is being used as a symbol for the future Rev.20 "lake of fire" event. Notice in Rev.20:14-15 the abode called hell (haides) goes into... that "lake of fire" and is destroyed also.

So when we read the KJV word "hell", we have to be mindful to go into the Greek and discover which Greek word is being used.

Jesus entered hell the evening that Judas betrayed him and for 3 days and 3 nights he was going through hell!

But as for the devil who is an angel he can never die according to scripture
Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
KJV

And when I see the words FOR EVER AND EVER.. I assume it means FOR EVER AND EVER.. don't you?
Rev 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night FOR EVER AND EVER.
KJV

Yes... :huh: It is written in the bible. Anyone reading the bible should know that...

So do you believe in reincarnation? How do you expect them to die a second time?

Yes, this is the hell that consumes, completely destroys its victims, not where they are kept alive to suffer eternal punishment. It is one more area where the Catholic Church and some Protestant churches differ. Personally, I find a hell that destroys rather than tortures more in keeping with God's attribute of Justice.

Opps!

Rev 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
John was to see those things that were to come shortly (Greek) En - about . So John would see these things that were about to come.

Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
To those this letter is written to, the time is at hand (Greek) eggus - near, nigh, ready.

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
The letter was to the seven churches in Asia at the time it was written. They would be the ones to whom all these things would come to pass.

Most of the Book of Revelation is written in symbolic language. The above scriptures tell us the time frame in very plain words.

From Adam all have been born spiritually dead. The second dead is the soul. (This goes along with the fact Jesus would speak, many times, about those that sleep, instead of those that had died.

One other point: thousand (Greek) chilioi - uncertain number
In the case above the uncertain number was near, nigh, and ready.

Covered by His blood

 

[Webers_Home]

So do you believe in reincarnation? How do you expect them to die a second time?

Resurrection and Reincarnation are two very different processes.

Reincarnation isn't necessarily a return to one's human existence; but rather, a
rearrangement of the karmic matter that was once a particular individual.

Simply put, karmic matter is like the pieces and parts that go into assembling a
chariot; which when dismantled, the pieces and parts can be utilized to construct
some other conveyance; with very possibly another gender too; which means that if
Steve Jobs is back on earth as rearranged karma; then he/she just might be back as
a sea urchin, or a termite, or a fruit bat rather than a human being. He could even be
kelp spore in the Pacific ocean off the coast of San Diego, or even as E.coli 0157-H7
in the belly of a cow being fattened up with genetically engineered grain in one of
Tyson's concentrated animal feeding operations, or as an Indonesian child destined
to work for peanuts in one of Nike's offshore sweat shops making shoes and sports
apparel selling for big bucks to Chinese consumers.

In addition: reincarnation doesn't necessarily stop with one event; but is potentially
a never-ending cycle of birth, misery, and death called samsara.

Resurrection is very different. For one: it is a return to one's human existence. And
unlike reincarnation's potentially never-ending cycle of birth, misery, and death;
resurrection allots but one return per person. (Dan 12:2, John 5:29, Rev 20:5-6)

Buen Camino
/

 

[veteran]

But as for the devil who is an angel he can never die according to scripture
Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
KJV

Not how that's meant. Jesus was talking about the resurrection of the flesh born being like the state of angels, but in relation to flesh death, not the "second death". The "second death" is how even the image of the heavenly can be destroyed (Rev.20:14-15). The abode of hell is in the heavenly dimension and it is to go into the future "lake of fire". So how does the abode of hell go into that "lake of fire" if only a material object is what the "second death" is about?

 

[afaithfulone4u]

Resurrection and Reincarnation are two very different processes.

Reincarnation isn't necessarily a return to one's human existence; but rather, a
rearrangement of the karmic matter that was once a particular individual.

Simply put, karmic matter is like the pieces and parts that go into assembling a
chariot; which when dismantled, the pieces and parts can be utilized to construct
some other conveyance; with very possibly another gender too; which means that if
Steve Jobs is back on earth as rearranged karma; then he/she just might be back as
a sea urchin, or a termite, or a fruit bat rather than a human being. He could even be
kelp spore in the Pacific ocean off the coast of San Diego, or even as E.coli 0157-H7
in the belly of a cow being fattened up with genetically engineered grain in one of
Tyson's concentrated animal feeding operations, or as an Indonesian child destined
to work for peanuts in one of Nike's offshore sweat shops making shoes and sports
apparel selling for big bucks to Chinese consumers.

In addition: reincarnation doesn't necessarily stop with one event; but is potentially
a never-ending cycle of birth, misery, and death called samsara.

Resurrection is very different. For one: it is a return to one's human existence. And
unlike reincarnation's potentially never-ending cycle of birth, misery, and death;
resurrection allots but one return per person. (Dan 12:2, John 5:29, Rev 20:5-6)

Buen Camino
/

Jesus said that John the Baptist was also Elijah and Jesus is Melchezidec the king of Salem or Peace High Priest of the Most High.
And we also have the account of Jesus telling Peter that John would not die (possible) that if Jesus would have him tarry until he come, meaning NOT DIE.

There are two forms of death though, physical and spiritual. Once you die spiritually then the physical manifests. All in Christ who have the Spirit of God are made alive.

The problem with it is that the second DEATH comes after the 1,000 yrs so does this mean that they will live that long.... or reincarnation. I do not believe that man comes back as rats or cows or anything, but if Jesus confirmed that John the Baptist was Elijah then I will take God at His Word.

As for you believing that Revelation has already been fulfilled tell me how the gospel was preached all around the world at that time with out the Knowledge of satellite and transportation as spoken of by Daniel 12:4 And how will EVERY EYE on earth see him coming without satellite or computer, or cnn. And how will all the earth see the two witnesses when the whole world sends gifts to one another because they could not RECEIVE THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH so they hated them who brought the Word to them and killed them and refused to burry them for 3-1/2 days? And how is it the a natural Jerusalem is do distressed if there will never be tears and then also this would mean that we are in the 3rd earth age in the new heaven and earth!
Dan 12:4
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
KJV

Rev 1:7
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
KJV
Rev 11:8-11
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
KJV

 

[veteran]

Resurrection and Reincarnation are two very different processes.

Reincarnation isn't necessarily a return to one's human existence; but rather, a
rearrangement of the karmic matter that was once a particular individual.

Simply put, karmic matter is like the pieces and parts that go into assembling a
chariot; which when dismantled, the pieces and parts can be utilized to construct
some other conveyance; with very possibly another gender too; which means that if
Steve Jobs is back on earth as rearranged karma; then he/she just might be back as
a sea urchin, or a termite, or a fruit bat rather than a human being. He could even be
kelp spore in the Pacific ocean off the coast of San Diego, or even as E.coli 0157-H7
in the belly of a cow being fattened up with genetically engineered grain in one of
Tyson's concentrated animal feeding operations, or as an Indonesian child destined
to work for peanuts in one of Nike's offshore sweat shops making shoes and sports
apparel selling for big bucks to Chinese consumers.

In addition: reincarnation doesn't necessarily stop with one event; but is potentially
a never-ending cycle of birth, misery, and death called samsara.

Resurrection is very different. For one: it is a return to one's human existence. And
unlike reincarnation's potentially never-ending cycle of birth, misery, and death;
resurrection allots but one return per person. (Dan 12:2, John 5:29, Rev 20:5-6)

Buen Camino
/

Both of those views do not align with God's Word The Bible.

Per Eccl.12:5-7, once our flesh body dies, it goes back to the material matter of the earth where it came from. But our 'spirit' from God goes back to Him. We no longer need our flesh body once it is dead. Christ's resurrection was different, in that His flesh body was transfigured to show the marks of His crucifixion.

We also have a spirit with soul inside our flesh which is the real part of us. Per Eccl.12:5-7, there is a "silver cord" connecting our flesh body with our soul/spirit. Once that silver cord is severed at flesh death, the two parts go their separate ways.

 

[Webers_Home]

Both of those views do not align with God's Word The Bible. Per Eccl.12:5-7

Ecclesiastes is not "the Bible". Ecclesiastes is only one of the Bible's 66 books. And
in point of fact, Ecclesiastes isn't even "God's word".

Though the author was no doubt inspired to write Ecclesiastes: the book itself does
not, by any stretch of the imagination, contain revelation.

Ecclesiastes is a book of humanistic philosophy, written not from heaven's perspective;
but from the perspective of the man under the sun-- the worldly man --which easily
explains why it is so popular with atheists and unbelievers; and also explains why
it is so out of harmony with the rest of the Bible; most especially the portions
containing Jesus' teachings and Christianity's doctrines. Caveat Lector.

Buen Camino
/

 

[sanhedrin]

But there's more...

Just what KIND of death is that "second death"? What dies? Flesh? No.

There are those who will taste death in the flesh twice but there are those who will tasted physical death only once and move on to immortality and incorruptibility respectively. The dead will be resurrected in flesh and blood again to be mixed with the living so that all human beings, including those who pierced Him, can see the Lord Jesus in His second coming. At the twinkling of an eye, the second death will come to all human beings (the resurrected ones and the living ones) via consuming fire and then comes the conversion from corruptible to incorruptible.



John 5:28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

 

[Webers_Home]

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The tragedy of the second death is that there are no more deaths after that because
according to Dan 12:2, John 5:29, and Rev 20:5-6 there is but one resurrection
allotted per person; which is very serious because according to Rom 6:23, the wages
of sin is death.

Let's say that somebody standing trial at the Great White Throne event depicted at
Rev 20:11-15 told something like 120 lies in their lifetime. Well; according to the
law of sin and death (Rom 6:23) they face capital punishment for each count of lying,
for a grand total of 120 executions. Well; they won't have 120 lives with which to
be executed 120 times; they'll have just the one; leaving a balance of 119 lies for
which the wages of sin is death. So the reason nobody is coming back from the
reservoir of liquefied flame is just simple arithmetic; viz: the reservoir can be
thought of as a sort of debtor's prison.

†. Matt 5:25-26 . . Come to terms with your adversary quickly, while you are in the
way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over
to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no
means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

Well, the wages of sin isn't pennies, or gold, or silver, or fiat currency, or time behind
bars: no; it's capital punishment, so that once people are in the reservoir of liquefied
flame that's where they'll stay because they'll have no means at their disposal with
which to pay their way out of there.

Buen Camino
/

 

[afaithfulone4u]

Both of those views do not align with God's Word The Bible.

Per Eccl.12:5-7, once our flesh body dies, it goes back to the material matter of the earth where it came from. But our 'spirit' from God goes back to Him. We no longer need our flesh body once it is dead. Christ's resurrection was different, in that His flesh body was transfigured to show the marks of His crucifixion.

We also have a spirit with soul inside our flesh which is the real part of us. Per Eccl.12:5-7, there is a "silver cord" connecting our flesh body with our soul/spirit. Once that silver cord is severed at flesh death, the two parts go their separate ways.

Speaking of our bodies... we must know that dna dictates the details of a man's physical body and genes etc.. Knowing this brings us to understand that it is not our name as in John or Mary Smith that is written down in the book of life.. but our dna so that the person is the exact same person otherwise we would not be the same individual with the same likes and dislikes, same moral and devotion to God that we displayed in our life. You can not take one soul and spirit and exchange it for another, that is why the same 7,000 OT saints mentioned to be reserved by God in:

1 Kings 19:17 And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay.
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
KJV

must be the same exact 7,000 souls mentioned in Romans11:4 as being to this day! For all since Christ rather Jew or Gentile MUST be born again into the body of Christ, so the remnant must be devout Jews of the past before Christ came.

Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
KJV

And how is it that they are still at this present time? Because their DRY BONES were resurrected at Jesus' resurrection in the RATTLE & SHAKE earthquake of Ezekial 37 dry bones of all of OT Israel. This happened just after he paid the sin debt to release them and the Spirit was given unto them. They awaited this day as it is written:

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
KJV

And now since the bones of the saints where all kept and were needed to resurrect them..

Ps 34:19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.
20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.
KJV
guess what is stored in our bones? DNA in the marrow or dried blood that gives the pattern of a man, his hair color, eye color, skin color etc... and our soul is our personality and such and our spirit is what connects us to God to discern good from evil and to instill God's nature in us. When we connect our spirit to the devils, we can not obey God's laws, because we can not hear His Word nor receive it. That is when we become spiritually dead as most of the world is.

The reason that Jesus' natural body did not see decay is because he arose within 1 day after he actually gave up the Ghost for as our Passover Lamb his ordeal had to be just as it has and is still rehearsed. And the LAMB must be roasted the evening of the Sabbath and eaten before the daylight so they can spread the BLOOD OVER THE DOOR POST hurry out of Egypt to ESCAPE their death.
But also so that his body retained the scars of his crucifixion to confirm who he was.
Not to mention the fact that The Christ must be raised back up right away, for The Word is what God holds all things together and creates all things with and Jesus is the Word whom became flesh:
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
KJV
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
KJV
There is not anything in this world that God did not use His Word/Son to create it for he is the Light of the world!

John 1:9-11
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
KJV

Carnal minds CAN accept that the Holy Spirit is God and that the LORD is God.. but they always want to deny that THE WORD IS GOD.
Because again, the carnal mind is enmity towards God and can not hear or accept His Truth which is His Word to indwell their flesh to renew their minds.

 

[veteran]

Ecclesiastes is not "the Bible". Ecclesiastes is only one of the Bible's 66 books. And
in point of fact, Ecclesiastes isn't even "God's word".

Though the author was no doubt inspired to write Ecclesiastes: the book itself does
not, by any stretch of the imagination, contain revelation.

Ecclesiastes is a book of humanistic philosophy, written not from heaven's perspective;
but from the perspective of the man under the sun-- the worldly man --which easily
explains why it is so popular with atheists and unbelievers; and also explains why
it is so out of harmony with the rest of the Bible; most especially the portions
containing Jesus' teachings and Christianity's doctrines. Caveat Lector.

Buen Camino
/

Don't be fooled, the rest of The Bible aligns with what Eccl.12:5-7 teaches of what happens at flesh death, just as our Lord Jesus also taught the same idea in Matt.10:28. Paul taught the same idea in the 2 Cor.5 Scripture, and revealed our three parts (flesh/spirit-soul) even in more detail in 1 Cor.15.

There are those who will taste death in the flesh twice but there are those who will tasted physical death only once and move on to immortality and incorruptibility respectively. The dead will be resurrected in flesh and blood again to be mixed with the living so that all human beings, including those who pierced Him, can see the Lord Jesus in His second coming. At the twinkling of an eye, the second death will come to all human beings (the resurrected ones and the living ones) via consuming fire and then comes the conversion from corruptible to incorruptible.



John 5:28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

It is only appointed for man to die ONCE in the flesh...

Heb 9:27
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
(KJV)

Since that first part of Heb.9:27 in blue is about dying ONCE in the flesh, then afterwards that part about "the judgment" means what death? Simple -- the "second death".

Thus the "second death" is about the destruction of one's spirit with soul in the future "lake of fire", not another flesh death.

Speaking of our bodies... we must know that dna dictates the details of a man's physical body and genes etc.. Knowing this brings us to understand that it is not our name as in John or Mary Smith that is written down in the book of life.. but our dna so that the person is the exact same person otherwise we would not be the same individual with the same likes and dislikes, same moral and devotion to God that we displayed in our life. You can not take one soul and spirit and exchange it for another, that is why the same 7,000 OT saints mentioned to be reserved by God in:

DNA is in relation to our fleshy body, not the body of the world to come.

We each are made up of 3 parts: our flesh body, our spirit body with our soul attached to it.

When our flesh body dies, the "silver cord" severed like Eccl.12:5-7 reveals, our flesh body is separated from our spirit-soul part. The flesh goes back to the earth where it originated, but our spirit (with soul) goes back to God Who gave it as written.

When our Lord Jesus returns everyone will fully understand this. But many today will not because of trying to apply the things of this world to the world to come. God's Word reveals this in a way difficult for many to accept (like 2 Cor.5; Eccl.12:5-7; Matt.10:28, etc.), but only The Holy Spirit can reveal the meaning of it in the minds of His people today.

 

[Webers_Home]

It is only appointed for man to die ONCE in the flesh...

Heb 9:27
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the
judgment: (KJV)

Your emphasis should be on the word "appointed" instead of once. The reason
being that according to Rom 5:12-18, everyone's first death is mandatory due
to the forbidden fruit incident. For that reason Jesus would have eventually
himself had he not been crucified. However, the second death depicted at
Rev 20:11-15 isn't mandatory; there's a way out of it.

Buen Camino
/

 

[veteran]

Your emphasis should be on the word "appointed" instead of once. The reason
being that according to Rom 5:12-18, everyone's first death is mandatory due
to the forbidden fruit incident. For that reason Jesus would have eventually
himself had he not been crucified. However, the second death depicted at
Rev 20:11-15 isn't mandatory; there's a way out of it.

Buen Camino
/

We only die once in this flesh. That's what God's Word says as written. That one time death of our flesh body is "appointed" because of Adam and Eve's sin in God's Garden, that sin imparted to all men born in the flesh (except our Lord Jesus).

Cannot compare our Lord Jesus in that, because He had NO SIN, and NO SIN was imparted to Him, even when He was born in the flesh.

 

[Webers_Home]

We only die once in this flesh. That's what God's Word says as written. That one time death of
our flesh body is "appointed" because of Adam and Eve's sin in God's Garden, that sin imparted
to all men born in the flesh (except our Lord Jesus). Cannot compare our Lord Jesus in that,
because He had NO SIN, and NO SIN was imparted to Him, even when He was born in the
flesh.

According to Rom 5:12-18, everybody who descends from the first man is born subject to
mandatory termination due to Adam's sin. Now if you could somehow manage to prove that
Jesus wasn't born biologically related to Adam; then maybe you'd have a case for your theory;
but the Bible has gone to great pains to ensure that Jesus' biological lineage to Adam can only
be disputed by people who refuse to believe that Eve got her life from Adam rather than from
the dust.

The resurrected people doomed to termination in the reservoir of liquefied flame depicted at Rev
20:11-15 will be executed not due to Adams's sin, but rather, due to their own sins. However;
according to Isa 53:9, Rom 6:9-10, Heb 7:26-27, 1Pet 1:19, and 1Pet 2:22; Jesus didn't commit
any sins of his own, therefore he's in no danger of the second death. In point of fact, were Christ
to be thrown into the reservoir, it would fail to terminate him because according to Rom 6:9 he
rose from the dead with immortality.

NOTE: The average rank and file pew warmer has had it drilled into their head that Jesus had no
biological father; therefore he had not biological lineage to Adam; but that is not only a
gross error; but also a professed disbelief in the details of Man's creation.

According to Gen 2:21-23, Eve got her life from Adam; so then Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:2 are
justified in saying that Eve was just as much Adam as Adam. Therefore, any child born of Eve is
just as much Adam as Adam regardless of whether the child is virgin-born or natural-born.

Well; unless somebody can prove that Jesus' mom popped out of a rock, then I think it's pretty
safe to assume that Mary was born of Adam. So then, any child born of Mary is Adam's child
just as every child born of Eve is Adam's child; because Mary was just as much Adam as Adam;
the same as Eve was just as much Adam as Adam. In other words: women are not a distinct
species of their own; no, they are not: they are Adam.

Jesus referred to himself as the "son of man" on numerous occasions. That label was neither new
nor unique in Jesus' day. God addressed the prophet Ezekiel as "son of man" on at least 93
occasions; and in every case, the Hebrew word for man is 'adam (aw-dawm') which is the proper
name of the human race God created in the beginning (Gen 1:26-27, Gen 3:9, Gen 5:2). So then,
according to Ezekiel, the label "son of man" identifies Christ as Adam's biological progeny.

Buen Camino
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[Foreigner]

Yes, this is the hell that consumes, completely destroys its victims, not where they are kept alive to suffer eternal punishment. It is one more area where the Catholic Church and some Protestant churches differ. Personally, I find a hell that destroys rather than tortures more in keeping with God's attribute of Justice.

-- A person I know had an interesting response to that comment of 'Justice.'
He said that if God really was interested in justice, then he would not hold accountable people who have never been introduced to His Word.
True, according to man's law, not knowing something was illegal does not excuse you from breaking that law, but it CAN greatly reduce your punishment.
He said that if God's justice was true, then God would not punish those who did not know Him.
Just something to think about....

 

[veteran]

According to Rom 5:12-18, everybody who descends from the first man is born subject to
mandatory termination due to Adam's sin. Now if you could somehow manage to prove that
Jesus wasn't born biologically related to Adam; then maybe you'd have a case for your theory;
but the Bible has gone to great pains to ensure that Jesus' biological lineage to Adam can only
be disputed by people who refuse to believe that Eve got her life from Adam rather than from
the dust.

I will not entertain vain arguments that our Lord Jesus was subject to 'sin' just because He likewise was born in the flesh through woman's womb as we.

IF... you ever think Christ Jesus had 'sin' just because of being born in the flesh, then you have NO Salvation, period. That's why entertaining such an idea is vanity, and is directly against the written Scripture that He had no sin.

Furthermore, about the image of 'man', that image did NOT originate with the flesh body. Man's image originated directly from God's Own Image, as written early on in Genesis 1. That fact is elementary for all Christian believers on Christ Jesus.