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Do you believe that transgender people in the US are at risk of persecution? Should they all flee to Canada?

“Canada's Federal Court has overturned a decision granting refugee status to an American transgender woman who successfully argued that a combination of gun culture and rising transphobia left her at risk of persecution in the United States.”

Article continues here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...ansgender-united-states-persecution-1.7103455
 

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Hahaha...

No. It's not persecution to have a portion of one's society who don't want to see children butchered before they are old enough to make informed decisions and it's not persecution to live in a society that pushes back against biological men competing against biological females in competitive sports since it disadvantages biological females.

I'd be more afraid of the segment of society that thinks butchering kids is cool myself, and who think it's fine for a 50 y/o man to identify as a 12 year old girl so he can go play with little girls...

But no, persecution is not living in America, even if you are transgender.. while that is beginning to change for one segment of society, transgender isn't that segment.
 

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Hahaha...

No. It's not persecution to have a portion of one's society who don't want to see children butchered before they are old enough to make informed decisions and it's not persecution to live in a society that pushes back against biological men competing against biological females in competitive sports since it disadvantages biological females.

I'd be more afraid of the segment of society that thinks butchering kids is cool myself, and who think it's fine for a 50 y/o man to identify as a 12 year old girl so he can go play with little girls...

But no, persecution is not living in America, even if you are transgender.. while that is beginning to change for one segment of society, transgender isn't that segment.
Was Daria Bloodworth doing any of these things?
 

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Do you believe that transgender people in the US are at risk of persecution? Should they all flee to Canada?

“Canada's Federal Court has overturned a decision granting refugee status to an American transgender woman who successfully argued that a combination of gun culture and rising transphobia left her at risk of persecution in the United States.”

Article continues here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...ansgender-united-states-persecution-1.7103455

In such circumstances people will say anything.

But a person with transgender tenancies should rightly expect to face persecution anywhere there are people who accept the gender they were born with. It makes them a rebel, a rebel against the human race.

That would make them no different than hostile aliens from outer space. Think about that. If aliens came from outer space and just wanted to move in...how would humanity react, and what would be right? Actually--the idea of one coming into Canada and needing acceptance before being welcomed into their society...is a great example. Because--rightfully, they should be able to refuse them. And I suppose that is the rub within any society where people just take it upon themselves to become alien-like without first seeking acceptance. They don't even ask. In fact they just expect to be accommodated. And what's the saying about expectations? If you have them (expectation) you're just asking for trouble.
 

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In such circumstances people will say anything.

But a person with transgender tenancies should rightly expect to face persecution anywhere
Its sad there are so many hateful people around. No one deserves to be persecuted just for existing.
 
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Its sad there are so many hateful people around. No one deserves to be persecuted just for existing.

"Hateful" is the wrong word, and so is "existing."

Do people who are under attack hate? Sometimes, but mostly they just don't want to be driven to fight for and defend what ought to be considered common and not an issue, certainly not one to be overrun by what is not common, nor even natural. It's "abuse" even if self-inflicted, and yes, abuse is a thing to hate.

And as far as "existing" goes, no, existing is what a transgender person was before they dropped below the invisible line that commonly defines human existence. I mean, even the DNA of a male-born victim of quadruple amputation, is male--by definition.

So stop standing on your head and believing upside down is right side up, bad is good, and so on.
 
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Do you believe that transgender people in the US are at risk of persecution? Should they all flee to Canada?

“Canada's Federal Court has overturned a decision granting refugee status to an American transgender woman who successfully argued that a combination of gun culture and rising transphobia left her at risk of persecution in the United States.”

Article continues here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...ansgender-united-states-persecution-1.7103455
If she hasn’t had surgery yet she could get it free in California if she was a transgender illegal immigrant
 
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Was Daria Bloodworth doing any of these things?

I don't know but those are literally the only legal disputes over "transgender issues" there are in America.

That's it. Generally no one cares what adults do in America, just the kids.

By the way "I think they don't like me" doesn't count as persecution.

It has to be state persecution via the law (a denial of some basic human right under the law) in order to claim danger from a state, or, the state itself has to be so broken that armed rogue factions enforce their own laws, like we see in some Islamic countries such as when the Taliban took control from the legitimate government, many people were denied basic human rights and there was punishment involved in trying to speak up about it...

That's what it means to be persecuted. Nothing short of that counts.

to claim asylum for transgender persecution it would have to prove that it would be in danger of being jailed or killed for being transgender and that there's no safe haven from such a fate anywhere in the country.

I think we can all agree that's laughable.
 
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If she hasn’t had surgery yet she could get it free in California if she was a transgender illegal, immigrant.
Shocking isn't it?

Remember the Traitor Bradley Manning?
He stole and released top secret military documents. Found guilty of those offenses he was later sentenced to Leavenworth. There he claimed to be female.
He was allowed to undergo gender mutilation surgery at tax payer expense. He's now out of prison.

Special treatment.
They're not a victim class. They're a mentally ill community who are being betrayed by enablers who want to exploit their illness, and label that a civil right.
 

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"Hateful" is the wrong word, and so is "existing."
You are justifying (even glorifying) the persecution of members of a minority.

You are saying they aren't human beings. "dropped below the invisible line that commonly defines human existence."

That is hate.
 

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You are justifying (even glorifying) the persecution of members of a minority.

You are saying they aren't human beings. "dropped below the invisible line that commonly defines human existence."

That is hate.

I imagine there's some intent behind the posts that's dubious enough to avoid response to.
 
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I don't know but those are literally the only legal disputes over "transgender issues" there are in America.

That's it. Generally no one cares what adults do in America, just the kids.

By the way "I think they don't like me" doesn't count as persecution.

It has to be state persecution via the law (a denial of some basic human right under the law) in order to claim danger from a state, or, the state itself has to be so broken that armed rogue factions enforce their own laws, like we see in some Islamic countries such as when the Taliban took control from the legitimate government, many people were denied basic human rights and there was punishment involved in trying to speak up about it...

That's what it means to be persecuted. Nothing short of that counts.

to claim asylum for transgender persecution it would have to prove that it would be in danger of being jailed or killed for being transgender and that there's no safe haven from such a fate anywhere in the country.

I think we can all agree that's laughable.
Well Daria Bloodworth was being stalked and receiving death threats and the police refused to intervene or even investigate and the courts denied her a basic restraining order. So she fits your definition of someone who is being persecution.
 

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Well Daria Bloodworth was being stalked and receiving death threats and the police refused to intervene or even investigate and the courts denied her a basic restraining order. So she fits your definition of someone who is being persecution.

No... That doesn't fit the definition of persecution because there's only one side of the story being told.

What does the law enforcement say? What's their side?

What prevented the man from moving to a different town to get away from the stalker?

How many times has the man moved and how many law enforcement agencies were involved?

(That's first because if one can move to a different state or town to solve your problems then you're not persecuted in need of asylum)

Also, what kind of investigation could have occured with the death threats that did not occur?

If fingerprints or some other physical proof connecting a person to an actual death threat don't exist then not much can be done.

I can also write you a letter that might sound threatening when you read it, but there's a legal definition of a death threat and the threat would have to cross the lines into that legal definition very solidly before law enforcement even can do anything.

Also, requests for restraining orders are accepted every where in America where you can prove imminent threat of physical harm from a specific individual.

^^^ perhaps the standard was not met?

The standard is actually pretty low for a temporary order.

You have to hear all sides of any story before you determine there's some conspiracy in America to deny basic human rights to transgender individuals...

And I don't care who you are stalkers are legally difficult to deal with.. regular women have to move to get rid of them most the time, sometimes more than once.

So unless you think regular women are persecuted all the time in America for being women, then you know... There's no persecution.
 
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You are justifying (even glorifying) the persecution of members of a minority.

You are saying they aren't human beings. "dropped below the invisible line that commonly defines human existence."

That is hate.

You don't know what you're taking about. It's not hate, it's disdain, "a distancing or disassociation of oneself with something."

All sexual sin is against the body, against God. 1 Corinthians 6:18
 

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No... That doesn't fit the definition of persecution because there's only one side of the story being told.
Physical evidence of the stalking and the death threats were provided in court.
What does the law enforcement say? What's their side?
Records of calls to 911 and that police were dispatched and their own admission they didn't intervene.
What prevented the man from moving to a different town to get away from the stalker?

Why should she have to?
How many times has the man moved and how many law enforcement agencies were involved?
Isn't one enough?
(That's first because if one can move to a different state or town to solve your problems then you're not persecuted in need of asylum)
Why is it on the victim to pick up their lives and move?
Also, what kind of investigation could have occured with the death threats that did not occur?
How about any investigation?
If fingerprints or some other physical proof connecting a person to an actual death threat don't exist then not much can be done.

I can also write you a letter that might sound threatening when you read it, but there's a legal definition of a death threat and the threat would have to cross the lines into that legal definition very solidly before law enforcement even can do anything.

Also, requests for restraining orders are accepted every where in America where you can prove imminent threat of physical harm from a specific individual.

^^^ perhaps the standard was not met?
The Canadian Courts thought they were met.

The Canadian Federal court agreed that she was being persecuted the ruling allowing asylum was overturned on legal grounds saying that options in the United States have not been exhausted.
The standard is actually pretty low for a temporary order.

You have to hear all sides of any story before you determine there's some conspiracy in America to deny basic human rights to transgender individuals...
So far in 2024 over 300 pieces of legislation have been introduced removing legal protections from transgendered people.
And I don't care who you are stalkers are legally difficult to deal with.. regular women have to move to get rid of them most the time, sometimes more than once.
Why should they have to?

So unless you think regular women are persecuted all the time in America for being women, then you know... There's no persecution.
Courts said there was persecution.
 

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You don't know what you're taking about. It's not hate, it's disdain, "a distancing or disassociation of oneself with something."

All sexual sin is against the body, against God. 1 Corinthians 6:18
IF you were to deny the humanity of black people it would be hate.

If you justified the persecution of Jewish people it would be hate

Hate is hate no matter who it is directed agasint
 

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Do you believe that transgender people in the US are at risk of persecution? Should they all flee to Canada?

“Canada's Federal Court has overturned a decision granting refugee status to an American transgender woman who successfully argued that a combination of gun culture and rising transphobia left her at risk of persecution in the United States.”

Article continues here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...ansgender-united-states-persecution-1.7103455
I do believe transgender people are killed and persecuted for their actions yes. Religion is currently being discriminated also by some of those transgender people and/or supporters.
 
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IF you were to deny the humanity of black people it would be hate.

If you justified the persecution of Jewish people it would be hate

Hate is hate no matter who it is directed agasint
Is hate always wrong? You seem to use hate of hate as a justification for your position. But we are told to hate evil:

Psalm 97:10 You who love the Lord, hate evil!
He preserves the souls of His saints;
He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked.
 

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saying that options in the United States have not been exhausted.

Ding ding ding!!!

Correct. And until you exhaust all your options your not being persecuted.

As far as why do most women move when they pick up a stalker?

It's because other people, individuals, have rights too. We don't get to jail people on little to no evidence of any actual crime and stalking is notorious for general really bad creepiness without crossing the line into the criminal.

our system is imperfect, but it's the best we have going.. and since the world is beating down the door to get in it's probably not as terrible as you've been led to believe.
 
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