So whats the difference between all the Christians that have and are now going through tribulation,and those who some how be raptured to escape the last trib?
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The difference is, is that the Great Tribulation surpasses all the normal, (or abnormal - depending on your point of view -) tribulation we must continually endure and have endured including outright persecution by both state and church.n2thelight said:Christians have been and are to this day being tortured and killed.So again I ask what's the difference?
Well, I'd say it's the end of the Church Age, because after we're gone, the basis for salvation through faith has concluded. Once Jesus Returns, the only ones who stand a chance for eternal life are the Remnant Jews and the meek of other nations who survive the Wrath of God in the second half of the one 'seven' and so, getting to the 1335th day, enter the Sabbath Millennium of Christ' Iron Rule.n2thelight said:So I guess my next question is,when is the end?It can't be this so called rapture because as it's taught,it's not the end!!!
Hi Marcus, life goes on as usual does it?Marcus O'Reillius said:Well, I'd say it's the end of the Church Age, because after we're gone, the basis for salvation through faith has concluded. Once Jesus Returns, the only ones who stand a chance for eternal life are the Remnant Jews and the meek of other nations who survive the Wrath of God in the second half of the one 'seven' and so, getting to the 1335th day, enter the Sabbath Millennium of Christ' Iron Rule.
The usual put down and nasty aspersions.Marcus O'Reillius said:I'm not really affected by your delusions keras, writer of Bible study guides on the internet that no one publishes and no one reads.
You do not define the truth; nor is what you think true necessarily true.
And just because you think something, does not mean everyone else who doesn't share your delusions is wrong.
Thats actually a bit of a fallacyMarcus O'Reillius said:the Wrath of God go forth with the first Trumpet Judgment and Revelation 8 is parallel to Revelation 14:17-20.
inchrist said:Thats actually a bit of a fallacy
The 2 witnesses plagues go forth with the first trumpet
No, I rely on witnesses to the fact.Marcus O'Reillius said:The relevant portion of Rev 14 is quoted above. The only fallacy is your take on things.
Lets look at the evidence.Marcus O'Reillius said:The Two Witnesses are authorized to control rain, to turn water to blood, and to call down plagues. Scripture does not say they call the first Trumpet fire down first. That is for Angels as Rev 8 and 14 say.
Hi Keras, didn't you have some idea involving solar activity? One of my hobbies is astronomy and physics and within the last few weeks I've been getting some different sorts of ideas about convective plasma cells in the sun, the coreolis effect, and magnetic vortices acting like super sized particle accelerators. They've been coming to me one after another out of the blue, but I'm not sure why. Maybe I have a brain tumor like the character in Travolta's movie "phenomenon." Maybe I shouldn't have watched "knowing", staring Nicolas Cage. Hollywood can put weird ideas into your head. Still, it makes me wonder.keras said:No, I make no claim to know the Day the Lord will take action in His fiery wrath. But I do know its imminent and most Christians are quite unaware and unprepared.
Again incorrectMarcus O said:I knew you'd try to equate desolations with plagues, but twice in Revelation it says an Angel sounds the first Trumpet, not a Witness, and then classifies an Angel as being in charge of the Fire.
You no more have shown what you argue incessantly about than you have shown that you can "buy" the Holy Spirit - as you insisted on Worthy Christian's eschatology board. So now I see you have stalked me over to this board since the moderators admonished you for your personal attackupon me on their private message system.
Proverbs 23:23that you can "buy" the Holy Spirit
I spoke the truth....you can dish it out but you cant handle it when someone easily refutes some of the nonsense you teach...you go and insult your opponent, then when they stand up for themselves you go run to the mods everytime.moderators admonished you for your personal attackupon me on their private message system
You must be the guy Marcus was alluding to in the other forum worthychristianforum. He bragged abit.keras said:2P2P; Two People, Two Promises. This abbreviation is commonly used, maybe not here.
In order to hang onto the idea of a rapture removal to heaven of the Church and the Jews remaining on earth to face tribulation, you have to maintain a separation. But this contradicts Jesus and the Apostles: John 10:16, John 17:22-23, 1 Cor. 1:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Romans 2:11, Galatians 3:26-29
There is only one people of God, one Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, and all the promises of God to the Israelites now pertain to His righteous Christian people, under the New Covenant; from every race and language, including Messianic Jews.
This truth alone destroys the false rapture theory.
You accuse me of knowing the Day. If I really did; wouldn't that make me a prophet? And you a prophet hater? Like to stone me to death, would you?
No, I make no claim to know the Day the Lord will take action in His fiery wrath. But I do know its imminent and most Christians are quite unaware and unprepared.
Yes, it's plain from the over 70 prophesies describing the fire that the Lord will send to judge and punish His enemies, that a Coronal mass Ejection is the only naturally occurring thing that will literally fulfil them all. Like the Lord sent rain in Noah's day, this time the world is reserved for fire. 2 Peter 3:7.Michael V Pardo said:Hi Keras, didn't you have some idea involving solar activity? One of my hobbies is astronomy and physics and within the last few weeks I've been getting some different sorts of ideas about convective plasma cells in the sun, the coreolis effect, and magnetic vortices acting like super sized particle accelerators. They've been coming to me one after another out of the blue, but I'm not sure why. Maybe I have a brain tumor like the character in Travolta's movie "phenomenon." Maybe I shouldn't have watched "knowing", staring Nicolas Cage. Hollywood can put weird ideas into your head. Still, it makes me wonder.