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Discussion in 'Current Events & Politics Forum' started by JohnDB, Nov 21, 2020.

  1. Rita

    Rita Guest

    This time round we know loads of people with the virus - so far not anyone has died , although one of our residents had to go to hospital and is not doing too well. She was fine in the morning, by lunchtime she couldn’t even managed to speak. She tested positive. This is what is so different with this virus, the speed in which many succumb in such a small space of time.
     
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    That should be completed thus: "And prudent people in all humility get vaccinated against the (1) propaganda, (2) disinformation, (3) misinformation, and (4) outright lies about vaccines and their alleged effectiveness".

    The term "snake oil salesmen" was common in the past when worthless remedies were being vigorously promoted. Until there is a TOTALLY INDEPENDENT investigative commission that really digs into the truth, and unearths the facts about vaccines and coronavirus, every prudent person should be totally skeptical.

    So far, all we have heard are lies, lies, and more lies about Wuhan virus -- the Chinese bioweapon which has accomplished more for China than any guided missile.
     
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    Oh geez patience really is a virtue.. I need to work on that

    Oh wow... Some people can keep batting strong for ages
     
  4. JohnDB

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    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

    This is why they are being called the Trump Vaccines. This fast-track, emergency use set of Vaccines are his doing.

    You can call the second generation of vaccines whatever you want. But this first batch is termed that regardless of who makes them.

    And my experience from working in medical facilities (skilled nursing/retirement centers and hospitals) has been that we had to have all kinds of Vaccines and hold first aide certificates. I am not actually medical staff so I didn't have to hold an ACLS license like the nurses did. But it was beyond the rudimentary of "call 911 if choking" type stuff.
    I actually was licensed with first aide in College but it had long since expired. I was only doing part time so I dodged having to take the classes but not the Vaccines.

    And they never said another word about it when I actually had to save a guy from choking... everyone else was panicking but I just put down the pans and heimlich the guy.
     
  5. Rita

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    So it’s his vaccine because he is applying for authorisation, I guess it depends on how you look at it. I tend to define the vaccine on who has done the work.
    I work in care in the UK, vaccines for flu are encouraged but not mandatory. First aid, well we have training but only a certain number of people in the home have certificates but there has to be someone on each floor at all times that are fully trained. Rita
     
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  6. JohnDB

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    If you read the link you would see that the "warp speed" is that the FDA is going to really work super fast on this approval. Instead of 10-12 months of going over it they are going to do it in three weeks.

    These Vaccines were developed with contract promises and research funding grants provided by the Trump administration. As well as liability protections because they are so new and fast and we are the stage four trials. Only 5% of Vaccines fail at stage four trials so I'm fairly optimistic.
    Only 15% fail at stage three.


    Here in the US the distribution is going to be handled by the military which excells at logistics.

    All of this would be a nightmare for a normal, run of the mill timetable. That's why Trump made up his own rules and normal course of business. The science that is being done is sound and solid. EVERYONE is watching. Unfortunately that means that the kooks who don't know anything except how to fear monger are also chiming in.
     
  7. APAK

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    You are not serious I hope on this approaching 100% effectiveness level. And then you use a mechanic safety device as your analogy with a safety factor!!

    NO vaccine has ever approached 100%, not even close. If fact, the old style flu vaccine (these types of vaccines are going to be abandoned fairly soon) for the common flu strains, of which there are thousands of them floating around yearly are barely 50% effective. They normally pick 2 strains every year and hope at least one of them is the predominant one for that year to bring their effectiveness rate from a few percent to about 50 %. And then there is the fact as one gets over 60 years old, flu shots are really and truly ineffective...and they keep advertising to get a SENIOR heavy dosed shot every year...what a load of C$$$.

    Also, we should now also start forgetting the vaccines of the past, including the common flu shot. They will not produce vaccines with an antigen supplied externally anymore to induce/activate your immune system to produce anti-bodies. They are strictly going to use mRNA and DNA style vaccines for ALL diseases so-called immunizations (what a laugh) if they can get away with it from now on..even for the common flu strain.....

    And to think that only a decade ago these designer nano technologically designed RNA/DNA vaccines concepts were considered way too dangerous to be designed, produced, sold and given to the public. These greedy chemical/vaccine companies kept trying to get to market and now they have the perfect artificial man-made storm, the so-called COVID, as their cover, with government backing no less, to unload these poisons on the unsuspecting public. And to think they really do have the backing of the cruel powers of governments over the globe with the WHO/UN supporting all of all for this non-deadly pandemic; that would have been unthinkable less than a year ago.

    Note: Moderna has NEVER produce a vaccine before this year of any type...the needle is going to be in your hand or theirs? You choose; your life may well depend on it..

    Can you imagine in the very near-future, the standard and common mRNA/DNA all purpose, all curing vaccine version 2.0, shall have many thousands of tiny, less than hair-thickness sized robots crawling about inside all areas of your body and commanded externally by 3rd and 4th parties, to even deliberately kill you...I would not laugh too loudly ..those pertinent sci-fi movies were images of reality, into the future.

    I personally have not had the flu since my 20's (ironically from a flu shot) and my wife the same...the cold, maybe every 3-4 years if we are unlucky...so tell me, should we get jabbed and raped by evil and greedy people?..not on my watch..

    APAK
     
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    Efficiency is not the real issue. It is a big issue only if this efficiency regardless of its % rating , produces dangerous side effects...
     
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    MRNA Vaccines are usually safe enough.

    RNA is a constantly changing set of instructions on how to interpret DNA...which also changes due to environmental factors.

    This mRNA vaccine is just a set of instructions that tells your body to produce antibodies for the Covid-19 virus.

    And apparently it does.
     
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    actually this was another lady . But oh YES i seen that video of the doctor lady too . She was right as well .
    This other lady looked up two things which were in that shot . They had numbers like chadox-1
    and this mrc something . instead of just passing over this she actually looked it up .
    Guess what the mcr or whatever said . IT came from the lung tissue of an aborted fourteen weak old male caucasion .
    I nearly fell backwards . I will try and find the whole abbrevation and you all can look it up yourselves .
    That is wicked evil . NO baby loving lamb should touch that nasty shot .
     
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    Go to the web pages of these companies . LOOK at what is in it . and look up every word . and see for yourselves .
    Dont pass over any word or acronym , LOOK them up . SEE for yourselves what is in this shot .
    I aint touching the nasty thing . PEROID .
     
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    The LORD is and will be with the lambs . We will all be branded my friend . Many more are already in a data base
    as potential terroists , and they dont even know it .
    I used to do anti terroism in the marines and held a secrete clearance . They know how to come in as though
    they are your friend . They know how to set things up and bait you and act as though they are one of you . BUT
    they are only getting your name on a list .
    Do you really think when they put out these polls on conservative sites , AS well as liberal ,
    and ask us to sign a petetion or etc , its just for show .
    ITS what they do my friend . an example
    IF i were infiltrating conservatives , i would set up things like WHO would we willing to seceed from the union
    if such and such gets in power or etc . THAT LIST would go RIGHT TO A DATA base .
    THEY are duping the heck out of a lot of you all . We must CLING TO JESUS NOW . steer clear of survey, polls , and those questions .
    Way more and watched and monitored and some of them are even part of this . Watch out .
    Not to mention folks need to look up prolonged dentention . LOOK IT UP
    And notice what it says about POTENTIAL terroists . those who they say or think are or could be a potential terroist.
    THEN look up homeland security and see what is on that list . Folks many of us already are ON that that list .
    BUT have no fear of man or what he can do . WE got the LORD , HE WILL be with us through it all . Even in prison
    and even at our death . JESUS IS WITH THE LAMBS . SO WE have ALL HOPE . OUR END IS GOOD .
     
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    with a 99% survival rate for most people from this virus it does not seem like anyone is trying to kill themselves by not taking a vaccine with terrible side effect

    and vaccines that are not 100% tested and safe, and also not 100% guaranteed to keep you healthy,

    but are 100% guaranteed to have terrible side effects, it seems your advice is clouded if not down right wrong.

    But to call another human being stupid and make names up about them like the 'darwin" thing is just down right mean, which comes from a harden heart.

    We all have been there with a hard heart, the thing is you cant see a hard heart when you have one, only when you get rid of it will you know that you had it. Im praying
     
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    Your post is what I find to be so error ridden and factually incorrect that it's scary to me how you can truly believe this.

    And Darwin Award is not a "made up" name. I didn't coin it or own any rights to it. I'm simply using it because it perfectly fits.

    You might be one if you believe what you have said. More than likely you will win the award for yourself.

    I've HAD several friends who got the virus. Most are still alive...some aren't. Half of the survivors aren't whole anymore. They have debilitating side effects that are going to affect them the rest of their lives.

    But you keep spouting Darwin Award winning information...and explain it to God one day.
     
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    FYI I read that the Moderna has no stem cells in it.
     
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    I was responding to someone who was using the engineering design safety factor in his argument against the use of vaccines, where he was suggesting that people will not purchase a car the has a 95% effectiveness.

    My arguments was that people abuse cars and drive them often outside of their design parameters such that the effectiveness of the braking system is not even close to 95% and is more likely 0% effective because of their reckless driving habits outside of the design parameters of the respective car.

    I also pointed out that medical specialists all make mistakes depending on their ability to be able to think clearly within their imposed circumstances created by their respective employers and their own componence.

    I would suggest that the moral compass of the people has an impact on the effectiveness of vaccines when they are released. The pay grade of the people making the final decisions is way to high for me or you to argue against.

    Back during the time of Moses, the treatment of life threatening was the putting of the people outside of the camp until the could prove that they were clean from the disease.

    I wonder what would happen if that same process was implemented today. Particularly to those who find fault all of the time with what is being done to fight the Pan Dem Ic.
     
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    I now understand you were initially responding to post #66 to RC...after checking nearly 30 posts back...

    Regardless, and not to just pick on you, but your brief words about medical specialists as being human and making mistakes does not say anything about reality and what their errors and mistakes can cause. Many working in especially the vaccine arena do have immoral and unethical interests in mind; especially when their jobs and profit margins are at stake. They have had a history of falsifying data in order to sell their products. Why would I believe this has all changed for this year's batch of very highly profitable novel vaccines.


    Synthetic drug makers are held to a much higher quality and safety standard than vaccine makers. I wish this higher standard was mandated for these vaccine makers.....


    APAK
     
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    Thousands suffering from post-COVID-19 symptoms doctors don't understand
     
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    Hello there,

    Vaccines are being produced globally, by the scientific communities among the nations, many working in cooperation with one another. This has nothing to do with president Trump or any other politician.

    Chris
     
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    Yes...but that FDA approval is the "gold standard" for drugs used in the global Marketplace. Anything else is considered "not as good".
    We only have 330 million people vx 7.8 billion.

    AstraZeneca's vaccine is a joint vaccine between two nations and drug companies. But where it's a joint operation...many people are rejecting it out of hand because of the aborted fetal tissue used to generate it.
     
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