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Discussion in 'Current Events & Politics Forum' started by JohnDB, Nov 21, 2020.

  1. JohnDB

    JohnDB Well-Known Member

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    There is fear
    There is prudence
    There is humility...

    And prudent people in all humility get vaccinated.

    Fearful people spread lies and conspiracy theories.
     
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    Adding to this subject of yours, are some facts that folks usually just brush by....and they need to know..

    1. Efficacy is how well a design or product, in this case a vaccine, performs under ideal laboratory conditions where the qualification passage measurements / criteria are set to meet expectations already agreed upon in advance...yes it is money and politically driven ALL THE WAY. So, the CDC says it requires a min. of 50% efficacy of a specific type of vaccine. You don't know what are the benchmarks or qualification levels. They could be tight or very loose to say 50% efficacy was met or not.

    So today, these vaccine companies all skyte and say they have over 90% efficacy by their vaccines, and you don't know how stringent or relaxed their passing criteria was set to say it was for example 94%. It's like saying you got 90% on an exam because it was modified and graded under a generous curve. In reality though your RAW grade/score was 45%, and yours was the highest score in the class.

    2. Effectiveness of the vaccine is when this same exact product or vaccine used to measure it efficacy, is now applied or is used on people in real world conditions. The effectiveness cannot be measure so quickly as with efficacy. It takes many many months and even years...So no one should be talking about EFFECTIVENESS at all....if vaccine companies spout out percentages of effectiveness today, they are surely lying to you and the public.

    3. Both efficacy and effectiveness figures used and defined by these vaccine companies and even the CDC are used for their own benefit, gain and self-interest...they DO NOT care about your overall health as they do not take into consideration the side effects of these administered vaccines over time......you are on your own...that's why the governments has a bundle of dough set aside for lawsuits....the company is always IMMUNE from any lawsuit, in the US since the 1980s..., the gov is the one sued as their shield and protection...

    4. The gov/ CDC and vaccine companies are not too quick to tell you that most of these messenger RNA vaccines require at least a double dose regiment.
    The Pfizer vaccine requires two doses, taken 3 weeks apart.....that's why so many doses are being ramped up all at once...

    just saying...know what the CDC/Gov and these vaccine companies are spewing out in public....

    APAK
     
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    it saddens me to see such a harden heart on a christian board,
     
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  4. JohnDB

    JohnDB Well-Known Member

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    What on earth are you talking about?

    I can only do so much to keep a person from committing suicide. I can only try. I can advise, holler, disagree or whatever else...

    But when someone is adamant that they wish to do something to kill themselves....what do you expect?
     
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    There are a lot more reason than conspiracy theory, there is the fact that there have been lies from the very beginning Doctors say don't do this and than do this. The authorities don't know and refuse to be honest. You should not assume people are idiots because they are scared and concerned. None of us should act elitist.

    You should be give the benefit since no one knows the real truth. I know your in a bad way with your friend but now your judgement is clouded by that experience which is understandable, mine would be too. You even have stars in your eyes about the vaccine that it is a magic cure all for covid and even the scientist say the virus is not a cure all for covid. We may want a cure but short of God doing a miracle we may not get one complete cure.

    A Doctor Doctor on Pfizer vaccine: 'Not sure this one is the game winner'

    My hypothesis is that this is the new flu type thing where we will get a handle on it but have to get a shot every so often.
     
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    Cristo Rei Well-Known Member

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    For the 5th time, we aren't doing that vaccine here... Their gonna vax rape us with the AstraZeneca vax... 50% efficacy

    Would you buy a car that had brakes that were 95% effective... Would you get on a plane that was 95% effective...
    No one would accept that yet we're supposed to just shut up and take a risk..
    In engineering we operate at a safe working factor of 2.5. That means something that is rated for 100 tons can withstand 250 tons

    Worse case scenario these vaccines kill everyone after a few years, sending mankind to the brink of extinction
     
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    Is she a fairly young, attractive doctor? Cos there is one that has been onto the Rna vaccines for a long time now...
    Nanobots... Dna manipulation and modification. Some really sci-fi sounding stuff she suggests
     
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    To be as Christ. To listen and try to understand and not act as if your better than they are, don't be the pharisee beating your chest saying to God "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.” Even if they still believe that this is harmful your still to support them and love them. No one here is adamant about killing themselves they don't trust the authorities for some very good reasons not everything is a conspiracy theory, though some are not all are.
     
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    It should be noted that all vaccines have an effectiveness that approaches 100 % were the reason that they are not, can be directly sheeted down to the people taking/using the vaccine.

    In engineering the safety factor of 2.5 is there because of the unreliability of the people to use the article within its boundaries of their design parameters. We all buy cars, where the brakes lose their effectiveness over the life of the pads and the drum/rotors. Driving the car till it fails is not a recommended practice but how many owners of cars are particular in maintaining their car in a pristine condition.

    Medical applications also have an effective safe working factor, but mistakes and errors do occur in medicine as all the medical staff are humans and all humans are prone to making mistakes and errors during their working day and medical staff are no different.

    But then again some people just like to complain about everything to clear themselves of responsibility.
     
  10. Cristo Rei

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    True, true... Owning nothing now could be a blessing in disguise... Now im getting a van, converting it into a camper and fleeing this state...
    Iv been to prison once for driving offenses. So now any type of arrest and im automatically back there...
    Our dictator of a state premier has destroyed industry. Haven't been able to work all year and now that we can work there is nothing there

    Iv got about 3 months until our 3rd wave comes around and the vaccine raping begins.
    I get my license back in Jan... 15 months i lost it for... Plus time in correctional facilities...
    Now when i drive by their scanners pick up my plates and flags them...
    Im branded here in Victoria. It really sux. Branded for life. So when it get tighter i'll be one of the first to disappear if i stay...

    But fresh start, new chapter, new adventure, nothing holding me back now... Sharpen up on my bush crafting skills so that i can go off the grid, into the bush, for long periods... Hardest thing to get is carbs and sugars and i really need to brush up on what pants are edible cos i cant just live off seafood and meat
     
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    Ahahaha dropping the facts left right and center... Loving it... I bathe in facts and truth
     
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    Unfortunately that shadow isn't long enough... I knew about it cos i stumbled across an old 60 minutes program...
    But everyone else under the age of about 50 wouldn't know anything about that...

    Did u know that the WHO tried this pandemic thing back in 2010. Thats when they changed the definition of pandemic. The old definition included "widespread death", they took that out. Death is no longer required to call a pandemic. In the end it was the German doctors who stepped in and uncovered the fraud... This time round it seems the WHO has covered a lot more bases
     
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    Ye i know, i spelt it out on another thread somewhere, similar to what u did there... You missed one but...
    Efficiency... "This vaxine in 1000% efficient"... Good or Bad?
     
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    The numbers aren't in yet for the AstraZeneca vaccine... you have no idea how effective it is yet. When they make a report we will know but not until.
     
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    I'm looking at the science... nothing more or less.
    There's several looking very good.
    As in:
    Safe
    Effective
    Better than they expected.

    That's what I'm seeing...I'm looking at their numbers and it's good. They are being double checked for fraudulent/error numbers and miscalculations.

    There's over 200 more coming.

    What do you want?

    By the time we will be allowed to get vaccinated there will be hundreds of millions who will be "first".
    And those idiots who refuse the Vaccines due to crazy conspiracy theories instead of good reasons...ok....it's not going to stop me from getting mine.

    And I'm not a fan of any of these first two...

    I'm looking at Novovax...it's different but it also seems to have the most virulent side effects. It might not be approved for those reasons.

    But maybe one of the other 200 Vaccines will work best.
     
  17. Rita

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    Why on earth are you calling this thread ‘ Trump vaccine is coming ‘ - sorry but he didn’t develop the vaccine, any of them. It would be like calling the vaccine that is coming out of Oxford ‘ Boris Johnson Vaccine. It the scientists that have developed the vaccines.
    Personally my own concern is that it has now become a race to be the ‘ First ‘ to start rolling out the vaccine and actually using it. To become ‘ the one ‘ that wins the race. So everything just seems too rushed for me.
    I work in a care home and so far have never been ‘ ordered ‘ or ‘ required ‘ to take any vaccine In order to work. I do know that it’s likely to change and right now haven’t got a clue what I will do. However it’s not just Christians that don’t want the vaccine, quite a high number of my work colleagues feel the same way.
    Guess some of us will have to make decisions a lot sooner than others. Rita
     
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    Im just repeating what the mainstream media told us...

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    And Australia is committed to this vaxine...

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    And just when we think it cant get any dirtier...

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    Great...

    For Sale... Brand new car which is 95% effective and 95% safe... Any buyers???
    Oh cmon... No liability as well
     
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    I think the title was a bit of bait... Trump hasn't even been mentioned yet... I think u took the bait... :p

    But howz it going up there? Have u considered the possibility that you might be too much at risk in that job Rita?
    U know what im saying... Let the young ones do it... Their far less at risk... Then ud have no income...
    I dunno id just be so sad if u were to get covid badly...:oops:
    But we just have to do what we have to do to make ends meet...
     
  20. Rita

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    We shouldn’t really need to have ‘ baits ‘ on a Christian forum, but if it was one, yes I fell for it. We have had COVID in the care home for the past month. I am three years from retirement but cannot make myself out of work. We were coming through the initially outbreak when a career returned to work from isolation. Her husband had it. She took the 14days. She had a test prior to returning, management didn’t wait for the test result. She came into work on Friday , on Saturday her test returned positive. I was working in the same area as her, but not closely. She was on our first floor that had not been impacted by the initial outbreak. So we now have to play the waiting game all over again. Interesting times !
    It’s not been easy as I care for my dad, he is 89 and in a risk group.
    Thank you for your concern xx
    Rita
     
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