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Nah! Who is Israel …it it’s the true blood washed saints throughout time.
When the writer of Revelation Describes his heavenly encounter in pictures a types. Why does man then seek to understand it and interpret it with his carnal mind literally! He tries to bring it down to his own understanding.
It is written spiritually therefore understood spiritually ….144,000 is a spiritual number that is obvious to a babe, therefore everything else described here is spiritual too.
It is not (only) literal Israel , it is not literal virgins …etc etc
Your point is...
If that's how you choose to interpret it, who am I to say otherwise?My point is that it’s not the literal 12 truth because the 12 tribes mentioned in revelation chapter 7 aren’t the original 12 true
If that's how you choose to interpret it, who am I to say otherwise?
I know the list isn't exact. I happen to believe that it is literal.Its not an interpretation read the list of tribes in the bible yourself and you will see the difference. Dan is removed and replaced as he was called a serpent
Its not an interpretation read the list of tribes in the bible yourself and you will see the difference. Dan is removed and replaced as he was called a serpent
Also….it’s Nothing at all to do with blood-line , but everything to do with the heart and the walk of the believer .
No I don't actually believe that, was just asking for the heck of it to see people's responses, of course I know I believe in God and his only begotten son our Lord Savior Jesus Christ and I don't have a drop of Jewish blood, and know I'll be saved.And people are stupid enough to really believe that! Hahah! ( hoping your question was not a serIous one! )
When one thinks of ALL the people of God since the beginning of time …it is so amazing that some/many people are shallow enough to actually believe that.
Those outside of the lineage of the man, "Israel," are called gentiles. Faith in Christ saves them. Those of the house of Israel with faith in Christ are saved. Those of the house of Judah with faith in Christ are saved.
I believe that the 144,000 taken from the 12 tribes are the bride of Christ.
God can change any of my views if He so chooses to do so.
And often, contentious. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, I just don't like it when people are nasty.Well, glad to see that you are humble enough to allow the Lord to change you mind if you are wrong. x
The sad ones are those that are so convinced in their own mind, that there is no room for change. Once a person gets to that, they are closed and unteachable ( to the place of arrogance, and no longer need to ‘hear His Voice ‘ )
Blessings. H .
I don't agree with the Pre-Trib rapture for many reasons, but I would not say it is from the Devil.Ain't no pre-trib rapture, so you can forget asking me to agree to that false doctrine of the devil.
No. Everyone whonis written in the Book of Life is destined to be saved. GOD's plan for all will be a accomplished. Those who take the mark of the Beast were never intended to be saved and many will, likely iver half the population of the planet. Gid wil guide each and every one to respond accordingly. This is how the future is written. God is sovereign. Otherwise prophecy would not be fulfilled perfectly.This you can count on: by the time the "great tribulation" starts, each person will already be divided to one side or the other, and will remain in their belief to the day of Jesus' return.
No, gradually, when they realize that the GT is here and so are they, they will abandon that view - a light will go on. God enlightens all of us of our errors at different times in our lives - doesn't He?That means, if you believe the false Pre-trib Rapture theory from men when the trib starts, you will continue to believe it throughout that tribulation, all the way to the end of it, because at the end of it is actually when Lord Jesus showed His coming to gather His Church is (Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27)
Now things which are from God are being labeled as things from the devil and vice versa. But we do know what times we are living in and that there will be an increase in false doctrines.I don't agree with the Pre-Trib rapture for many reasons, but I would not say it is from the Devil.
True. The question we should ask is: Will the Holy Spirit allow a born again Christian to be led astray by false doctrines that will somehow invalidate the work He has done and sealed? No.Now things which are from God are being labeled as things from the devil and vice versa. But we do know what times we are living in and that there will be an increase in false doctrines.
"These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins."Modern mainstream Church-ianity teaches (relentlessly) that the 144,000 will all be men and Jewish.
I don't believe the Bible teaches this at all.
There are 14 tribes of Israel. There were actually 14 disciples as well. So depending on the timing only 12 are considered by God, as legitimate necessary for a particular purpose.So yes I was right they aren’t the original 12 tribes. Out of all of the times in the bible there is a list of tribes neither are the same list as revelation 7
How about my other points?
There are 14 tribes of Israel. There were actually 14 disciples as well. So depending on the timing only 12 are considered by God, as legitimate necessary for a particular purpose.
I think it is the other way around. The Second Coming is before the GT. The body of Christ does not go through the GT. Jesus Christ and His 144k disciples go through the GT. It is called the final harvest. It is not a harvest into the body of Christ. It is the firstfruits harvest for the Millennial reign. The church is in Paradise. Those Coming out of the GT inherit the earth.So us Gentiles who have believed in Christ our Savior have no chance, because we are not Jewish and part of the 12 tribes?
Put the lists together and you can see, no?Humm 14 tribes and 14 deciples who were they?