Use Not this verse : 1 John 1:9...if you are born again.

[Behold]

It seems to me you just don't know how I arrived at what I know

Im not interested in what you have to say, as you dont understand the Cross of Christ or the Blood atonement.
You deny it when you teach that salvation can be lost, and anyone who does that, has no revelation from the Holy God they have offended with their Cross denying Bible twisting Theology.

The lowest form of demonic ministry, is the one who lives on Forums to try to prove to real believers that they can lose their salvation.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

If you are born again, you wont be going to hell.

So, if a born again believer, later has an issue with their faith, then that is a born again person with a thinking problem.....and nothing more.

Salvation can't be lost, as its not earn or kept.... Its provided by the One who gave the new birth.

Being born again, never ends, as once you are joined to God, as "one with God', the blood of Jesus always maintains this eternal relationship, as its what caused it to begin.

You can't stop being Born Again.

Philippians 1:6 say that God is faithful to keep our salvation to completion.

In 1 John 5:16-17 why do you think John said to not pray for someone who has committed a sin unto death? He's not talking about unbelievers that we are SUPPOSE to pray for to come to Christ. It is because Like Hebrews 6:4-6 it is impossible to renew then to salvation, once they've lost it. Your belief in OSAS is Calvinism, whether you deny being one or not.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Im not interested in what you have to say, as you dont understand the Cross of Christ or the Blood atonement.
You deny it when you teach that salvation can be lost, and anyone who does that, has no revelation from the Holy God they have offended with their Cross denying Bible twisting Theology.

The lowest form of demonic ministry, is the one who lives on Forums to try to prove to real believers that they can lose their salvation.

You don't understand free will. And deny the warnings given us to not quench the Spirit, which is because we can willfully lose our salvation.

Your students are going to hear Matthew 7:21-23. They were born again, then didn't abide IN Jesus.

 

[Behold]

In 1 John 5:16-17 why do you think John said to not pray for someone who has committed a sin unto death?

Let me show you how to understand that verse.
That verse is not referring to physical death, as physical death itself was created by Adam's sin, not ours.
Its why you die. ITs because of Adam's iniquity, that we are all born to die.

So, that verse is talking about a person who has a seared conscience.
That is different than a devil deceived believer who teaches that Salvation can be lost.

This verse is talking about a person who is "subverted within themselves", far beyond the reach of the Call of God.
These people do exist, and some are atheists, but many are long standing church members who go every Sunday.
These are those who are not saved, and have heard the 'alter call", for 40 yrs, and would not respond..... And for the first 20yrs, the Holy Spirit could touch their heart and convict them of their need for Yeshua.
But there came a day when that "stiff necked" resistance against the Spirit of God, became for them a eternal despite done to the Spirit of Grace.....it literally became a line they crossed and there is now no way back from this hardened heart.

John 3:36

Paul refers to these people in Titus 3:10

He says to "reject them".,...... literally.
John says not to pray for them., as there is no point.

 

[Behold]

You don't understand free will.

Calvinist's do not understand free will, because Calvin owns their mind, and He's a devil.

I understand free will perfectly.

I also understand that many in Hell believe they were caused to go there by God, and that's why they never believed.
See that?
That is some of the evil fruit of John Calvin's "doctrines of devils'.

 

[Behold]

Your students are going to hear Matthew 7:21-23. They were born again, then didn't abide IN Jesus.

All the born again eternally abide in Christ, because they are "in Christ". 'Made righteous", "One with God"... and Have Eternal Life.
Its because Jesus is IN the Born again, that causes the Born again to always abide in Him.
The born again always abide in Christ because all the born again are the "Temple of the Holy Spirit.""
God causes that to happen and continue to the born again......, not your silly self righteous self effort, 1stCenturyLady.

Now,..... you can "fall from Grace" and become "in the Flesh"....but that is not to stop abiding, as abiding is always Spiritual.

You, like all Legalists, teach that your self righteous self effort keeps you abiding.
So your gospel of self righteousness, denies the Cross and insults the Grace of God.
Jude teaches about your "error of Cain", who also tried to fellowship (abide) with God by works, and performance.
You're no different.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Let me show you how to understand that verse.
That verse is not referring to physical death, as physical death itself was created by Adam's sin, not ours.
Its why you die. ITs because of Adam's iniquity, that we are all born to die.

So, that verse is talking about a person who has a seared conscience.
That is different than a devil deceived believer who teaches that Salvation can be lost.

This verse is talking about a person who is "subverted within themselves", far beyond the reach of the Call of God.
These people do exist, and some are atheists, but many are long standing church members who go every Sunday.
These are those who are not saved, and have heard the 'alter call", for 40 yrs, and would not respond..... And for the first 20yrs, the Holy Spirit could touch their heart and convict them of their need for Yeshua.
But there came a day when that "stiff necked" resistance against the Spirit of God, became for them a eternal despite done to the Spirit of Grace.....it literally became a line they crossed and there is now no way back from this hardened heart.

John 3:36

Paul refers to these people in Titus 3:10

He says to "reject them".,...... literally.
John says not to pray for them., as there is no point.

It is not referring to suicide. It is the spiritual death caused from sins unto death AFTER gaining eternal life. They lose it and return to perdition, Hebrews 10:39. They stop believing. Once saved, we must keep ourselves. 1 John 5:18 That is called working out our own salvation and keep believing and stay abiding IN Jesus.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

All the born again eternally abide in Christ, because they are "in Christ". 'Made righteous", "One with God"... and Have Eternal Life.
Its because Jesus is IN the Born again, that causes the Born again to always abide in Him.
The born again always abide in Christ because all the born again are the "Temple of the Holy Spirit.""
God causes that to happen and continue to the born again......, not your silly self righteous self effort, 1stCenturyLady.

Now,..... you can "fall from Grace" and become "in the Flesh"....but that is not to stop abiding, as abiding is always Spiritual.

You, like all Legalists, teach that your self righteous self effort keeps you abiding.
So your gospel of self righteousness, denies the Cross and insults the Grace of God.
Jude teaches about your "error of Cain", who also tried to fellowship (abide) with God by works, and performance.
You're no different.

You are teaching the false doctrine of having your cake and eating it too!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Reader.. Saint..

1 John 1:9

That one is for people who have sin..... Go now and read 1 John 3:9.... as that verse is for the born again.

Now, Listen carefully and you can end something that is hindering your REAL walk of Faith..... (many of you).

1.) Realize....
= The Born again dont have any sin, as you can't have any and be "in Christ". (all the born again). You can't have any sin and be "One with God"..
You can't have any sin and be "seated in Heavenly Places".. = Born Again.
The reason the Born again dont have any sin, is because "God hath made Jesus to be SIN for US"... and God has given to us "the GIFT of Righteousness".
Thats what the born again HAVE.
This is why the Born again are "SAINTS" and not sinners.
Heirs of God
Joint Heirs with Jesus.
Have Eternal life


2.) Why was "Jesus made sin for us". 2000 yrs ago...On The Cross?

= """that we might be MADE = the righteousness of God in Christ"... Today, Yesterday, and Forever.

Notice...>"The righteousness of GOD"...... is Where?

Where is it??

= Its "IN CHRIST".... is the "Righteousness of God" ......and who is "IN CHRIST" where the "righteousness of God"" is found? ??

A.) ALL the Born again.......are "in Christ" having been "made righteous"... as "the Righteousness of God" "in Christ".


Saint, if you are born again you are BIRTHED Spiritually into the Spirit of God, BY THE Holy Spirit.
There is no sin found there and you are IN THERE. = "in Christ"... "one with God".

A.) Welcome to : Born Again.

and "Jesus said, you must be born again"........ or you still have your sin, and you are not going to heaven, as there is no sin found there.
So the next question is... Then why do you confess sin if you are Born Again "in Christ"?

A.) Exactly.......and i can feel the fangs and the sharp blades already.....but just keep reading, and dont attack yet.

3.) Why do you, confess sin.... if Jesus has died for it all 2000 yrs ago, and Romans 4:8 says God does not charge you with any, and 2 Corinthians 5:19 says the same?
Its because you dont understand the Cross or God's Grace or Salvation, or you use to understand it and a DECEIVER caused you to "fall from Grace".
its usually a "church", or a "denomination" or a "commentary set"..... you've been using for a long time. But plenty of Forums have these people on them who will talk you right out of truth and right into SELF SAVING...= Trying to Stay Saved, and they will teach you that "Christianity is all about sinning, confessing, repeat".
Its not.

You also "confess" because that helps you out of your guilt trip.......most of all. Its your ritual. You do something that offends your conscience, then you feel horrible that you did it for the 35th time, and you cry, probably, and you confess to God, again, and by the next day, you feel better, and by day 3, you are good to go, and by day 7, you did it again, and back to the confession guilt trip remedy you go.
Thing is..
"Jesus is the one time eternal sacrifice for ALL sin"....

Here is what is literally happening. You are confessing, while God is wondering why you dont learn some BIBLE and get your FAITH RIGHT .
The Clock is ticking.....

4.) Now, ive no doubt that some people will come to this THREAD.... and demand that you are to confess, as they do, habitually.
Just tell them that you'd rather Praise Beautiful Jesus instead for taking your sin and dying for them all so that you can be redeemed, forgiven, and have become ""IN CHRIST"..where no sin is ever found.

Spend your time thanking God for Salvation instead of wasting time confessing what Christ has already died AS.. = "as God has made Jesus to be sin for us".

Are you born again, ????? then there go your sin., as "God has made Jesus to be sin for us". = That is the CROSS OF CHRIST.
If you're not born again, then confess and repent 1 John 1:9. and Christ will die for yours also....and then you will become 1 John 3:9

And one more.
John the Apostle does not have any sin. Nor does Paul and that is why Paul never says a word, a verse, or even hints that he confesses "sin", as a born again believer. Not ONCE, in any Epistle, and he wrote most of the NT Epistles, Saint.
How do you know Paul doesn't "confess" sin? "Because God made Jesus to be sin for US"... and Paul should know, as PAUL WROTE THE VERSE......
So Learn that these PREACHERS sometimes preached to the lost, and they would say.."WE", when they literally meant, "them".

Paul does this also in Hebrews 10 as in those verses Paul also says to some unsaved HEBREWS.. "we", but He's not the one who is "willfully sinning". and "trodding underfoot the Blood of Christ". = THEY ARE... they are the "WE"....>not Paul who is PREACHING the Blood of Jesus as the Cross of Yeshua Their MESSIAH..... to these hateful Christ rejecting HEBREWS (unsaved jews).

So, you have to learn something about "rightly dividing the word" or you will literally damn yourself with verses that are not pointed at "the body of Christ"...
Very important that you understand that Theological reality.

Sinless perfection dressed in new rags that are just as much a lies as all the previous fashions. 1 JOhn 1:9 is specifically for believers! When we walk in the Spirit we cannot sin. but every Christian, including you, sometimes reverts back to the flesh and that is sin!
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

[Behold]

It is not referring to suicide.

Where did you get "suicide"?

And why do you obsess on sin, if you are born again?

here are no sins on the born again.. They are all on Christ, on the Cross. as "God hath made Jesus to be sin for us".
The born again are "made Free from sin"...... and God does not charge sin to the born again..

Romans 4:8
2 Corinthians 5:19

There is no more spiritual death for the Born again.
Spiritual death is "in Adam" and the Born again are "In Christ".
Christ is Eternal life, and all the born again have eternal life by being 'In Christ".

 

[Behold]

You are teaching the false doctrine of having your cake and eating it too!

I teach Christ Crucified for the sin of us all,

Pauline Theology

2 Corinthians 5:19

And, when we believe in Jesus, God gives us Eternal life, and Righteousness.
We get it the second we believe.....as Jesus said if we believe in Him, He gives us eternal life.
Yet....We have not gone out and "abided" or kept commandments, or tried to be good, yet.

Do you understand this, 1stCenturyLady?

See, God takes us based only on the Cross, "while we are yet sinners"..
The born again, are "in Christ" "one with God". already, as soon as God accepted their Faith.

So, its ungodly theology for you to teach that a born again person has to go out and by behavior try to keep what God has already supplied, as the new birth.

Being born again, is the only reason you go to heaven, because its the only reason a Christian is already there, "seated in heavenly places" "in Christ".
There is no earning it or keeping THAT, by self effort, as being born again is God caused and God created.

How you behave later after you are born again, has no impact on "the new creation" "In Christ". = has no impact on your Salvation.
But it will be reflected in your walk of faith and your discipleship.
Behavior , after you are born again, only reflects if your faith is correct, or not.

Regarding a born again Christian.....If their faith is broken, then the person believes that they can lose their salvation., and they try to perform for God so that He would accept them, because they dont understand that God only accepts us through the Cross of Christ.

See, we stay saved for the very reason we became saved.
The Blood of Jesus and the death of Christ= that is the Eternal Redemption that is the Grace of God, = "The Gift of Salvation".

 

[Behold]

Sinless perfection dressed in new rags that are just as much a lies as all the previous fashions. 1 JOhn 1:9 is specifically for believers!

Its Net Chaplin that teaches that Christianity is "you are supposed to sin and confess".

He's not telling you the truth Ronald, and you should not follow his teaching.

Instead you should do this..

Paul told you, ""be a follower of ME.......as i follow Christ".

And then, spend the rest of your life learning what Paul teaches, and when you do, you'll find that what you thought was Christianity, isn't.

See, Paul said that Jesus does this for us..

"Christ always gives me the Victory"
"I can do all things through Christ"..

So, does that sound like you are supposed to be "sometimes sinning"?

Listen...
The born again spirit, that is "in Christ", "one with God", and "made righteous", is the Son/Daughter of God.

The ""New Creation in Christ"", is not your body or your mind....its your Born again Spirit.

The Born Again Spirit, that is the Son of God, is "one with God"......"In Christ", and there is no sin found there.

So, if a believer says they have sin, then they are denying that ....."God made Jesus to be sin for us".

They are denying that "Jesus is the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"

They are denying why Jesus died on the Cross.

They are not understanding that "the old man of sin is crucified with Christ" and you are to "reckon it Dead".

They can't understand that "being now made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness". is real Christianity.

 

[Stumpmaster]

You probably need to repent, as i find that people who are always talking about repenting, also need to repent.
I dont need to repent.
But you go right ahead, Stumpmaster.

The Sin That Entangles, The Chastening Of The Lord, and The Fruit Of Righteousness.

Heb 12:1-11 Therefore let’s also, seeing we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let’s run with perseverance the race that is set before us, (2) looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising its shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. (3) For consider him who has endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, that you don’t grow weary, fainting in your souls. (4) You have not yet resisted to blood, striving against sin; (5) and you have forgotten the exhortation which reasons with you as with children, “My son, don’t take lightly the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are reproved by him; (6) For whom the Lord loves, he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives.” (7) It is for discipline that you endure. God deals with you as with children, for what son is there whom his father doesn’t discipline? (8) But if you are without discipline, of which all have been made partakers, then are you illegitimate, and not children. (9) Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? (10) For they indeed, for a few days, punished us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness. (11) All chastening seems for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been exercised thereby.

 

[Behold]

The Sin That Entangles, The Chastening Of The Lord, and The Fruit Of Righteousness.

Heb 12:6

Apparently you have not lay'd aside that sin, yet....Stumpmaster.

Paul teaches you how to do it., and many of my Threads teach Paul's doctrine.... and if'll you listen, you'll end up like Paul.

"Christ Always Gives me the Victory"...over your flesh, the world, and the Devil.


Also, Hebrews 12:6, does not say you are judged for Sin.
It says you are corrected/chastised by Father God, to bring out of you what has to go, so that the fruit of Holiness is developed.
"Sin" isn't being removed.....What is being removed is your "flesh", and that can be many things...
See, the verse talks about being "condemned with the world" and that can't be talking about sin, because the born again are "freed from sin" and forgiven their sin......because "God has made Jesus to be sin for us" On the Cross.
Did you know this, Stumpmaster?
So.... each person has some strongholds of wrong thinking, wrong desires, and this has to go......

You might want to get a bible and read more about that situation.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I teach Christ Crucified for the sin of us all,

Pauline Theology

2 Corinthians 5:19

And, when we believe in Jesus, God gives us Eternal life, and Righteousness.
We get it the second we believe.....as Jesus said if we believe in Him, He gives us eternal life.
Yet....We have not gone out and "abided" or kept commandments, or tried to be good, yet.

Do you understand this, 1stCenturyLady?

See, God takes us based only on the Cross, "while we are yet sinners"..
The born again, are "in Christ" "one with God". already, as soon as God accepted their Faith.

So, its ungodly theology for you to teach that a born again person has to go out and by behavior try to keep what God has already supplied, as the new birth.

Being born again, is the only reason you go to heaven, because its the only reason a Christian is already there, "seated in heavenly places" "in Christ".
There is no earning it or keeping THAT, by self effort, as being born again is God caused and God created.

How you behave later after you are born again, has no impact on "the new creation" "In Christ". = has no impact on your Salvation.
But it will be reflected in your walk of faith and your discipleship.
Behavior , after you are born again, only reflects if your faith is correct, or not.

Regarding a born again Christian.....If their faith is broken, then the person believes that they can lose their salvation., and they try to perform for God so that He would accept them, because they dont understand that God only accepts us through the Cross of Christ.

See, we stay saved for the very reason we became saved.
The Blood of Jesus and the death of Christ= that is the Eternal Redemption that is the Grace of God, = "The Gift of Salvation".

Paul also warns us to not quench the Spirit. Why, if quenching the Spirit doesn't hurt our salvation and us going to heaven?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Apparently you have not lay'd aside that sin, yet....Stumpmaster.

Paul teaches you how to do it., and many of my Threads teach Paul's doctrine.... and if'll you listen, you'll end up like Paul.

"Christ Always Gives me the Victory"...over your flesh, the world, and the Devil.


Also, Hebrews 12:6, does not say you are judged for Sin.
It says you are corrected/chastised by Father God, to bring out of you what has to go, so that the fruit of Holiness is developed.
"Sin" isn't being removed.....What is being removed is your "flesh", and that can be many things...
See, the verse talks about being "condemned with the world" and that can't be talking about sin, because the born again are "freed from sin" and forgiven their sin......because "God has made Jesus to be sin for us" On the Cross.
Did you know this, Stumpmaster?
So.... each person has some strongholds of wrong thinking, wrong desires, and this has to go......

You might want to get a bible and read more about that situation.

Assertions that Christians cannot and do not sin are obviously false.

The Lord's Prayer still applies and implies that Christians are capable of sinning. In fact, one of the lines in the prayer is “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” This line acknowledges that Christians may sin and need forgiveness.

Those who assert that Christians cannot and do not sin need not be concerned about Christians who disagree with them as this is not a sin.

 

[Behold]

Assertions that Christians cannot and do not sin are obviously false.

The "Christian" is the born again "new Creation in Christ".

This is not your body or your mind.

So, as you dont understand this, you'll not understand :

1 John 3:9

 

[Behold]

Paul also warns us to not quench the Spirit. Why, if quenching the Spirit doesn't hurt our salvation and us going to heaven?

Paul does not teach that quenching the Spirit is to lose Salvaiton.

A heretic would teach it, however.

If you read the verse, the context is tied to Prophecies.... so, this is all related to the move of the Spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Its Net Chaplin that teaches that Christianity is "you are supposed to sin and confess".

He's not telling you the truth Ronald, and you should not follow his teaching.

Instead you should do this..

Paul told you, ""be a follower of ME.......as i follow Christ".

And then, spend the rest of your life learning what Paul teaches, and when you do, you'll find that what you thought was Christianity, isn't.

See, Paul said that Jesus does this for us..

"Christ always gives me the Victory"
"I can do all things through Christ"..

So, does that sound like you are supposed to be "sometimes sinning"?

Listen...
The born again spirit, that is "in Christ", "one with God", and "made righteous", is the Son/Daughter of God.

The ""New Creation in Christ"", is not your body or your mind....its your Born again Spirit.

The Born Again Spirit, that is the Son of God, is "one with God"......"In Christ", and there is no sin found there.

So, if a believer says they have sin, then they are denying that ....."God made Jesus to be sin for us".

They are denying that "Jesus is the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"

They are denying why Jesus died on the Cross.

They are not understanding that "the old man of sin is crucified with Christ" and you are to "reckon it Dead".

They can't understand that "being now made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness". is real Christianity.

Most of what you say is true.

I have no clue who net chaplain is.

I know John wrote that letter to believers, not the world.

We are to reckon the old man dead. We no longer have to obey its lusts. but teh reality is- no one lives a sinlessly perfect life- that is a lie form Satan.

Even JOhn declared that:

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Yes being born again is making the spirit alive again that was dead in trespasses and sins. and yes when we walk in the spirit we cannot sin.

But no one who has ever lived has walked in teh spirit 24/7 all the time. that is why god gave us 1 John 1:9 so we can have our experience cleansed. these do not lead to a loss of relationship- but a loss of fellowship.

It is you who has been snookered by the spirit of this age in thinking you no longer sin.

We are not to encourage or promote sin ever. but God has given us a provision when we do sin. That is all part of the Grace Jesus gained for us when He shed His blood on our behalf.

 

[Behold]

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If you have sin, then Jesus didnt die for your's yet.

See, Jesus is the "ONE TIME Eternal sacrifice for sin".... So if you 'Have sin", then Jesus hasn't paid for them yet.

Paul said you are 'freed from sin", ......and that is a multi-layered, revelation.

1.) "God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"..

2.) "Jesus is the one time eternal sacrifice for sin"

3..) Only the law can define your wrong deeds as sin, and "Christ is the end of the Law for Righteousess"

4.) "He that is DEAD... (the old man is CRUCIFIED with Christ).........is FREED from sin.""

5.) "you are not under the law, but under GRACE"

6.) "where sin abounds, GRACE more abounds"......and the Grace of God is the Blood of Jesus that removes all sin, always.


Welcome to : Salvation.

Its a "Gift".


Notice... The born again are In Christ and One with God.

You can't have SIN, and be "in Christ"...>"one with God"... and "seated in Heavenly Places"


So, your understanding of "the new creation is Christ" is missing, and that is why you can't see yourself as born again, yet.

God only sees you as the Born Again, New Creation, "made righteous".
You have to get that same perspective, as that is the "renewed mind"., that Paul teaches that we have to have, always.