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Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Robert Gwin, Nov 1, 2021.

Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth?

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  1. Robert Gwin

    Robert Gwin Well-Known Member

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    I do not disagree that the two share that description sir, I simply disagree that they are the same individual. I agree with the Bible that Jehovah is God, and Jesus is His son

    They are first and last at different things as well Ron
     
  2. BARNEY BRIGHT

    BARNEY BRIGHT Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it's like you're a person saying there is no gravity when all the evidence points there is gravity. All the evidence points that you're claiming by the way you're reasoning on the scriptures, that sin and death source are from the True God, no matter how much you want to ignore the evidence that you're doing that. I'll always disagree with you because you're ignoring those facts by the way you reason on the scriptures, and yes I'll keep repeating those facts because I disagree with how you're reasoning on the scriptures.
     
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    Ronald Nolette Well-Known Member

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    I never said they are the same individual. Go back and read my post carefully this time. And Jesus is also called Jehovah! Teh father is the first and last and Jesus is the first and last!

    Jesus said he was one with His Father- that is not the JW mistranslation meaning united or in union.
     
  4. Robert Gwin

    Robert Gwin Well-Known Member

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    Really? Jn 17:22 I believe Jesus sir not you. Fact is Jesus is never called Jehovah, in the Bible anyway.
     
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    keithr Active Member

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    A new thread (Adam, a picture of Christ) reminded me of Romans 5:14 (MKJV):

    (14) But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is the type of Him who was to come;​
     
  6. BARNEY BRIGHT

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    The type that Jesus came was as a perfect human like the first Adam was when he was created but before he sinned. So Jesus came as a sinless human like Adam the first human, Jesus came without a sinful nature like Adam the first human, Jesus came without spot or blemish like Adam the first human. However the first human Adam didn't maintain that state of being sinless, or without a sinful nature, or without spot or blemish. Instead he caused himself to be sinful, with a sinful nature, and he became spotted and blemished. The first Adam sold himself and his offspring into slavery to sin and death. (Romans 7:14) The first Adam murdered his offspring because not only did Adam throw his eternal life away but he also threw away eternal life for his offspring. When the Only Begotten Son of God Jesus came as a type like the first human Adam Jesus maintained that state of being sinless, and maintained being without having a sinful nature and he remained without spot or blemish up to his death, Jesus not only proved that Adam, the first human, was capable of remaining sinless and remaining without a sinful nature, and that he could have remained without spot or blemish but Jesus bought back Adams offspring that the first Adam sold into slavery to sin and death. Adam the first human chose to deliberately sell himself and his offspring into sin and death but that doesn't mean that Adam the first human didn't have the ability to remain sinless, or without a sinful nature or without spot or blemish, he could have chosen to be obedient to the True God.
    The scriptures show that the ransom sacrifice doesn't apply to all humans because the scriptures show that anyone who blasphemes against God's Holy Spirit will not be saved. This explains scriptures like Matthew 20:28 that say: "Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and give his life a ransom in exchange for many." This scripture shows us the ransom sacrifice was given to mankind in general but it's application would be limited to only those who deserved it. God has the right to refuse to accept a ransom for anyone he deems unworthy of that ransom sacrifice. Romans 5:12 shows that Adam by his deliberate act of disobedience condemned all mankind to death. Adam presumptuously robbed us, his offspring, to decide for ourselves. None of us who are Adams offspring had a say in the matter that Adam chose for everyone.
    The scriptures at Hebrews 10:26-29 show that those who practice sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth can't be forgiven. The scriptures that concern people like Hebrews 10:26-29 are about people who know the truth and then knowingly, willfully, and deliberately are disobedient to the True God. The scriptures that talk of those who are beyond salvation these scriptures are about divine principles concerning the True God. These devine principles have always existed with the True God and have always been a part of who the True God is, and God doesn't change. Adam and Eve will not be forgiven, they knew the truth and both threw it away. Adam did it deliberately, Eve threw it all away because she wanted to be a goddess, something she didn't have the right to even desire.
     
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    What makes you think that Adam knew "the truth"? All God had told him, according to what is written in Genesis, is that if he ate from tree in the middle of the garden then he would die. He was told this before God had created Eve, so at that point there was no hint or possibility that he would have offspring. There was no mention of him being responsible for the death of all his potential offspring if he ate from the tree. It was only after Eve was created that God told them to “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it.” (Genesis 1:28). It is unclear whether God told them this before or after they had sinned, although Genesis 4:1, which occurs after they had sinned, is the first mention of Adam and Eve mating and having a child, so I suspect that God told them to "be fruitful" after they had sinned.
     
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    Robert have you come to your own conclusion about this?


    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?
     
  9. robert derrick

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    Jesus was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob before coming down from heaven to become a man made of a woman, and now He's the risen God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

    ANd His offspring are the children of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

    First the natural seed that believed and obeyed Him, and now all seed of flesh that believe and obey Him.

    Once we understand that, it all falls into place nice and neat.

    Everything else is confusion.

    He also took on Himself the form of man as Melchisedec meeting with Abraham from the slaughter of the kings, visiting Sodom to judge them, and wrestling with Jacob to bless him.

    He named Himself to be called Jesus, before coming in the flesh, and He learned obedience as Jacob, when He wrestled with the flesh to not go to the cross.
     
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    robert derrick Well-Known Member

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    All this christ-created stuff is just carnal minded confusion mixed with Scripture.

    I really don't understand why anyone naming the name of Jesus would want to go there.

    But it is what it is.

    Pride is probably the answer. People always want to feel special about what they think, such as some mystical 1911 'awakening' or something.

    And there never was any 'lost' tribes of Israel.

    The northern kingdom was destroyed and ceased to exist a long time ago.

    Everything else is fantasy.
     
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