Do you suppose they considered Jesus to be heretical?I think the Pharisees got full of their position in society. They knew that a Messiah was prophesized and decided they would be the ones to choose him.
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Do you suppose they considered Jesus to be heretical?I think the Pharisees got full of their position in society. They knew that a Messiah was prophesized and decided they would be the ones to choose him.
Luke 12:51
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
Interesting to see what a struggle it is for forum posters to understand this.I presume for being heretics.
Interesting to see what a struggle it is for forum posters to understand this.
@St. SteVen, @Patrick1966,
Don't you believe that universalism is heretical?
Did Jesus ever teach that before? Or did he teach separation between believers and unbelievers? Didn't the apostles also teach, separation?
God separated the light and the darkness. John the beloved talks about separation from unbelievers and believers in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?
Do you suppose they considered Jesus to be heretical?
Don't drag me in here against my will.Do you agree that anyone who says that Jesus doesn't torture people forever is a heretic?
Isn't it God's will that Jesus save all?Don't drag me in here against my will.
J.
What did I just tell you?Isn't it God's will that Jesus save all?
Could God save everyone if He wanted to? Alas, BILLIONS will burn in Hell fire "forever and ever".Isn't it God's will that Jesus save all?
The other question would be...Isn't it God's will that Jesus save all?
Any teaching opposite of the Catholic Magisterium.What is heresy from the Catholic perspective?
How does it differ from a Protestant perspective?
Do both agree on infant baptism, for instance?
Don't drag me into this blasphemous thread.The other question would be...
Was the Atonement complete, or only partially effective?
But this has already been shared with @Johann
Evidently he doesn't believe it to be true?
1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
I think that we should becareful in discerning John 6:39. Though the shed blood of Christ is the atonement made available for and to all people, one should not think that EVERYONE shall be saved.Most Christians today believe that some of Jesus's teachings are heretical.
For instance, they don't believe that Jesus will "lose nothing". They believe that Jesus is a loser and is incapable of saving the lost and so he sends them to a place of forever punishment. In fact, the orthodoxy of Christianity is that Jesus FOREVER tortures most of the people who ever lived.
John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
Was Jesus a heretic? Absolutely. @St. SteVen and I are routinely called heretics here for believing what Jesus said in John 6:39 along with many other verses.
heretic
noun
her·e·tic ˈher-ə-ˌtik
ˈhe-rə-
Synonyms of heretic
1
religion : a person who differs in opinion from established religious dogma (see DOGMA sense 2)
especially : a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church who refuses to acknowledge or accept a revealed truth
The church regards them as heretics.
2
: one who differs in opinion from an accepted belief or doctrine : NONCONFORMIST
No, the Apostles were not teaching heresy. They were teaching what Christ taught them. Were the teachings of Christ heretical (opposite of the teaching of God)?This is a misunderstanding of the term "heresy".
The reason for this thread.
Heresy does NOT equal false.
And YES, the Apostles WERE teaching heresy. Why were they persecuted?
Nope, I do not misunderstand. Jesus teaching was the Truth. The Jews rejected the Truth therefor they were heretical.I believe you misunderstand the definition of heretical. Being a heretic is about teaching things that are contrary to the accepted norm of orthodoxy.
For example, in Jesus's day the orthodoxy of the Sabbath was that nobody worked NO MATTER WHAT and, of course, Jesus taught something different which was "heretical" to the accepted doctrine of that time.
As Fundamentalists see it, baptism is not a sacrament, but an ordinance. It does not in any way convey the grace it symbolizes; rather, it is merely a public manifestation of the person’s conversion. Since only an adult or older child can be converted, baptism is inappropriate for infants or for children who have not yet reached the age of reason (generally considered to be age seven). Most Fundamentalists say that during the years before they reach the age of reason infants and young children are automatically saved. Only once a person reaches the age of reason does he need to “accept Jesus” in order to reach heaven.No, both do not agree on infant baptism. Although some Protestants practice infant baptism.
Do you believe the Bible proclaims objective truth?This seems to be a misunderstanding of the term "heretical".
What you meant was "true"?
Heretical is determined by the status quo, or what we might call the "orthodox" position, or understanding.
This is the reason for this topic. I see a lot of fine folks throwing these terms around without a clue what they mean.
Heretical has nothing to do with true or false from my perspective.
More like approved of, or disapproved of, by the tribe.
Divine inspiration anyone?Especially 20 or 30 years after the events, when they got around to writing their accounts.
(assuming they actually did) Having shared the stories verbally up to that point.
I certainly don't trust my own memory of events 20 to 30 years ago. Do you?