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Gal 1:6-7 NIV I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
 

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Gal 2:4 NIV [This matter arose] because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.

Gal 2:21 NIV I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

John 8:34-36 NIV Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
 

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ATP said:
Gal 1:6-7 NIV I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
OSAS is perverted gospel, dear.
 

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Joyful said:
OSAS is perverted gospel, dear.
John 8:34-36 NIV Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
 

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John 8:34-36 NIV Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
This verse is not proof of OSAS.

Nice try.
 

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ATP said:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/forever?s=t

John 8:34-36 NIV Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
You can quote the verses all you want. All you are doing is meaningless quoting. Jesus nor any of His apostles did not teach OSAS. You are twisting the verses to suit your own agenda.
 

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You can quote the verses all you want. All you are doing is meaningless quoting. Jesus nor any of His apostles did not teach OSAS. You are twisting the verses to suit your own agenda.
I'm twisting the definition of forever? :rolleyes:
 

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Gal 3:1-5 NIV You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4 Have you suffered so much for nothing--if it really was for nothing? 5 Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?

John 6:47 NIV I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.
 

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Gal 3:13 NIV Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
 

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Gal 3:6-7 NIV Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." 7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.
 

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Joyful said:
You are putting the word into our mouths.

We are God's messengers.

We are pointing out what you OSAS people disregarding to justify your own man-made doctrines.

No one has right to spread half truth gospel.


I know you don't want the whole truth to be revealed. Your tactic is obvious that you want the whole truth to be silenced.
So again you use the tactic of straw-man argument...then you malign me again.

Honestly I have been patient and kind with our discussion thus far. Your comment "I know you don't want the whole truth to be revealed. Your tactic is obvious that you want the whole truth to be silenced" is an attack and a defamation of my character.

You are technically violating the forum rules of flaming and goading...

Please consider this a warning without the point...
 

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Joyful said:
No one is claiming innocence. How many times do we have to tell you. Please don't make false accusation. It is so unchristian like.

We have been claiming we are so imperfect. We are sinners. In fact, it is you, OSAS believers claim to be saved and cannot sin because Jesus took care of it.

I don't claim to be saved because it is Jesus who judges if I will be saved or not.

Lets make the facts straight.
And here you are the one making false accusations...please heed your own advice.

I will say this a third time, I have never revealed my position regarding OSAS...
 

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Gal 4:7 NIV So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
 

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Gal 4:9 NIV But now that you know God--or rather are known by God--how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?
 

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Gal 4:30-31 NIV But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son." 31 Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
 

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The kingdom of God would be separated from them and that mean no reward of eternal life for them from the tree of life.
ATP said:
Where in those passages do you see the words kingdom of God.

Scripture clearly says that once we believe we have eternal life John 3:14-15 NIV, John 3:16 NIV, John 5:24 NIV, John 6:40 NIV, John 6:47 NIV, Acts 13:46-48 NIV, Eph 1:13-14 NIV, Tit 3:7 NIV, 1 John 5:13-14 NIV. If you scroll down a couple passages to Rev 2:7 NIV, how are we victorious? By believing in the Son of God....

1 John 5:4-5 NIV for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the
Son of God.
Well if you have the church taken away from you then you don't have a connection with heaven.

Jesus is the head of the church and we are to be the body(the church).

If a body church lose the head then it will die.

That Ephesus church was about to lose it all.
 

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Well if you have the church taken away from you then you don't have a connection with heaven.

Jesus is the head of the church and we are to be the body(the church).

If a body church lose the head then it will die.

That Ephesus church was about to lose it all.
Wouldn't that make God a liar and contradictory though.
Scripture says once we believe we have eternal life.
Maybe Rev 2 is not referring to individual salvation, rather the pride of the church.

Lucifer fell because of pride too..Rev 2:5 NIV Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.
 

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I will say this a third time, I have never revealed my position regarding OSAS...
I already asked you if you are OSAS and why the secret? I don't blame you for not coming out because it is deceptive teaching.

You have been refusing to accept Jesus' command of being faithful to Him for salvation. That is OSAS teaching, dear.
 

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I already asked you if you are OSAS and why the secret? I don't blame you for not coming out because it is deceptive teaching.

You have been refusing to accept Jesus' command of being faithful to Him for salvation. That is OSAS teaching, dear.
How do you know he's been refusing. justaname told you multiple times that he hasn't told you his position.