WHAT ALMOST ALL PREMILLENNIALISTS DO NOT NOTICE OR REFUSE TO SEE

[Timtofly]

Notice this does not tell us they came to life AGAIN as Premillennialists want us to believe. Since non shall be resurrected physically to life again before an hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds and time shall be no longer, "they came to life" has to be spiritually. They were dead spiritually in trespasses and sins but then they heard the Gospel of Christ proclaimed in the power of the holy Spirit and they came to spiritual life through Him.

"They lived and reigned."

Why does it have to say: they lived and reigned again?

They were physically dead before they stood before thrones. They were called souls. That means they were waiting for a physical body. So when it says, they lived and reigned, that means they were given physical bodies. Then John says that is the first resurrection.

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

John first sees thrones for judgment, not beheaded people sitting on them. Then he sees those dead standing in judgment. They were given the first resurrection. They were dead, because John compared them to the rest of the dead. The word "rest", would not make sense, if all were physically alive.

You have to remember that these dead were judged soon after the battle of Armageddon, where every single human who was spiritually dead were now physically dead. Those beheaded, were physically beheaded in the prior 42 months as well. So after Armageddon, all are dead. Satan is the only one not dead, or cast into the LOF. Satan is bound. Then those physically beheaded souls stand in judgment before those thrones. So a very different judgment than the rest of the dead. The first resurrection is a physical resurrection. The rest of the dead were not physically raised at that point.

Notice thrones, plural, before the thousand years. One throne after the thousand years. After the Day of the Lord, those thrones, plural, will not exist. All that has to do with this creation ceases after Satan is cast into the LOF. All that is left is death and sheol. And they are cast into the LOF.

Those beheaded were raised and then ruled with King Jesus for a thousand years. There is nothing in this chapter stating people constantly are being beheaded and given a first spiritual resurrection day after day for a thousand years.

 

[WPM]

None of that means Satan was bound for any amount of time.

The Gospel was a light in the darkness. No one is denying that point. You are changing the point about the Gospel, and inserting something else.

I didn't say it did. You find that in other NT Scripture. Jesus showed us He bound the strongman 2000 years ago. You reject that. Your fight is with Him. Genesis 3:15 predicted, “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

This is metaphoric language predicting the impairment of the devil through the earthly ministry of the Messiah. Satan was going to be spiritually incapacitated through the work of Christ. We see two amazing things in this prophecy, first, a profound picture of the cross, and second, the acute effect that it had upon the devil. This prophecy is a remarkable forecast of Calvary and the consequence of Christ’s atoning sacrifice on the enemy. It also addresses the incapacitating fate that befalls Satan. This shows that Satan’s ability to function has been impaired. His power and that of his deluded minions is restricted through the preaching of the Gospel and the advance of the kingdom of God. Satan’s power and his movement has been restrained, albeit not completely.

Significantly, the first prophecy of Christ and His coming and the devil and his doom in Scripture is a symbolic one with a literal interpretation. This is surely something Bible students should carefully note. It is also worth noting that nowhere in this well-known prophetic passage does it predict that Satan would be destroyed at Calvary – that is still to come – but that he would be restricted in his operations through the spiritual brain damage he would sustain there.

The bruising of Satan’s head by Christ broke the unchallenged sway of the devil over the nations. Jesus destroyed the incredible lordship that Satan had on the human race and plundered his house of countless souls. Since the cross, numerous Gentiles have been set free from their blindness and bondage. They have been delivered into the kingdom of God. In doing this, Christ destroyed the claims, authority and ownership that Satan had over the nations. Jesus made a way of escape for the Gentiles out of the kingdom of Satan. The power and influence Satan once had over the Gentiles was assaulted through the earthly ministry of Christ. This curtailed the devil, allowing the free-flow of the Gospel across the world. Christ battered Satan’s house, damaged his authority, limiting the scale of his influence. He indeed destroyed the overwhelming claims and ownership that Satan had over the Gentile people.

Matthew 12:22-29 records, “Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind (Gr. deo) the strong man? And then he will spoil his house.”

The “strong man” here is Satan. His “house” is the dark area of spiritual influence that Satan rules over in the kingdom of darkness. His “goods” are the humans he enslaves in bondage and servitude. To “spoil his house” and “spoil his goods” is to conquer those who are enslaved under the devil’s control and liberate them into the kingdom of God.

Obviously, the fact that Jesus cast out devils by the Spirit of God demonstrated that the promised kingdom of God has already come. This parable confirms that the liberating of the elect could not happen “except he first bind the strong man.” According to Christ, this deliverance from captivity could not happen before Satan was spiritually bound. The binding therefore had to precede the liberation of the redeemed and was definitely not delayed 2000 years+ until the second coming as Premillennialists would wrongly argue. This all occurred through the earthly ministry of Christ.

He came to the strong man's house (this sinful world) and spiritually chained Satan. He is like a dog on a leash that will only harm those that foolishly get close to him. He has power and movement but it is restrained and limited since the ministry of Christ. The devil was subject to the purposes of God and hurt by the spiritual advance of the kingdom of God. This kingdom is still alive and active today. Souls are still being marvellously delivered from the power of Satan. The binding of the strong man continues today wherever the Gospel prevails.

Mark 3:11, 23-27 also records: “unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God ... And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind (Gr. deo) the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”

Christ’s earthly ministry expressly bound Satan and damaged his wicked house on this earth. This was indeed what was prophesied in the Garden of Eden. It didn’t say that the cross would destroy him, but hamper him in his schemes. His head was bruised by the supernatural punch of Christ.

The Lord confronted Satan head on in his own backyard and soundly defeated him. Everywhere that Christ went, demons were subject to his every word. This authority was in turn delegated to his disciples who operated this same spiritual power were ever they gone. His servants enforced his authority casting many demons out and seeing many men and women delivered from the power of Satan to the power of God. This was unprecedented. God's people, as a whole, had now power over the enemy.

Significantly, the Greek word deo (Strong’s 1210) employed here is the exact same word used in Revelation 20 which means to bind in either a literal or a spiritual sense. This is what happened everywhere the kingdom of God was seen, the kingdom of darkness was suppressed. Moreover, at Calvary, Satan’s power to deceive the nations was spiritual bound or curtailed by the finished and victorious work of Christ. Revelation 20:2-3 states, “And he (Christ) laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and (Gr. deo) bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the abyss, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more.”

 

[Timtofly]

Yes. Jesus told you about a second death. Don't you believe Him?

The second death can only come after the resurrection of all the dead.

The regeneration of the creation is the regeneration of the creation. It comes when Christ returns. The second death comes after that.

Nope. Current Jerusalem is in bondage with her children. Don't you read scripture before you post? New Jerusalem is called the beloved city and the camp of the saints and the holy city and it will be surrounded by the armies of Gog-Magog.

No other city is called the holy city in the Revelation. Only New Jerusalem.

Nope. Those who are resurrected when Christ returns will have their tears and sorrow wiped away. They are promised this by Jesus in Revelation 7:15-17.​

The second death is into the LOF. Isaiah is not talking about a second death. Isaiah is talking about a physical death after being born, during the millennium, so the first death. Why are people allowed to disobey and die in the New Jerusalem or the New Earth?

Current Jerusalem will be geographically changed per Zechariah 14 at the Second Coming, the 6th Seal event. That is when current Jerusalem is made forever joyful, after all the death is removed, so the Day of the Lord can start.

New Jerusalem is not called the beloved city nor camp of the saints. You accuse Amil of using eisegesis to insert thoughts into the chapter, and then turn around and do so yourself.

There will be tens of billions of people born during the Day of the Lord. Then many killed after the Day of the Lord. That is when the tears will be wiped away. A different set of people born in a different time than we have today. Those not born in the Day of the Lord will not need their tears wiped away. That was done at the Second Coming.

Heaven and earth pass away after Satan is tossed into the LOF, not a thousand years prior to the casting of Satan into the LOF.

Those ruling are only said to for a thousand years. Why would they suddenly stop reigning and are now forced to do something else if something had not changed?

It is my opinion that those beheaded along with the sheep and wheat, are not the church. They may be a wife separate from the church, but they rule over their families, so procreation is a must during the Day of the Lord. It is disobedient offspring throughout many generations, to whom Isaiah is referring to who will be placed in death as sinners. Those living on earth cannot be the church. The church are those who are now like the angels, since the OT resurrection at the Cross. Those who have been living in Paradise for 2 millennia are like the angels and do not procreate. They are already the result of procreation from the time spent on earth. The last 6 millennia of offspring from Adam and Eve, now living in Paradise, has filled up Paradise as Adam and Eve were supposed to do, but were fired. Their offspring filled up Paradise through the Redemption of the Cross through Jesus.

So the church has filled up Paradise which comes down as the New Jerusalem after the Day of the Lord. The final harvest of those chosen who are still on the earth after the Second Coming, gathered by the angels, including the 144k, are those who subdue the earth during the Day of the Lord under the direct kingship of Jesus from current Jerusalem. The task of filling up Paradise ends at the Second Coming. The task of completing Genesis 1:28 is what the Day of the Lord is for.

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

So in order for there to be nations on the New Earth, the Day of the Lord is that growth for a thousand years. Those living on earth during the Day of the Lord are not in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. They have God's permanent incorruptible physical body, that those in Paradise have been enjoying since the Cross. The difference is that they will procreate and subdue the earth along with their offspring like Isaiah 65 tells us. There is no sin and decay, but there is the natural order of plants growing and dying seasonally. Plants that will never die like grapes and fruit trees. But like Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15, that Jesus must reign until all things are subdued and brought under subjection. Then that creation will pass away. Those alive on the earth will be alive on the New Earth. Those in Paradise will be transferred into the New Jerusalem and then descend to be with all the nations already established. Not nations that need to be established. For all we know procreation may not be necessary at the start of the NHNE. Will those on the earth be glorified at that point? I don't know.

I just think it is wrong to ignore how Revelation 20 ends and 21 begins, just like Amil ignore how Revelation 19 ends and 20 begins. The Day of the Lord is the must part that has to happen before this creation can end. The end in 1 Corinthians 15 is before the NHNE, because that is the new beginning after the end. Since Paul stated the end, you have to include the end of the NHNE and New Jerusalem in that end, and then what happens in the actual NHNE is anyone's guess, because you included the only information into current creation that will end.

Premil is the point that there is time between the Second Coming and the end in 1 Corinthians 15. But life will not continue like Amil's millennium. No one will be of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Satan can deceive in various ways. But the deception of Eve is why Satan is bound and totally out of the picture. Getting humans to go to battle is the deception at the end.

"that he should deceive the nations no more."

There are all types of deception, but especially disobedience to God like influencing a third of the angels to rebel, and leave the firmament. Or getting Eve to eat against her will. Yes, Satan manipulated Eve's will to get her to see the tree in a different light than the command to not eat, which was the will Eve had up until Satan convinced her otherwise. The Day of the Lord is all about enjoying life, not worrying about disobedience to God.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Avoidance is how Premillennialism survives online.

You're not getting the thrust of the text. Rev 20 is talking about the ignorance of the Gentiles being removed through the great commission. This is a generality, like the examples above that you avoided. The nations are no longer outside of God's covenant of grace. The nations are no longer deceived by spiritual ignorance. They have an opportunity to embrace Christ if they want. Your avoidance of all those above questions is testimony to the fact that you know by answering them honestly would force you to renounce Premillennialism.

I don't know what Bible you are using but your supposed summary of Revelation 20 has nothing to do with the text at all.

 

[CadyandZoe]

How do you reconcile them being bodily resurrected to life again before an hour coming when the last trumpet begins to sound when time shall be no longer? Beheaded saints shall be bodily resurrected at the same hour coming when ALL who are physically dead shall be resurrected.

According to Revelation 20, there is a 1,000-year interval between the day the beheaded is brought back to life and the day the rest of humanity is brought back to life. In other words, there are two resurrections: 1) The resurrection of those who died in Christ and 2) all other people.

The Seventh Trumpet marks the inauguration of the Millennial Period when Jesus comes back to earth to rule over Israel and the nations. Jerusalem will be his capital and Israel shall rule over the rest of the nations. This will last for a thousand years.

Believing the doctrine of Premillennialism you have them being bodily resurrected AGAIN for one thousand years after Christ comes the second time. Scripture does not agree with your doctrine!

Premillennialism doesn't lead to the conclusion you propose.
The following diagram shows the meaning of Revelation 20

A. All of those who are members of the body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:51-53
B. The General resurrection of the dead. John 5:28-29

A --->> 1,000 years --->> B

There is nothing in the text of Revelation 20, nor in the logical implications of Premillennialism, to suggest that those in group A are resurrected again when group B is resurrected.

Beheaded bodies of flesh shall be resurrected from the graves, but only those bodies of flesh that lived and reigned with Christ in time, symbolized a thousand years before they physically died shall be resurrected immortal & incorruptible. While those who in life have no part in Christ's resurrection life shall also be bodily resurrected to stand before the GWTJ to give account unto God according to what is written in the books and the book of life, they shall all be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death.

I see nothing in the text of Revelation 20 indicating that the reader should understand it symbolically.

 

[CadyandZoe]

In John 12:31-33 Christ assuredly predicted shortly before He defeated the power of Satan at the cross, “now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. this he said, signifying what death he should die” (John 12:31-33).

This passage plainly highlights the powerful victory that was wrought at Calvary and the deep impact that it had upon Satan. It shows us that Satan is now under Christ’s feet and is now subject to His Sovereign will. Moreover it highlights the significance it had for the whole world. Jesus here plainly predicted the opening of salvation to all nations, saying, “If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me.” Therefore, the glorious life-giving Gospel of Christ that the nation of Israel alone once enjoyed (at the time of this prophecy) would now soon (through the cross) be graciously offered unto, and received by, a previously blinded Gentile world.

John 12:31 Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.​

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According to Jesus, after his crucifixion and resurrection, "the ruler of this world will be cast out." Cast out from where? One might mistakenly conclude that the ruler of this world would be cast out of this world. But that is not what Jesus meant. Rather, the ruler of this world will/was cast out of heaven.

Revelation 12:7-8 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.​

What does this mean? Since heaven is the location of eternal things and people. To be cast out of heaven is to become mortal and subject to death. Satan was immortal until he was cast out of heaven. According to verse 12, Satan has only a short time left.

Revelation 12:12 For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”​

According to both Peter and Paul, Satan is not bound. He is still working among the population on Earth and he continues to deceive the nations. So as Jesus said, Satan was cast out of heaven. But he continues to deceptively lead humanity toward death.

Ephesians 2:1-2 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.​

 

[CadyandZoe]

The millennial earth you profess contains sin.
The new earth does not contain sin.

The millennial earth you profess contains death.
The new earth does not contain death.

The millennial earth you profess contains corruption.
The new earth does not contain corruption.

The millennial earth you profess contains war and terror.
The new earth does not contain war.

The millennial earth you profess contains tears.
The new earth does not contain tears.

The millennial earth you profess contains Satan.
The new earth does not contain Satan.

The millennial earth you profess contains the wicked.
The new earth does not contain the wicked.

The millennial earth you profess contains rebellion and anarchy.
The new earth does not contain rebellion and anarchy.

Who says that the Millennial Earth is the New Earth? Who says that the Millennial Earth is without sin? It says that Jesus will rule the nations with a Rod of Iron, which indicates that they will not serve him willingly.

 

[rwb]

This hour that you apparently think is involving both the saved and lost rising from the dead during, does it precede or follow what is recorded in the following verse?

It is not that "I" apparently think is "the hour coming" when both those who have done good (saved) and those who have done evil (lost) shall be bodily resurrected. It IS what the verse tells us. Why do you not believe what the passage from John 5 says?

Revelation 19 begins with John hearing a great voice of many people in heaven, the multitude praising God for their salvation. They are in heaven having been judged through the true and righteous judgments of God, who has judged the whore that brought corruption to the earth through fornication, avenging the blood of His servants who died at her hand. Through Christ these faithful saints are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb who has come. As the bride and wife of Christ they are clothed in fine linen, clean and white that represents the righteousness of the saints. (Rev 19:1-10)

Revelation 19:2-10 (KJV) For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

After hearing the great multitude of the redeemed in heaven, John is shown through vision when and how these faithful saints became spiritually the body of Christ in heaven, called living souls. By grace through faith during their lifetime they believed in the blood of the Lamb, who is the Word of God. In life they are the armies of Christ in heaven who faithfully followed Him in time, symbolized a thousand years. Taking the sharp sword that is the Word of God (Gospel) unto all the nations of the world, ruling and reigning with Christ as His rod of iron, the Word of God separating the good from the evil. For He is the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. When the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete after the last Gentile to be saved comes in, they will all be called to the supper of the great God as the fowls of heaven symbolically feast on the flesh of the dead, who gather together to make war against Christ and His mighty army. Then the beast, false prophet and all who are deceived through them, having the mark of the beast, and worshipping him shall be cast alive into the lake of fire with all the remnant of them that were slain (spiritually dead) with the sword of Christ, that is the Word (Gospel) of God that proceeds from the mouth of the army of Christ during this age of time, symbolized a thousand years.

Revelation 19:11-21 (KJV) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Paul describes what shall be at the coming of the Lord. There is an order, not separate times, for the resurrection of the dead with the rapture of those who are still alive when Christ returns. First the saints are physically resurrected immortal and incorruptible from the graves. In the same hour those who have done evil are also bodily resurrected, but only those of faith shall be made immortal and incorruptible. At this time the faithful of the earth who have not physically died are caught up and changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible with the faithful who were dead. Together they meet the Lord in the air and shall then be with Him forever. By being caught up to meet the Lord in the air, the saints of God are not left on this earth as the fire of God's wrath comes down to burn up all that is left alive with the earth.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (KJV) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51-55 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

The Bible is not the contradictory mess that Premillennialism attempts to force it to be. It is one cohesive whole that has NO contradiction.
You lack understanding because you are still looking for physical fulfillment of all that is written, even though Christ very clearly tells us His Kingdom is not NOW physical, cannot be seen with eyes of flesh, and can only be known and entered when we are born again of His Spirit within.

 

[rwb]

"They lived and reigned."

Why does it have to say: they lived and reigned again?

Because that's what Premillennialists keep insisting! How could these martyred saints be physically alive as Premillers insist unless they had been physically raised to life again?

Scripture tells us that none shall be bodily resurrected to physical life AGAIN before the hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds and time shall be no longer.

 

[Timtofly]

I didn't say it did. You find that in other NT Scripture. Jesus showed us He bound the strongman 2000 years ago. You reject that. Your fight is with Him. Genesis 3:15 predicted, “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

This is metaphoric language predicting the impairment of the devil through the earthly ministry of the Messiah. Satan was going to be spiritually incapacitated through the work of Christ. We see two amazing things in this prophecy, first, a profound picture of the cross, and second, the acute effect that it had upon the devil. This prophecy is a remarkable forecast of Calvary and the consequence of Christ’s atoning sacrifice on the enemy. It also addresses the incapacitating fate that befalls Satan. This shows that Satan’s ability to function has been impaired. His power and that of his deluded minions is restricted through the preaching of the Gospel and the advance of the kingdom of God. Satan’s power and his movement has been restrained, albeit not completely.

Significantly, the first prophecy of Christ and His coming and the devil and his doom in Scripture is a symbolic one with a literal interpretation. This is surely something Bible students should carefully note. It is also worth noting that nowhere in this well-known prophetic passage does it predict that Satan would be destroyed at Calvary – that is still to come – but that he would be restricted in his operations through the spiritual brain damage he would sustain there.

The bruising of Satan’s head by Christ broke the unchallenged sway of the devil over the nations. Jesus destroyed the incredible lordship that Satan had on the human race and plundered his house of countless souls. Since the cross, numerous Gentiles have been set free from their blindness and bondage. They have been delivered into the kingdom of God. In doing this, Christ destroyed the claims, authority and ownership that Satan had over the nations. Jesus made a way of escape for the Gentiles out of the kingdom of Satan. The power and influence Satan once had over the Gentiles was assaulted through the earthly ministry of Christ. This curtailed the devil, allowing the free-flow of the Gospel across the world. Christ battered Satan’s house, damaged his authority, limiting the scale of his influence. He indeed destroyed the overwhelming claims and ownership that Satan had over the Gentile people.

Matthew 12:22-29 records, “Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind (Gr. deo) the strong man? And then he will spoil his house.”

The “strong man” here is Satan. His “house” is the dark area of spiritual influence that Satan rules over in the kingdom of darkness. His “goods” are the humans he enslaves in bondage and servitude. To “spoil his house” and “spoil his goods” is to conquer those who are enslaved under the devil’s control and liberate them into the kingdom of God.

Obviously, the fact that Jesus cast out devils by the Spirit of God demonstrated that the promised kingdom of God has already come. This parable confirms that the liberating of the elect could not happen “except he first bind the strong man.” According to Christ, this deliverance from captivity could not happen before Satan was spiritually bound. The binding therefore had to precede the liberation of the redeemed and was definitely not delayed 2000 years+ until the second coming as Premillennialists would wrongly argue. This all occurred through the earthly ministry of Christ.

He came to the strong man's house (this sinful world) and spiritually chained Satan. He is like a dog on a leash that will only harm those that foolishly get close to him. He has power and movement but it is restrained and limited since the ministry of Christ. The devil was subject to the purposes of God and hurt by the spiritual advance of the kingdom of God. This kingdom is still alive and active today. Souls are still being marvellously delivered from the power of Satan. The binding of the strong man continues today wherever the Gospel prevails.

Mark 3:11, 23-27 also records: “unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God ... And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind (Gr. deo) the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”

Christ’s earthly ministry expressly bound Satan and damaged his wicked house on this earth. This was indeed what was prophesied in the Garden of Eden. It didn’t say that the cross would destroy him, but hamper him in his schemes. His head was bruised by the supernatural punch of Christ.

The Lord confronted Satan head on in his own backyard and soundly defeated him. Everywhere that Christ went, demons were subject to his every word. This authority was in turn delegated to his disciples who operated this same spiritual power were ever they gone. His servants enforced his authority casting many demons out and seeing many men and women delivered from the power of Satan to the power of God. This was unprecedented. God's people, as a whole, had now power over the enemy.

Significantly, the Greek word deo (Strong’s 1210) employed here is the exact same word used in Revelation 20 which means to bind in either a literal or a spiritual sense. This is what happened everywhere the kingdom of God was seen, the kingdom of darkness was suppressed. Moreover, at Calvary, Satan’s power to deceive the nations was spiritual bound or curtailed by the finished and victorious work of Christ. Revelation 20:2-3 states, “And he (Christ) laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and (Gr. deo) bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the abyss, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more.”

You will note that during the 3.5 years of Jesus' earthly ministry Satan was bound. Jesus was physically on the earth. That is what Premil claim about the Second Coming. Jesus is on the earth physically now as King. At the 7th Trumpet Jesus is proclaimed King of every nation. Then Satan is bound again for a thousand years.

The point is explicit that when Jesus is physically on the earth, Satan will be physically bound in the pit.

 

[rwb]

According to Revelation 20, there is a 1,000-year interval between the day the beheaded is brought back to life and the day the rest of humanity is brought back to life. In other words, there are two resurrections: 1) The resurrection of those who died in Christ and 2) all other people.

No, that's how Premillennialists read their doctrine into Rev 20. The passage clearly tells us these martyred saints died after having lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. John writes only that there is a "first resurrection" that man must have part in before they die to be accounted worthy of everlasting life (holy & righteous). Then John writes of the resurrection of the physically dead who never had part in the first resurrection AFTER this period of time symbolized a thousand years has expired. That is the ONE resurrection of Christ that is spiritual life to whosoever lives and believes in Him, and ONE physical/bodily resurrection of the DEAD that shall not be until AFTER this period of time symbolized a thousand years has ended.

The Seventh Trumpet marks the inauguration of the Millennial Period when Jesus comes back to earth to rule over Israel and the nations. Jerusalem will be his capital and Israel shall rule over the rest of the nations. This will last for a thousand years.

Scripture does not agree with you! John writes that when the seventh trumpet begins to sound time shall be no longer because the mystery of God (that is that Gentiles shall be called to complete the Kingdom of God), shall be finished.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Premillennialism doesn't lead to the conclusion you propose.
The following diagram shows the meaning of Revelation 20

A. All of those who are members of the body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:51-53
B. The General resurrection of the dead. John 5:28-29

A --->> 1,000 years --->> B

There is nothing in the text of Revelation 20, nor in the logical implications of Premillennialism, to suggest that those in group A are resurrected again when group B is resurrected.

This again is you reading your unbiblical doctrine into the Bible. Scripture is clear there shall be one physical resurrection of ALL who are in the graves in an hour coming when the last/seventh trumpet sounds and time shall be no longer. You lack understanding of what or rather Who the first resurrection represents. The first resurrection that mankind MUST have part in before physical death is the resurrection of Christ. We do this when we are born again of the Spirit of Christ within. This is how the martyred in Christ having both lived and reigned with Christ in time (had part in His resurrection), symbolized a thousand years, are, since they physically died living souls in heaven. Because whosoever lives and believes in Christ SHALL NEVER DIE! For that reason, physical death took them from their body of death a spiritual body of believers as living souls without physical form.

I see nothing in the text of Revelation 20 indicating that the reader should understand it symbolically.

That's obvious! If you understood a thousand years are symbolic of time for taking the Gospel of Christ unto all the nations of the world, then you would discard your Premillennial doctrine of deception.

 

[Timtofly]

Because that's what Premillennialists keep insisting! How could these martyred saints be physically alive as Premillers insist unless they had been physically raised to life again?

Scripture tells us that none shall be bodily resurrected to physical life AGAIN before the hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds and time shall be no longer.

Revelation 20 is Scripture, and it clearly states they lived again. The rest of the dead did not live again.

The word "again" is used in contrast for those who lived again at the start of the Day of the Lord, with those who did not live again at the start of the Day of the Lord. Lazarus lived again, and that was near 2,000 years ago. That was a first resurrection. So the hour of the first resurrection already started back with Lazarus.

Lazarus was not a bodiless soul that came out of the tomb. Lazarus had a physical body that came out of the tomb, and it was not dead nor smelled like rotten flesh. It was permanent and incorruptible as in all first resurrections that are physical to eternal life. At the point Lazarus came out, it could be said the rest of the dead would not live again until the 3,000 years were over. Then we see at the Cross, the OT redeemed in Christ, were all released from Abraham's bosom. They all received the first resurrection, which was a physical body, just like Lazarus was given.

That "time no longer" means humans will no longer be born into death. That is the time that is up. No one will have to ever physically die of old age ever again. Revelation 10 does not say all the dead will rise again. Revelation 10 says the mystery will be finished. That being finished is the end for the time the mystery started in the Garden until it ends at the 7th Trumpet.

 

[Timtofly]

Who says that the Millennial Earth is the New Earth? Who says that the Millennial Earth is without sin? It says that Jesus will rule the nations with a Rod of Iron, which indicates that they will not serve him willingly.

That is the topic of this particular thread. It is stated in the OP, first post.

 

[WPM]

John 12:31 Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.​

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According to Jesus, after his crucifixion and resurrection, "the ruler of this world will be cast out." Cast out from where? One might mistakenly conclude that the ruler of this world would be cast out of this world. But that is not what Jesus meant. Rather, the ruler of this world will/was cast out of heaven.

Revelation 12:7-8 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.​

What does this mean? Since heaven is the location of eternal things and people. To be cast out of heaven is to become mortal and subject to death. Satan was immortal until he was cast out of heaven. According to verse 12, Satan has only a short time left.

Revelation 12:12 For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”​

According to both Peter and Paul, Satan is not bound. He is still working among the population on Earth and he continues to deceive the nations. So as Jesus said, Satan was cast out of heaven. But he continues to deceptively lead humanity toward death.

Ephesians 2:1-2 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.​

Jesus said just prior to His death in Matthew 12:28-29, “Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind (deo) the strong man? And then he will spoil his house.”

This is referring to His earthly ministry. When it talks about Satan and his kingdom being bound, being in chains or being imprisoned it is not talking about physical metal chains a physical brick prison because Satan is not a physical being. He is a spiritual being. It is talking about a spiritual condition of restraint that curtails him in regard to his influence and power.

Jesus describes Satan here as the “strong man.” He depicts Himself as the One who enters the house the strong man and plunders his goods. But before this happens he must first be incapacitated.

The Lord identifies the casting out of devils, and the resulting liberating of souls, with the actual binding of the strong man. He in turn presents this as proof that Satan is curbed through the presence and victorious function of the kingdom of God. Christ was specifically referring to Satan here (the strong man) and his demonic kingdom, and expressly connects his binding with the manifestation of the kingdom of God during His earthly ministry. The subjugating of devils was proof of the spiritual restraint of the evil one. Satan could not prevent this. Satan could not overcome those who had been rescued by Christ.

The devil was subject to the purposes of God and hurt by the spiritual advance of the kingdom of God. This kingdom is still alive and active today. Souls are still being marvelously delivered from the power of Satan. The binding of the strong man continues today wherever the Gospel prevails.

Mark 3:11, 23-27 also records: “unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God ... And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind (deo) the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”

This familiar discourse by our Lord came as a response to the crude scoffs of the religious Scribes (during His earthly ministry) dismissing Christ’s deliverance ministry as a work of Satan. Christ’s reply confirmed that the binding of Satan commenced 2,000 yrs ago and is not simply a future hope that will occur after the Lord’s return. He said: “No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.” Christ was firstly referring to the false charge that was laid at his door in relation to his assault on the demonic realm. Secondly, He was describing the subjugation of the “unclean spirits” as “when they saw him” they “fell down before him” in surrender.

Jesus said in the corresponding passage in Luke 11:20-22, “if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.”

Here, Christ highlights the Sovereign power of the kingdom of God and reveals how the “strong man” – Satan – and his kingdom of devils can only be defeated by One that is stronger than them, namely Himself – the Son of God. As we examine the gospels we discover, Satan was stripped everywhere that Christ confronted him. The Lord entered the devil’s house and took authority over him and spoilt His goods. Previously, Satan's grip on the nations was so strong and so embedded that the truth of God's Word could not penetrate through. The devil overwhelmingly controlled the Gentile nations.

Christ said: “When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace.” This was a direct reference to the unchallenged power of Satan over the nations in the Old Testament. The vast territory of the Gentile nations was under his evil control. He governed the nations at will and operated in an unmolested environment – thus “his goods” were said to be “in peace.”

Satan’s wicked grip over the nations was loosened by the life, death and resurrection of Christ. Many millions were liberated by His message of hope and liberation. In fact, if anything was representative of Christ’s ministry it was the binding of the works of darkness and the deliverance of the afflicted. Christ defeated the power of Satan and all his minions with His sinless life, His vicarious death and His victorious resurrection and therefore wholly fulfilled His earthly assignment. The advance of the kingdom of God therefore has seen the pushing back of the devil’s frontline throughout the nations. It is not that he can’t still create havoc and deceive people; it is that he can’t hinder the triumphant advance of the Gospel throughout the world.

 

[Zao is life]

I see you avoid my questions above regarding multiple Scriptures that corroborate the Amil interpretation of Rev 20. Premils avoid them like the plague. It is clear why. It debunks Premil. Meanwhile: Premil has zero corroboration for its claims. That is because it is a non-corroborated doctrine.

There are no scriptures that corroborate Amil with Rev 20. You ignore the many that corroborate Premil with Rev 20.

 

[Zao is life]

You define the second and only coming of Christ again as though His coming the second time shall be followed by another coming

Rubbish. I have never said that and no Premillennialists says that.

You talk rubbish like the above but you cannot even answer the following:

Where in scripture can you explain Satan being bound currently? Your Amil position has no corroboration with scripture.

"And he cast him into the abyss and shut him up and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled."

In Genesis chapter 3, we read of how Satan appeared in the Garden of Eden and deceived mankind.
Revelation 12:9 calls Satan "the great dragon" and "the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world."
The reason given for Satan being bound in Revelation 20:1-3 is that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years have expired.

If we look for statements in the New Testament implying that Satan was bound when Jesus died and rose again, all we will ever find is passages stating the opposite:

Jesus called Satan "the ruler of this world" and the New Testament calls him "the prince of the power of the air who works in the sons of disobedience", who we are told will give the beast and false prophet his seat, power and great authority (Revelation Chapter 13). The saints are warned to be weary of his wiles and to resist him, and to put on the full armor of God because "we do not wrestle against flesh and blood" ( John 12:31; 1 Peter 5:8-9; Ephesians 6:11-12; Revelation 2:9-10 & Revelation 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 2:18; James 4:7 ).

Ephesians 2:2 tells us about Satan's influence over the societies of this world, this Age.

Revelation Chapters 12-13 portray this current status quo as spanning the entire present Age and culminating in the beast's war against the saints in Revelation Chapter 13 (see Revelation 13:7).

THE DESTRUCTION OF SATAN'S WORKS

This is what we have been told about this:

"Since then the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise partook of the same; that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death (that is, the Devil), and deliver those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." Hebrews 2:14-15.

"And they overcame him (the devil) because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul to the death." Revelation 12:11.

The blood of the Lamb speaks of the death of Christ.

"He who practices sin is of the Devil, for the Devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the Devil." 1 John 3:8

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh." Romans 8:3

1. Satan's works consist primarily in the death that became part of human experience, and the sin that leads to death.

2. The destruction of Satan's works will not last only for a thousand years, only to be "reversed for a short period at the close of the thousand years", as though his works were merely bound for a thousand years.

3. Not only is the devil not more powerful than God, Satan is not even nearly as powerful as the Holy Spirit, and does not need to be 'bound' in order for God to work or for the gospel of the Kingdom of Christ to spread. God is infinitely more powerful than the devil, who can be bound by God at will, at any time. Jesus showed He was able to do this each time He cast out demons, even before His death and resurrection. Satan's power to cause disruption in the spread of God's Kingdom in the world has always been limited to how much God will allow him.

 

[Zao is life]

We don't start out as Christians only to become unprofitable servants. Those unprofitable servants never have faith in Christ.

Puffed up pride shoots through the mask whenever people say this.

This is proven through their bragging about all they had done in the name of Christ. That's what makes them unprofitable servants, they profess Christ with their mouths, but their hearts are far from Him.

Then there are those who start with a religion that is not biblical, such as Amillennialism, and a claim that is not bliblical, such as the human spirit being a spirit-body,

and then while claiming to interpret scripture with scripture, they interpret scripture with their non-biblical religion, changing the meaning of passages and verses through eisegetical insertions of meanings that are not there and even topics that are not there, and ignoring all scriptures that negates their religion, in their attempt to ensure that scripture complies with their own beliefs.

And then they teach these non-Christian ideas to many.

False teachers and false prophets. Also unprofitable servants.

Nevertheless we are not God, we cannot judge the hearts of anyone, so the saints do not know who those believers in Christ are who are going to be condemned with the words in question. AND NEITHER DO THE SAINTS DESIRE THE JUDGMENT OF ANY BELIEVER IN CHRIST, nor do they claim to be God, knowing such things. There is no "brushing aside" as unimportant such a tragic thing as the casting out of those who call Jesus Lord that exists in the heart of the true saints,

and no false claim to "know" that the reason they will be thus condemned, is because they never believed in Jesus in the first place.

Matthew 15:8 (KJV) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Touche. Let's take the splinters and beams out of our own eyes lest we be found guilty of the above.

 

[Zao is life]

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

.. and once again you show how you ignore all scripture that does not agree with your false assertions, in this case the verse in the same passage that identifies who it is who will be raised at the time of Christ's return, as well as in Thessalonians which speaks of the same thing.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

Afterwards all humanity, according to you - but afterwards those who are Christ's at His coming, according to the very same passage of scripture that you have quoted.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The way you always interpret scripture with your Amil religion which is always your starting point and ignore all scripture that negates what you say after changing the meaning of passages through all your esiegestical insertions stands out like a sore thumb each and every time.

Only you don't see it yourself, because you are blinded to it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No, that's how Premillennialists read their doctrine into Rev 20.

No, that's how Premillennialists derive their doctrine. They read the text and believe what it says.

The passage clearly tells us these martyred saints died after having lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

No, John first indicates that they were beheaded. Then he mentions that they came back to life. .

John writes only that there is a "first resurrection" that man must have part in before they die to be accounted worthy of everlasting life (holy & righteous).

That's right. The first resurrection is in our future. The Father will raise all those in Christ at the command of Jesus Christ. 1Thessalonians 4:13-18

Then John writes of the resurrection of the physically dead who never had part in the first resurrection AFTER this period of time symbolized a thousand years has expired.

Right.

A = the rapture
B = general resurrection

A --->> Thousand year interval --->> B

That is the ONE resurrection of Christ that is spiritual life to whosoever lives and believes in Him, and ONE physical/bodily resurrection of the DEAD that shall not be until AFTER this period of time symbolized a thousand years has ended.

No, resurrection is physical not spiritual.

Scripture does not agree with you! John writes that when the seventh trumpet begins to sound time shall be no longer because the mystery of God (that is that Gentiles shall be called to complete the Kingdom of God), shall be finished.

John doesn't mean to say that time no longer exists. He means that there will be no further delay. What is the "Mystery of God?" The mystery in view is the idea that the suffering servant and the triumphal servant would be located in the same person. At the sound of the Seventh Trumpet, Jesus puts down his robe of the suffering servant and takes up the mantle of the triumphal servant.

This again is you reading your unbiblical doctrine into the Bible. Scripture is clear there shall be one physical resurrection of ALL who are in the graves in an hour coming when the last/seventh trumpet sounds and time shall be no longer.

I see two resurrections mentioned.

You lack understanding of what or rather Who the first resurrection represents.

The first resurrection is not symbolic but a literal raising from the dead of all those in Christ.

The first resurrection that mankind MUST have part in before physical death is the resurrection of Christ.

Born again is not a resurrection; it is a rebirth.

That's obvious! If you understood a thousand years are symbolic of time for taking the Gospel of Christ unto all the nations of the world, then you would discard your Premillennial doctrine of deception.

Why would I do that?

Your view does not take into account these four words, "thrones were set up." John borrows Jesus' word to the Apostles that they would be ruling over the twelve tribes of Israel. Since they have never done this in history, this event is still in our future.

 

[CadyandZoe]

That is the topic of this particular thread. It is stated in the OP, first post.

Thanks. Of course, the Millennial Period is NOT the NHNE