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Self Righteousness is the enemy of Faith in Christ.
Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.

It's not uncommon to run into self righteous, self promoting "nominal" Christians on various Christian forum sites.
 

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Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.

It's not uncommon to run into self righteous, self promoting "nominal" Christians on various Christian forum sites.

Absolutely.

We can't be in Christ unless we have God's Righteousness, and that is certainly not ours, as we dont have any of our own. as "ALL HAVE SINNED".
This is why God has to give us HIS......= "the Gift of Righteousness"
 

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Again…

@Behold

Was Paul teaching us to engage in adversarial acts against God?

“…yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.” (Romans 6:13)

Or are you just going to pridefully ignore challenges supported by scripture?

Perhaps @mailmandan can answer the question since he “liked” your baloney…
 

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Was Paul teaching us to engage in adversarial acts against God?


When you try to save yourself by works...... or , if you try to keep yourself saved, then you are substituting yourself, in place of The Cross of Christ.

= Self Righteousness.

Self Righteousness, is the opposite of God's Salvation.
 
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Reader,

Self Righteousness says.....>"im responsible to save myself". or .. "now that im saved, its up to me to stay saved"

God says...>"The CROSS of CHRIST proves that its MY Responsibility to save you and keep you saved".

Are you arguing against the Cross?
Take a look at your FAITH.

Philippians 1:6
 

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When you try to save yourself by works...... or , if you try to keep yourself saved, then you are substituting yourself, in place of The Cross of Christ.

Still no answer.

You’re just a ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED parrot.

In blissful ignorance of all those scriptures explicitly teaching that you do in fact keep yourself saved.

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;” (John 8:31)

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled…” (Colossians 1:23)

But somehow Paul and Jesus didn’t foresee that great men like @Behold and @mailmandan would rise up: who don’t need this warning.

You see, they will continue in the faith by default!

:hmhehm

“There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness. There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.” (Proverbs 30:12-13)
 
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You’re just a ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED parrot.

Jesus is Salvation.
He's not a parrot.

See, Salvation is not you doing it.
Salvation is JESUS Himself...

Jesus IS Salvation.
Jesus IS Eternal Life

So, when we are born again, we become ETERNALLY Joined to Jesus, Spiritually.

What does that mean?
Its means that the born again are become "a new Creation".......and that Creation is to have become "made righteous", as "the righteousness of God, in Christ" = and which means the born again exist in Eternal Life, who IS Jesus.
 

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Jesus is Salvation.
He's not a parrot.

Who called Jesus a parrot?

Are you practicing your craft of destroying your opponents with underhanded tactics again?

See, Salvation is not you doing it.
Salvation is JESUS Himself...

Salvation has many parts to it.

Part 1.

Believe the gospel.

Part 2.

Continue in the faith showing good works proving your faith.

Part 3.

Salvation realized in the end of faithful service.

we become ETERNALLY Joined to Jesus, Spiritually.

False.

You must show yourself worthy of the free gift:

“…Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig-tree, and find none. Cut it down, why does it encumber the ground? And answering, he said to him, Lord, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and throw manure. And if it bears fruit, well; and if not, then after that you shall cut it down.” (Luke 13:7-9)
 
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Reader,

What is self Righteousness?

What is it exactly?

Self righteousness = is trying to >make yourself right with God<, by works, deeds, self effort, lifestyle.

That is "Legalism", and God abhors it.
He hates it.
It offends Him.
It offends the Cross of Christ.


Now, here is how to get yourself out of Self Righteousness, as so many believers are like that, thinking that this is "Christianity". and "Discipleship".
Its not.
Its the exact opposite of Salvation and Grace.


See, CHRISTianity is God coming down here to rescue you through the Cross of Christ.
That is not you trying to perform for God so that He'll have you, accept you, and keep you.
See that?

Reader,

Did you ever read "Genesis"?

Cain and Abel?

Why did Cain murder his Brother. ??????
Its because Cain was a self righteous works obsessed Legalist who tried to get God to love Him and accept him, based on Cain's (self righteous) = His offering of WORKS and DEEDs.
God = totally REJECTED Him...and Cain was upset. And then He watched God completely accept Abel, because Abel brought to God, ONLY what God only accepts to accept you and save you.

= BLOOD, a Sacrifice, as "without the shedding of Blood, there is no forgiveness of sin for you".

So, Cain's Self righteous ENVY and HATRED, = Murdered His Brother.

Did you ever read a short NT epistle : JUDE. ?

In Jude, He says that when you are trying to earn God's acceptance, by your PERFORMANCE, (self effort)(self righteousness)(works) = you are committing the :


> "Error of CAIN".

And Reader, if you think that most Christians are not actively just like that, as their idea of "CHRISTianity"< then you are not paying attention, or you are one of them, or both.

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HERE...(hear)=
is how you escape that ERROR = that is BROKEN FAITH and the WRONG MIND, that is the "mind of the FLESH".

Show me one work you can do, one self effort, one good deed, one behavior modification you can offer God, that is Equal to the finished WORK of Jesus on the Cross.

See that CROSS? ????
That is the WORK
Of CHRIST = that God requires to save you.
Can you do that one?
Can you equal that one with your work or deed or self effort?
God help you, if you think you can... as if you think you can, then the Devil owns you.

Now again.... Can you offer one, even ONE of your works of SELF EFFORT, that can equal Christ's "FINISHED" work on The Cross.. = That is His Death and Sinless Life, and Shed Blood..
All of that is the "Sacrifice" of Christ. That is HIS """FINISHED""" WORK that God accepts to SAVE YOU.

Christ said just before dying for your sin on the CROSS..

""IT ...IS...FINISHED"...... the WORK was done. And when Christ returned to Heaven, He "sat down".

= no more WORK to do for you. Your Eternal SALVATION IS COMPLETED.

Now, Can you equal it?
CAN YOU EQUAL IT ?
Can you provide GOD ALMIGHTY anything like that as your work, deed, self effort,???
Do you have ONE WORK or self effort that you can provide to GOD, in a hundred thousand YEARS, OR 100 lifetimes that can equal what Christ did as HIS " FINISHED WORK on The Cross?
If you can't, then stop trying to go to heaven, or stay saved, or be accepted by GOD = by that ERROR of CAIN you are committing.

Be FREE from that, forever..... in Jesus's name.

Amen.
Self-righteousness would be thinking you can do no wrong.
 

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Self righteousness
Dear Behold,
Like most are saying, self-righteousness is caused by anything that a person does which they believe is necessary for their salvation.

However, most do not understand what that really means.

I'll explain below.

The Old Covenant is solely based upon man's works. In contrast, the New Covenant is solely based upon the works of Christ.

Most will say that that they believe this statement, but in truth, they do not when you get them to answer one simple question:

If mankind's salvation is truly a gift from God and is solely based upon the works of Christ, why do most believers still say that Christ will not save everyone?

Some will say that it is because of mankind's "free will" and that not everyone will choose to be saved. Some will also argue that some are just too evil to be saved. And I have also heard a few say that God does not want to save everyone.

However, all those arguments are completely contradicted by scripture.

Here is what scripture says:

Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.


Mankind was made spiritually marred. The flaw in mankind's spirit is that it is "weak". Because mankind's spirit is weak, it allows the flesh to govern us. This spiritual state causes mankind to be carnally minded and that is why mankind sins (subject to vanity).

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

In this carnal condition, mankind cannot be saved unless Christ intervenes within (spiritually) mankind so that we are changed. This "change" is called conversion. The old vessel must be destroyed so that the new vessel can be created.

Since Christ was sent by His Father to be mankind's Savior, He will do all the necessary work of converting all mankind.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


And since Christ is mankind's God, He cannot fail in this mission His Father gave him. Nothing is too difficult for Him to overcome:

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

To accomplish the mission His Father gave Him, Christ established a plan to save every person who has ever lived. And since His plan does not require any "works" from mankind, nothing can stop Him.

In this age, Christ is bringing in the First Fruits (the Elect) of His harvest of mankind. They have been chosen for this honor from the foundation of the world. They are considered blessed by God.

In the final age, Christ will bring in the remaining harvest of mankind with the help of the First Fruits (one of the purposes for them being harvested early).

To save one of the First Fruits in this age, Christ will begin His conversion process by spiritually coming to them and giving them the Early Rain of the Spirit. The person does not ask for Christ to come nor do they give Christ their permission. Christ comes to them because He is their Creator and because of such, He has the authority and right to do as He pleases:

Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? And what his soul desireth, that will he do.

In the beginning, the Elect person was made subject to vanity without their permission, just as all mankind was. But now, because it suits God's plan and purpose, they will be made into a new creation without their permission.

Once the Elect person has the Early Rain of the Spirit (Holy Spirit of Promise, Eph 1:13-14), they will have a measure of faith and will make a confession of faith:

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

And with the Spirit within them, they will no longer be able to reject Christ. At this point, the chosen person is "called out" and will enter the church. This all happened because of the spiritual work of Christ within that chosen person. They did not make their confession of faith by a supposed "free will" choice to do so. They only made the choice because Christ freely gave them the Early Rain of the Spirit. They have nothing to boast about concerning their confession of faith and their salvation.

The Early Rain of the Spirit is ONLY an earnest amount (down payment) of the Spirit however. Because the Spirit is given to the chosen person in "measure", they remain carnally minded and spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25). And because the chosen person has no ability to know the true Christ, they are ripe for the deceptions of Satan.

CONTINUED ON THE NEXT POST...
 

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What is self Righteousness?
CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST...

Satan will then quickly come to the new chosen believer and masquerade as Christ (an angel of light) to them. Satan will then teach the chosen believer "another gospel" which teaches them that their salvation was accomplished by a mixture of works and faith. It teaches them that if a person doesn't do "their part", they will not be saved. Then, to blaspheme the name of Christ even further, Satan teaches them that if a person doesn't do their part before they die, Christ will resurrect them to judgment just to torment them in literal fire for all eternity. This is what Satan's gospel teaches and it blasphemes the name of Christ to the highest of levels.

And since this "another gospel" which Satan teaches is pleasing to the chosen believer's carnal nature, they will readily accept it has the truth of Christ. After they do, the chosen believer will fall away from faith and lose their salvation which the Early Rain of the Spirit had given them. The chosen believer will then remain in the apostate church (Satan's church) and mature into a "Man of Sin" until Christ pulls them out. This is the "worse than the first" spiritual condition which Christ mentioned would happen to all "called out" believers shortly after they receive the Early Rain (Mat 12:43-45).

In this worsen spiritual condition, the chosen believer is now ready for Christ to "come again" and give them the Latter Rain. To prepare the chosen believer for this final gift, Christ will send a person to them in the spirit of Elijah with the call to repent from their belief in their own works. Christ will even do all the necessary spiritual work within them to make their repentance happen. After it does, the pathway for Christ to come a second time to them is made "straight".

Then, when the established time has come, Christ will come to the chosen believer and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. With this full payment of the Spirit, the believer will be "born again" and will be given "eyes that can see" (spiritual blindness healed). With their new spiritual vision, they will see the Abomination of Desolation which happened to them and the Man of Sin (whom they became) will be revealed.

From this truth within them now, the judgment of the Day of the Lord will arrive. When it does, the spirit of anti-Christ will be "taken" from within them and cast into the Lake of Fire. Also, their worsen spiritual nature (the Great Harlot) will also be taken from them and cast into the Lake of Fire.

Mat 24:40 Then shall two (one flesh/one believer) be in the field; the one shall be taken (the Man of Sin/spirit of anti-Christ), and the other left (the new child of God). 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken (the Great Harlot), and the other left (the new child of God).

After the Man of Sin and Great Harlot are removed from within the chosen believer, they will be governed solely by their new spiritual nature (called the New Earth) which the Holy Spirit gives them. They will then be permanently converted and saved.

Conversion is what happened to the 120 Jewish Elect on the Day of Pentecost and is what has been happened to all the other Elect since that time.

For the rest of mankind (unbelievers and the "called" but not chosen), they will be resurrected to judgment where Christ will begin and complete their conversion and salvation, too. By the end of the final age, all mankind will be saved.

Mankind's salvation happens solely because it was God's "will" for it to happen. It is His gift to us.

Joe
 

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Self-righteousness would be thinking you can do no wrong.

Self Righteousness, in the context of Salvation, is to to try to save yourself or keep yourself saved.

"righteousness" by SELF effort.

That is to try to establish your own righteousness, and that is the enemy of the Cross, and its the opposite of God's Grace which is "The GIFT of Righteousness".
 

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Dear Behold,
I know that you believe in "works" but maybe my posts can help others reject your false teaching.
Joe

Joe,

Salvation is "Grace through Faith without works".. or "deeds of the Law".

Salvation is : Jesus on the Cross.

And there is no other, NAME by which "we can be saved".


So, Joe, you're just a dishonest Troll.
Now, Post a quote of mine that says i believe in works "as Salvation".
Can't?
That's because it does not exist.
This Thread you are on, denies Works (Legalism), and teaches The Grace of God and the Gift of Salvation.
 
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Joe,

You're a liar.
Post a quote of mine that says i believe in works.

You wont do it, because its not possible, but you will lie more, as the devil would have you do it.
Dear Behold,
I have had discussions with you before. Like I said in my first few lines of my post, most do not understand what it means to be self-righteous.

Self-righteousness comes from a belief in the Doctrines of Free Will and Hell. Under those doctrines, a person believes that they smarter, wiser or just less evil than those who reject Christ - however, most will not admit this. But regardless of what they admit, they have still turned their confession of faith (which was given to them by Christ) into their own work. This is self-righteousness.

Paul says that even just one work will cause a believer to fall from grace.

From what I remember in our discussions, you believe in the doctrines of Free Will and Hell. You can correct me if I am wrong.

Joe
 

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Self-righteousness occurs when one considers himself/herself to be righteous based on either their works or their religious beliefs.
Or the self righteous “ higher “ walk where they refer to others in the lower walk as vultures , ravens , dogs etc
 

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Self-righteousness comes from a belief in the Doctrines of Free Will and Hell.

Self Righteousness, this person, tries to go to heaven, without the Cross of Christ as the only way., or they are trying to keep themselves saved, by self effort, works, law, commandments, .. even water baptism., or by claiming...>"i belong to the true church, and my Pope says as long as i dont leave Holy Mother Church, i'll go to heaven"

THe Mormons have a similar brainwashing technique, as do the JW's and many Cults.

"Belong only to us, .. believe what we teach, we have all the Truth.. that we made up, and you are going to heaven if you stay with us".

Now, John Calvin, hated the Cross, and created a "doctrines of Devils'". Hebrews 13:9..... that falsely supports his demonic "pre-destined elect" theology.

Calvin, put "conditions" on the Cross that Deny it., abuse it, and spit on it.

Calvin could not comprehend that God knowing everything, is not the same as God causing everything that happens next.

Knowing everything before it happens, is not the same as causing it to occur...... And Calvin could not comprehend this......so, he redefined "Foreknowledge" that is God knowing everything that is going to happen next.....as : "Its all pre-destined"....
 
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Self Righteousness, this person, tries to go to heaven, without the Cross of Christ as the only way., or they are trying to keep themselves saved, by self effort, works, law, commandments, .. even water baptism., or by claiming...>"i belong to the true church, and my Pope says as long as i dont leave Holy Mother Church, i'll go to heaven"

THe Mormons have a similar brainwashing technique, as do the JW's and many Cults.

"Belong only to us, .. believe what we teach, we have all the Truth.. that we made up, and you are going to heaven if you stay with us".

Now, John Calvin, hated the Cross, and created a "doctrines of Devils'". Hebrews 13:9..... that falsely supports his demonic "pre-destined elect" theology.

Calvin, put "conditions" on the Cross that Deny it., abuse it, and spit on it.

Calvin could not comprehend that God knowing everything, is not the same as God causing everything that happens next.

Knowing everything before it happens, is not the same as causing it to occur...... And Calvin could not comprehend this......so, he redefined "Foreknowledge" that is God knowing everything that is going to happen next.....as : "Its all pre-destined"....
Yes and Calvinists still conflate foreknowledge with predestination or determinism