What is : The Meat of the word

[justbyfaith]

No,
see, there is personal sanctification, that is a person living a good clean life.
They dont lie, cheat, smoke, fornicate, cheat on taxes, use profanity, etc, ect..
Thats like religious grooming.
And while doing all that, you are currently damned and going to hell, WHILE you're doing all that GOOD STUFF.....if you are not born again.
JOhn 3:36

So, that is the holiness that we are to exist in, as a strong Disciple.

That is not the same as being made righteous, by the Blood Atonement.

Im not sure you realize this yet, but the day you were saved, you were UNGODLY...
You had not been living a good clean life, and THEN you were saved.
And if you had, you were going to hell while living that same lifestyle you are ranting about now.

THis is difficult for you to see, because everything around you, is all about LEGALISM.
So, thats a real problem for you.

I will only say that being born again will lead to doing all of that good stuff...

For the fruit of the Spirit, is, among other things, goodness (Galatians 5:22-23).

 

[amigo de christo]

No; because I am not a Catholic; new or old.



I have addressed this elsewhere but I can address it again here.

In context of Paul saying that Christ did not send him to baptize, he says that he baptized only a few people in Corinth in order to substantiate his point (Crispus, Gaius, and Stephanas).

However, in Acts of the Apostles 18:8, it becomes clear that many Corinthians were baptized.

So, Paul, while he did not baptize himself, very likely used the same tactic as our Lord in John 4:2...

He allowed his disciples to baptize the converts.

Therefore, Paul was not saying that baptism isn't necessary or good; he is saying that his particular calling was to preach the gospel and did not have to do with water-baptizing.

Which is not to say that Paul felt that baptism doesn't do the trick that Peter says it does in 1 Peter 3:20-21.

Paul even preaches, within the gospel that he preaches, that baptism does the trick (Romans 6:1-4, Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2:11-12).

Just like when I am preaching here on the internet, God has not called me to baptize people (that is not very possible from a computer venue). Which is not to say that I will not preach the necessity of baptism in holy scripture (specifically, in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 and Romans 8:30).

Let us keep it real simple . IF JESUS own desciples baptized men and women , IF peter at the house of cornelious ,
even AFTER they had been baptized by THE HOLY GHOST did say as he said .
THEN KNOW and understand that any true lamb WOULD be water baptized . While it dont save us , AS PETER TOO SAID ,
why would a true lamb reject it . exactly . THEY WOULD NOT . THEY WOULD NOT .

 

[justbyfaith]

Thank you.
I "throw" that one out there all the time, when im dealing with a Catholic or someone who is trying to use the city water supply to be born again.

Here is another really good one to Throw, FluffyYellowDucK.

Paul Said. "Christ sent me not to water Baptize">..
So, there is the person who wrote most of the NT, talking about the importance of the city water supply.

But wait.......yes, there is more...
You have "the ACTS of the Apostles', that some who are deceived believe are the "acts of all the believers".....and in the Acts of the Apostles .. (Acts)..... you will study and discover that every single time someone is born again, they then are water baptized.
Its like this......BELIEVE, then get wet......every single time.
See, as you know, to BELIEVE is to be born again, and then you are immersed, because you are already born again.

What is : The Meat of the word

 

[Behold]

True. I think that God makes the choice. Repent and be baptized,.

""Repent and be Baptized"" is not the Gospel of the Grace of God.
Paul does not preach that.
Peter did, until Acts 10, when God gave him a vision and showed him that Gentiles could be Saved

Repent and be Baptized is : John the Baptist's Gospel that he used when water baptizing Jews.,in the Old Testament, who were not born again.
No Jesus on the Cross at that time, FluffyYellowDuck'.
Peter preached that OT message in Acts 2, because that is all he know at the time.
That changed later.

Our Gospel, is "the Gospel of the GRACE of God.".... this is the one that we are to preach, and teach.. "in the Time of the Gentiles"..that came from Paul.

Its also called "My Gospel", as that is how Paul describes it, as it came from Him, and was given to Him by Jesus who called him apart from the other Apostles, and gave Paul, what we understand as Church Doctrine, the Gospel of "Justification by Faith", and of course, Paul wrote most of the NT.'"

 

[justbyfaith]

True. I think that God makes the choice. Repent and be baptized, yes, but dying people don't have that choice. What if a person is scheduled to be baptized and they don't make it through that week? It's silly to think that they are going to hell just because they got hit on the crosswalk before Sunday.

God is our judge and we can't just assume that we're the most intelligent scholars to have it all figured out. The scholars of Jesus time knew WAY more than us and were still corrected on what they believed - many times. "Truly I say to you, today shall you be with me in paradise" seems like a fair enough answer to me.

Anabaptists believe in baptism, but not for infants. So there's an inevitable space of time where a person is going likely be unbaptized until that time. I believe in grace and I believe God knows a man's heart and intentions.

This thread is overwhelming with bold letters and I think we should switch the coffee over to decaf.

I would suggest meditating on how Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 and Romans 8:30 correlate to each other as concerning the word "call", "called".

 

[DuckieLady]

Let us keep it real simple . IF JESUS own desciples baptized men and women , IF peter at the house of cornelious ,
even AFTER they had been baptized by THE HOLY GHOST did say as he said .
THEN KNOW and understand that any true lamb WOULD be water baptized . While it dont save us , AS PETER TOO SAID ,
why would a true lamb reject it . exactly . THEY WOULD NOT . THEY WOULD NOT .

I like this, amigo.

 

[justbyfaith]

""Repent and be Baptized"" is not the Gospel of the Grace of God.
Paul does not preach that.
Peter did, until Acts 10, when God gave him a vision and showed him that Gentiles could be Saved

Repent and be Baptized is : John the Baptist's Gospel that he used when water baptizing Jews.,in the Old Testament, who were not born again.
No Jesus on the Cross at that time, FluffyYellowDuck'.
Peter preached that OT message in Acts 2, because that is all he know at the time.
That changed later.

Our Gospel, is "the Gospel of the GRACE of God.".... this is the one that we are to preach, and teach.. "in the Time of the Gentiles"..that came from Paul.

Its also called "My Gospel", as that is how Paul describes it, as it came from Him, and was given to Him by Jesus who called him apart from the other Apostles, and gave Paul, what we understand as Church Doctrine, the Gospel of "Justification by Faith", and of course, Paul wrote most of the NT.'"

One can merely believe and they "should not perish" (John 3:16).

If they believe and are baptized they "shall be saved" (Mark 16:16).

If they call on the name of the Lord they "shall be saved." (Romans 10:13)

 

[amigo de christo]

Really?

You actually believe that if you are not born again, that you can copy Jesus's good works, and end up in heaven?
You can copy Jesus's life, and never be born again, and go to heaven after you die?

Tell that to the millions that tried it who are now in Hell.

I see behold is tying away . SO now i got a serious trivia question for us all .
Your right copying good works aint gonna save squat .
SO my question is this . HOW come so many believe this false ecumincal love stuff .
I mean YOUR RIGHT . Good works cant save a soul .
SO why do we heed both protestant and satans main man francis . And belive that if folks had love ,
muslims did good and loved or atheists did good and loved and etc , THAT THEY ARE saved .
YEAH i just had to KICK that ball for all to see . BOTH SIDES and all sides are getting DUPED HUGE .
ME , I STICK TO THE BIBLE . THAT JESUS is MY JESUS . but let us go and learn that .

 

[Behold]

No; because I am not a Catholic; new or old.

I have addressed this elsewhere but I can address it again here.
In context of Paul saying that Christ did not send him to baptize, he says that he baptized only a few people in Corinth in order to substantiate his point (Crispus, Gaius, and Stephanas)

Paul water baptized converts, at times.
But Paul was not sent for this, as water is not necessary for salvation.
Blood is Necessary for Salvation, which is why Jesus came to BLEED and DIE.
THat is why Paul said he was not "sent".... for this.. (water).

Paul was sent to preach The Cross, establish new churches and new converts, teach church doctrine, spread the Gospel, and be our ultimate example regarding discipleship.
He also wrote most of the NT.

 

[justbyfaith]

""Repent and be Baptized"" is not the Gospel of the Grace of God.
Paul does not preach that.
Peter did,

So, you're saying that Peter didn't have the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in his behaviour...?

 

[Behold]

Let us keep it real simple . IF JESUS own desciples baptized men and women , IF peter at the house of cornelious ,
even AFTER they had been baptized by THE HOLY GHOST did say as he said .
THEN KNOW and understand that any true lamb WOULD be water baptized . While it dont save us , AS PETER TOO SAID ,
why would a true lamb reject it . exactly . THEY WOULD NOT . THEY WOULD NOT .

Just as there is an Old Testament, that is not in effect now that the New Testament is in effect, you have things that Jesus would do, while fulfilling the LAW for us, that we don't have to do, because He did it already.

 

[justbyfaith]

Paul water baptized converts, at times.
But Paul was not sent for this, as water is not necessary for salvation.
Blood is Necessary for Salvation, which is why Jesus came to BLEED and DIE.
THat is why Paul said he was not "sent".... for this.. (water).

Paul was sent to preach The Cross, establish new churches and new converts, teach church doctrine, spread the Gospel, and be our ultimate example regarding discipleship.
He also wrote most of the NT.

The blood is in the water.

1Jo 5:8, And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, <even> the water, <even> the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

[Behold]

What is : The Meat of the word

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What is : The Meat of the word

 

[justbyfaith]

Just as there is an Old Testament, that is not in effect now that the New Testament is in effect, you have things that Jesus would do, while fulfilling the LAW for us, that we don't have to do, because He did it already.

God has written the LAW on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers who are under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).

Christ fulfills the law for us in this:

Gal 2:20, I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[amigo de christo]

I like this, amigo.

My fluffy duck is loved . See how simple it is . IF we are of JESUS then we just have the LOVE OF GOD shed upon our hearts .
WE would love the truth . Its just so simple and beautiful sister .
What i say next brings tears to my eyes as i type it , cause i remember what i once was .
I used to say the glorious name of JESUS , but i lived in darkness and loved sin . I was as lost
as many of our own churches today our . My tears are not for me , its for them .
So many are under a false love , And not the LOVE that comes from GOD .
That love would put GOD first , JESUS first , it would love the truth . IT would HONOR GOD . IT WOULD HONOR HE who saved us .
IT would not make excuse for sin , for error . IT would not let a gay , or a covetous man , or any sinner
FEEL saved just cause they might say the name of JESUS and yet embrace their sin . IT WOULD not do that sister .
THAT Kind of love will condemn not only the person that allows it , but the person in it .
JESUS came to set us free , from sin , not free TO SIN .

 

[Behold]

So, you're saying that Peter didn't have the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in his behaviour...?

No, im saying i can read the NEW Testament.
In it it explains things regarding the Blood Atonement, vs, the reason for Water Baptism, in the OLD Testament, and how its used in the new.
I can "rightly divide" and "spiritually discern".

Let me share something with you, so that you can at least read it.

Try to understand 2 things.

1. If you dont know something, you can't teach it correctly, until you do.
2. Not all the Apostle had the same revelation of God's Grace, that Paul Had, when He had it.

Peter in Acts 2, didnt Know what Paul was teaching in Acts 15.

Look at Acts 10. Peter, who is not a Pope, didnt know that Gentiles could be saved.
But when he wrote 2nd Peter, he know all about it.

So, when an apostle does not know a specific revelation, then notice the chapter, and notice when they do understand it, and use this to discern what they may not know yet, that can be used by really bad Churches, to teach really bad theology, that ruins believers.
Mostly, it causes them to never understand Gods Grace, and the end result is that they end up as devout Legalists, all their Lives.
Thats you , justbyfaith, currently.

 

[amigo de christo]

Just as there is an Old Testament, that is not in effect now that the New Testament is in effect, you have things that Jesus would do, while fulfilling the LAW for us, that we don't have to do, because He did it already.

Yeah , that sure as all get out dont answer what my point was .
So let me get only clearer . DO you support pope francis , or todd white , or kenneth copeland , rick warren , beth moore ,
john piper , forget it this list is way too long too list .
DO you BELIEVE that if a muslim simply does good to his neighbor , his enemies that he is saved and knows GOD .
OR Do you , AS I FULLY KNOW believe that one must
Believe from the heart that GOD has raised JESUS from the dead and confess HIM with the mouth , IN ORDER TO be saved .
HOW bout that . lets answer that question .

 

[Pearl]

Milk is easy to digest and all the nourishment a baby needs to be healthy and grow. But it has limits and soon a child will need a more balanced diet than milk alone can provide.

Adults need a balanced diet too and part of that is protein contained in meat and other protein foods.

Without protein we will not grow as we should. So as in the natural so in the spiritual and a mature Christian needs that which will enable healthy growth. As well as from the bible it can come from a number of other sources such as good teaching - either live, recorded or from a book. But our diet still needs to be well balanced and not too heavy on the 'meat' which may cause us to become spiritually 'constipated'.

 

[justbyfaith]

water baptized . While it dont save us , AS PETER TOO SAID ,

Is that what Peter too said?

1Pe 3:20, Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21, The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Behold]

The blood is in the water.

1Jo 5:8, And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, <even> the water, <even> the blood: and these three agree in one.

They 'agree" in "one".
That is not saying they are the same thing, literally.
Its saying the agreement as a WITNESS, is as one agreement or one witness.

What cult teaches that Jesus's blood is water?

Run from that cult.
Never look back.

 

[Behold]

[QUOTE="justbyfaith, post: 947232, member: 7886"

Christ fulfills the law for us in this:

[/QUOTE]

Yes, he had to fulfill it so that it could lose its dominion over those who are now "under Grace".