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What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by BarnyFife, Aug 9, 2020.

How will we keep from sinning throughout eternity?

  1. No different than before sin

    4.2%
  2. God will make us incapable of sinning like robots.

    8.3%
  3. Like before sin along with knowledge of the suffering and scars of Christ

    8.3%
  4. Other

    54.2%
  5. I don't know.

    4.2%
  6. God will make us functionally incapable of sinning.

    20.8%
  1. BarnyFife

    BarnyFife Well-Known Member

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    What you're effectively asking is for me to change one of my options and change the structure of the poll to suit your interpretation of Scripture. I can't, in good conscience, do that. I believe that any action on the part of God that makes us different than Adam and Eve (as they were pre-fall) in a way that makes us incapable of sinning would, of necessity take away our freedom to love Him voluntarily. Also, it begs the question: Why wouldn't He just have made Adam and Eve incapable of sinning in the first place? This leads to a Pandora's Box of questions. You are free to state your objections or start a new thread discussing them, but I can't change the poll mid-run to suit people who feel my beliefs are mocking them. Sorry.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    You are pretending to be wiser than God. Not a very good place to be.
    When God perfects the saints, He also makes their love for Him perfect.
     
  3. Yan

    Yan Active Member

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    In bible was clearly stated that as long as we dwells in this earthly body, we still capable of being sinning. Look at Noah, after he was being saved from the great flood by God. He was the one who lived in truth before God and this was only the mind revival, but when the days had passed he went drunk and without his own consciousness, his family had commit a sexual sins with his son Ham that made Canaan born from his own mother (Genesis 9:18-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1-8).
    So, as long as we lived in this earthly body we have to be aware of the enemy (2 Corinthians 5:1-10), because the devils and their army always attack in special occasion of our unconsciousness; just like the devils snares Christ (Luke 4:9-13). If Jesus had being treated like that, so did with all of His disciples (Stephen : Acts of the apostles 7:59-60; Paul : 2 Corinthians 12:7-10), because whosoever lived in Christ must be able to stand before the Lord carrying their own cross and whosoever wants to save their lives they will lose it (Matthew 16:24-26).
    Because the evil one of this world will not let you live in peace as long as they don't get what they want which is the power and money, that's why the whole world was ruled by money. And whosoever worship money, they already dead while they are still lived in this world (1 Timothy 5:3-7).
     
  4. BarnyFife

    BarnyFife Well-Known Member

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    No, I am not. And I trust God to solve the sin problem for good and all.
    The "if" question is easy to answer. You're stumbling on the "how." So the easy thing to do is to blame me. That's okay. I can take it.

    Ezekiel 28
    12 ...Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    Lucifer was once perfect. It did not make him incapable of sin. You should maybe consider that I might have thought this through just a little and taken Scripture evidence into account.
     
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    Yan Active Member

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    Bible had set everything we do in this world was under the ruler of the sins (Romans 3:9-20; Galatians 3:20-29), because the whole world was still lived under the same rule of the law. Since beginning God hath introduced the law to Noah as Seven Law (Halakha) as the base of the 10 Commandments written by Moses.
    But then, when Ham/Hammurabi the son of Noah was lifted up into the throne of Babylonian; they wrote every details of the law based on the Halakha. And today, Hammurabi laws had been used by every government of this world. The law is good indeed if they used it properly, but then the law had been misused by men and corrupt them as a tools to maintain their power to stay in charge by oppressing to whosoever against them. And that was the main concern of God to cancel the Torah and its detail by surrendering His only begotten son Jesus as the redeemer from the snares of the law. Because behind the law which God hath brought into mankind contains a curse to whomsoever violate them.
     
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    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    If you don't like the robots option answer, don't vote for it. If that option the "scriptural"one, why are you objecting? You really have me confused.

    I don't see the need to alter the poll, especially after people have already answered.
     
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    rockytopva Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Simply... Take the devil out of the world and you have your righteousness!

    And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.- Revelation 20:1-3

    Simply.... Add the devil back into the world and you have your sinful society!

    And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:7-8
     
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    That sounds like that would be the kind of thing Eve would have said. The devil made me do it. While the Lord didn't disagree with Eve, he still held her responsible for making s bad choice. As will we. Things will only get better in life when we start making right choices. We are not forced to transgress. Temptation from the devil does not inevitably lead to sin. Jesus proved that.
     
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    Romans 7 teaches a battle of 2 natures in us.

    The new and old natures are at odds with each other.

    Pre Christ, we only had an old nature.

    Welcome to the war.
     
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    We have a sinful nature, but Peter said we are partakers of His divine nature also.

    The struggle of the 2 natures begins at the born again believers spiritual birth.
     
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    When we are born again the Holy Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ. We actually become part of him and because he cannot sin, neither can we. This is something that we not true of Satan, Adam, or Eve.
     
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    Thank you for participating.
     
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    We choose to do what comes naturally. If we have a carnal nature we sin. If we have a divine nature we don't. This is what it means for our nature to be born again of the Spirit. This is what sets apart the sinner from the children of God.
     
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    You do what your nature tells you to do then.
     
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    That was his plan; to make anyone feel stupid if they voted the truth. It was a wicked plan. Besides, I know the two of us brave enough who voted there in spite of trying to be made to look foolish.
     
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    Satan forfeited his place as the highest government official besides Christ Himself. Adam and Eve had to be born again to be saved, just like the rest of us. Your theory therefore starts with the premise that in order to be made sin-proof, we must first have been sinners. The will of God is expressed in His law. Sin is the transgression of the law. For Adam and Eve, at first, the basis of His law was "Don't eat of the tree in the midst of the garden." They had a chance to prove they could love God voluntarily under temptation. The blood of Christ (as witnessed by the scars of His suffering) is the eternal antidote for sin.
     
  17. CharismaticLady

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    Read it again, but this time add the context of chapter 8. Chapter 7 is the conclusion of Paul's teaching of those who only had the Law of Moses to live by, trying to be kept with only a carnal nature vs. 13. Jesus in chapter 8 frees us from sin, thus freeing us from the Law of Moses. Therefore we are no longer under the Law. We are under the law of the SPIRIT of life in Christ.

    Romans 8:9 is saying we are not in that old carnal nature, we are in the Spirit, IF we have the Spirit of God indwelling us. The Spirit changes us more and more into the likeness of Christ as we obey His leading through the divine nature, and never quench Him.

    By the way, who taught you that out of context explanation of chapter 7? Oy vey! These are the latter days when the falling away from the Truth happens.
     
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    Well, that cuts, but I'm not catering to your delusion. The poll is voluntary, so there's always the abstinence option, but I guess you'll have to do what your nature tells you to do as well. Although I feel I must warn you that when someone insists on picking a fight, my natural inclination is avoidance--not very satisfying to the fight-picker, usually.
     
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    Wow, the evil surmising really cuts, but I suppose one has to do what their nature tells them to do. All right, then. I miss our short friendship.
     
  20. CharismaticLady

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    It was a small request to honor that friendship that you couldn't do. It wasn't an honest poll, but one to demand your view.
     
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