When Did Jesus Say He Would Return?

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You see those things will happen as a result of preaching the gospel of the kingdom. It was the reason why Christians were pericuted back then. It is one of the reasons why it is was easy for Emperor Nero to use Christians as a scap-goat after the fire he statred in Rome. They (Christians) back then were all preaching about a kindom that would take over all the kingdoms of this world........they were not loyal to the Roman government so they were viewed with suspicion. We can't say the same for many Christians today expecially those in the U.S. In the U.S they are more rapped up in politics than they are in proclaming that God is going to set up His kingdom on this Earth........they think they are going to Heaven.

Study Acts 2 and Peter's reference to Joel 2. THAT's what that event Christ gave in Matt.24 is about. It's for the last days, which is what the 5th Seal of Revelation is pointing to.

To be more plain, THAT future witness is about the 'cloven tongue' by The Holy Spirit manifesting to ALL nations when they're delivered up during the coming tribulation. God is going to speak to the whole world through them. Thusly, that was not about Christians in Roman history, for their days are past.

This is where Peter was quoting from in the Book of Joel on Pentecost day regarding the 'cloven tongue' that everyone present heard in the very dialect of the town where they were born...

Joel 2:28-32
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
(KJV)

Those verses in bold are specifically about the time of the end just prior to Christ's second coming.
 

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Study Acts 2 and Peter's reference to Joel 2. THAT's what that event Christ gave in Matt.24 is about. It's for the last days, which is what the 5th Seal of Revelation is pointing to.


We are already in the last days which began when the Roman Empire came on the world stage. Study the book of Daniel and about the image that Nebuchadnezzar dreamed, which Daniel interpreted. The last metal that the image was made up of was iron which represented the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire will once again rise to world dominance in the not too distance future...as we speak steps are being taken to set up that Empire/government, or as it is commonly called the new world order...its deadly wound will be healed and the world will be surprised as its resurrection.
 

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We are already in the last days which began when the Roman Empire came on the world stage. Study the book of Daniel and about the image that Nebuchadnezzar dreamed, which Daniel interpreted. The last metal that the image was made up of was iron which represented the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire will once again rise to world dominance in the not too distance future...as we speak steps are being taken to set up that Empire/government, or as it is commonly called the new world order...its deadly wound will be healed and the world will be surprised as its resurrection.

You're still living way.... in past history with your timeline interpretation. You need to study more and get up to speed before it's too late, and the events coming upon the world catch you by surprise. I'd suggest you find another place that doesn't teach those Preterists ideas you're mentioning.
 

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You're still living way.... in past history with your timeline interpretation. You need to study more and get up to speed before it's too late, and the events coming upon the world catch you by surprise. I'd suggest you find another place that doesn't teach those Preterists ideas you're mentioning.

If you understood that prophecy you would see that I am talking about. The Roman Empire will rise again. The Roman Empire is will be the last world Empire before the return of Jesus. Like I said, the world think it is dead.....that it is in the past, never to rise again.........but they will be shocked when they see it rise again. If that Empire did came to a permanent end then Jesus would have already return, since it is during that Empire that Jesus will return.
 

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If you understood that prophecy you would see that I am talking about. The Roman Empire will rise again. The Roman Empire is will be the last world Empire before the return of Jesus. Like I said, the world think it is dead.....that it is in the past, never to rise again.........but they will be shocked when they see it rise again. If that Empire did came to a permanent end then Jesus would have already return, since it is during that Empire that Jesus will return.


Rome is NOT going to be an empire again, because the old Roman empire was a PAGAN empire with Jerusalem only as a captive city. We're shown JERUSALEM as the ruling city of the beast, not Rome.

The only connection of Rome today with the beast world system working is with internationalist groups in Rome like 'The Club of Rome'. They are allied with the EU Socialists. But the EU is allied with Communist Socialists. Communism has been trying for many years to infiltrate the Roman Church, and has already to a certain degree with many Communists members in it, especially among nations in South and Latin America.

Communism's plan is for a one-Socialist Europe, to include Italy and the rest of Europe, from the Atlantic ocean to the Ural mountains. An American type Union of nations is planned for nations in the Americas. And a Pacific Union is planned for nations in the Far East, creating a 3 section one world system. It's called Tri-Lateralism.
 

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Rome is NOT going to be an empire again, because the old Roman empire was a PAGAN empire with Jerusalem only as a captive city. We're shown JERUSALEM as the ruling city of the beast, not Rome.

The only connection of Rome today with the beast world system working is with internationalist groups in Rome like 'The Club of Rome'. They are allied with the EU Socialists. But the EU is allied with Communist Socialists. Communism has been trying for many years to infiltrate the Roman Church, and has already to a certain degree with many Communists members in it, especially among nations in South and Latin America.

Communism's plan is for a one-Socialist Europe, to include Italy and the rest of Europe, from the Atlantic ocean to the Ural mountains. An American type Union of nations is planned for nations in the Americas. And a Pacific Union is planned for nations in the Far East, creating a 3 section one world system. It's called Tri-Lateralism.


The book of Daniel plainly shows that it was the Roman Empire (the fourth kingdom) that came after Alexander's Empire and no other Empire was to come after the Roman Empire. And it is that same Empire that will be around when Jesus returns. The Bible says the world will marvle or wonder at it. Why would they do that? Because just as yourself they thought it would never rise again. Its deadly wound is going to be heald.

Revelation 13:3 (NKJV)
[sup]3 [/sup]And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

The Fourth and last kingdom

Jesus was born during forurth kingdom and when He returns that fourth kingdom will rise again. The only difference is that when it rise again it will be partly weak and partly strong, symbolized by the iron mix with clay.

Daniel 2:40-44 (NASB77)
[sup]40 [/sup]"Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so, like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces.
[sup]41 [/sup]"And in that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the toughness of iron, inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with common clay.
[sup]42 [/sup]"And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle.
[sup]43 [/sup]"And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery.
[sup]44 [/sup]"And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever.

Notice verse 44.....if the Roman Empire will never rise again then you would have one of two situations. 1. The kingdom of God would already be set, and has crushed all those kingdoms up and ruling over the Nations. 2. This scripture is wrong because the Roman Empire is dead and gone and Jesus has not returned. As the Jewish people were subjects of Rome so they will again. In fact, the Bible says that the Great tribulation will be a time of Jacubs throuble.

Jeremiah 30:7 (BBE)
[sup]7 [/sup]Ha! for that day is so great that there is no day like it: it is the time of Jacob's trouble: but he will get salvation from it.
 

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Nope. The Book of Daniel (Dan.2; 7) speaks of a ten horned beast kingdom that is "diverse" (different) from ALL... the previous beasts that came before it (Dan.7:7). That represents a 5th beast kingdom, the one with ten toes of part iron and part clay. The CLAY material is a brand new... feature of the 5th and final beast kingdom!

That final beast of iron and clay is to stamp the residue with its feet, the residue being all the previous beast kingdoms that came before it. In Daniel 2, when the image statue of the beast is struck upon its feet, it then all TOGETHER comes falling down. That is pointing to the final 5th beast kingdom including ALL the previous beast kingdoms within it!

That means... all the areas of the ancient Babylon empire, the Medo-Persian empire, the Macedonian empire, AND the Roman empire. That's pretty much ALL of the known world. And since the pattern of the beasts was each successive one covering MORE lands, and MORE peoples, that suggests the final 5th beast will cover ALL THE NATIONS AND PEOPLES ON THIS EARTH. Nobody... is going to be left out.

Can we SEE such a working on earth today like that, a structure of controls enforcing itself upon all peoples, and all nations? YES!!

It's called one-world globalism, and organizations like the United Nations is one of its structures today! Globalists have existed for decades already proclaiming their intent to establish a "one world government" over the whole earth. The Communist International has proclaimed the very same things too!

The final 5th beast kingdom over ALL nations represents the ideology of the ancient pagan mystery schools of occultism and the worship of Lucifer. The secret societies of occult initiation are those behind the Oz curtain pulling the strings. They are preparing the world today for the coming of 'their' king, their 'rock', Lucifer, to rule over it.
 

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Nope. The Book of Daniel (Dan.2; 7) speaks of a ten horned beast kingdom that is "diverse" (different) from ALL... the previous beasts that came before it (Dan.7:7). That represents a 5th beast kingdom, the one with ten toes of part iron and part clay. The CLAY material is a brand new... feature of the 5th and final beast kingdom!

If you notice that the feet that is mix with iron and clay and the calf of that image that is totally iron are one......they are joined together. It may seem like a different kingdom but it is the same or a continuation of that kingdom. The only thing that is added is clay....the feet.....but it is still a continuation of Roman Empire, that came on the world stage after Alexander the Great Empire was divided among his four generals. If it was a different Empire a different metal would have been used to represent it.


The final 5th beast kingdom over ALL nations represents the ideology of the ancient pagan mystery schools of occultism and the worship of Lucifer. The secret societies of occult initiation are those behind the Oz curtain pulling the strings. They are preparing the world today for the coming of 'their' king, their 'rock', Lucifer, to rule over it.

It is going to be a lot more than just an ideology the same way all those Empires before it was more than just an ideology.......they were a real and literal Empire and the resurrection of the Roman Empire will be a literal Empire just as it as in the past. And even now much of the world is still under Roman influence.......its deadly wound is going to be healed. People, around the world will not be able to buy or sell if they do not have what the book of Revelation calls the mark of the best......the Roman Empire that is to be revived will be that beast. It will once again dominate the world.
 

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If you notice that the feet that is mix with iron and clay and the calf of that image that is totally iron are one......they are joined together. It may seem like a different kingdom but it is the same or a continuation of that kingdom. The only thing that is added is clay....the feet.....but it is still a continuation of Roman Empire, that came on the world stage after Alexander the Great Empire was divided among his four generals. If it was a different Empire a different metal would have been used to represent it.




It is going to be a lot more than just an ideology the same way all those Empires before it was more than just an ideology.......they were a real and literal Empire and the resurrection of the Roman Empire will be a literal Empire just as it as in the past. And even now much of the world is still under Roman influence.......its deadly wound is going to be healed. People, around the world will not be able to buy or sell if they do not have what the book of Revelation calls the mark of the best......the Roman Empire that is to be revived will be that beast. It will once again dominate the world.


Oh, that 5th and final beast kingdom is going to INCLUDE Rome, but not a Roman Empire.

The occult initiate fraternities setting up Lucifer as their 'king of the world' will be about as literal as one can get.
 

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Oh, that 5th and final beast kingdom is going to INCLUDE Rome, but not a Roman Empire.

The occult initiate fraternities setting up Lucifer as their 'king of the world' will be about as literal as one can get.


That's not what I see......what I see is a kingdom, influenced by the false Church that will decide who will be able to buy or sell regardless of where they live or what Country. But it will be hard on people living in the U.S, Cannada for example and Christians worldwide.
 

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That's not what I see......what I see is a kingdom, influenced by the false Church that will decide who will be able to buy or sell regardless of where they live or what Country. But it will be hard on people living in the U.S, Cannada for example and Christians worldwide.

Then you're not watching Jerusalem like you should.
 

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We are already in the last days which began when the Roman Empire came on the world stage. Study the book of Daniel and about the image that Nebuchadnezzar dreamed, which Daniel interpreted. ...



Actually, both Scripture and History prove you wrong.

History records that the Roman Empire fell somewhere between ~425 and ~625 A.D., as determined by various factors. And of course Scripture proves you wrong per the sequence of 2:45, which separates the "clay" from the "iron", and thus places us in this "divided" empire where we have three superpowers.

Furthermore, Daniel 8 & 11 and Revelation 13 & 17 substantiate this circumstance.


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Actually, both Scripture and History prove you wrong.

History records that the Roman Empire fell somewhere between ~425 and ~625 A.D., as determined by various factors. And of course Scripture proves you wrong per the sequence of 2:45, which separates the "clay" from the "iron", and thus places us in this "divided" empire where we have three superpowers.

Furthermore, Daniel 8 & 11 and Revelation 13 & 17 substantiate this circumstance.


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So you are saying then that Jesus has already returned? You fail to understand not only what I have been saying to even more importantly what the scriptures are saying about the Roman Empire. It will rise again and will be destroyed by Jesus as His second coming.

Then you're not watching Jerusalem like you should.


I don't have to watch Jerusalem specifically. Jesus never specifically said that we are to watch Jerusalem. You pay attention to world events wherever it may be.
 

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For the religious, wait for this second coming: Jesus! Returning in the sky!

For those with ears to hear, strive for this second coming: Christ formed in you.