Timtofly
Well-Known Member
Is your contention Christ reigning on earth or us reigning on earth? You seem to need proof for one or the other. Because Revelation 20:4 clearly states:You keep just saying comments to me but you still are not providing even one scripture showing Jesus reigning on the earth with us for 1000 years
"and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
If Christ is not Jesus, who is this Christ? If this is not on earth, where John is experiencing Satan being cast into the pit, how did Christ get from the battle of Armageddon back into heaven? There was literally no change in the scene from earth back to heaven. That camp of the saints who were resurrected was still on earth after the 1,000 years. There was no change from earth to heaven period, after the battle of Armageddon. Amil have to prove their point that the scene changes from earth, to heaven 2,000 years ago, and then back to earth at the end. When Amil can prove that point With Scripture, not conjecture, they will have a point.
Amil can make Revelation 20 say anything, if they take the chapter out of context, or say it is too symbolic, it was not supposed to be taken literally. So no one literally rules and reigns with Christ? Because if that point is admitted, that is a literal interpretation, period. Amil cannot even claim a literal rule in the here and now. That would contradict Paul directly that we in Christ literally rule now. We don't need Revelation 20 to prove that, because Revelation 20 is not the same rule as the one ongoing since the Cross. There are two separate rules with Christ. The one since the Cross, that Paul describes. The rule with Christ after the Second Coming that John describes. Amil don't need to force people to accept their conflating the two rules. Amil can believe what they want to. But to deny a future rule as mentioned in Revelation 20, and then deny a rule is not even mentioned, makes no sense at all. It is right there, as ruling and reigning with Christ. Jesus is that Christ.
Revelation 20 declares that after Armageddon, Jesus is now ruling and reigning as Prince on earth. Daniel 9:24 is now in full effect, not just symbolically, to a few professing Christians on earth. Daniel 9:24 is the literal physical state of the whole earth and those resurrected. Now they rule over their offspring for 1,000 years per Isaiah 65:18-25. This is the iron rod rule of Christ the Prince, who is Jesus.
Not sure why any one needs to prove Jesus is Christ the Prince. Was Daniel 9:24-27 ever talking about any one else as Messiah the Prince than Jesus. Christ is the Greek word for the Hebrew Messiah. They both mean anointed by God. In fact Messianics is the Hebrew word meaning Christians. They were first called followers of Messiah in Antioch. Which means those in Antioch were the first to confess Jesus was the Christ, even if they were or were not mocking the point. Not many Jews had accepted that point. Except the 3,000 on Pentecost from all over the known world, who then went back to their homes. Not many locally ever did. Jerusalem was controlled by rebels soon after which literally destroyed the nation. Certainly those rebels were not followers of Jesus.
Daniel claims Messiah was cut off. Exactly what happened, now they would have to wait for the return of the Prince, who is still Jesus at the Second Coming. Jesus is still the Prince to come. Of course, many today are just as confused on that point, as Amil are. Christ is currently Prince in Paradise. The promise is to be Prince on earth, not above the earth. "Over the Earth" means to be physically involved, not hovering like airforce one or a drone. Matthew 25:31-32.
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"
This happens at the Second Coming and continues on earth for 1,000 years. Then in the NHNE, earthly Jerusalem is replaced with the New Jerusalem/Paradise from heaven. This verse proves the nations are not disintegrated by fire at the Second Coming. Just man's technology and those works that destroy the earth and cater to man's lust and sinful natures. Can Amil prove that Jesus brought the angels to earth 2,000 years ago and has been ruling since in Jerusalem, or is this the earthly reign at the Second Coming? The Prince to come that has clearly not happened yet.