Which major Christian church in the U.S. is closest to the truth?

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amigo de christo

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I have not read the Abraham accord.
It is probably a political statement in an attempt to get along.
Either way, it is not actually scripture.
most have not read it . THEY SHOULD .
Nor did many examine this religious tolerance , this religious freedom act .
IT was not created not meant to protect the true sheep at all .
IT was meant for the protection of the INCLUSIVE ones and for to help create and empower
this INCLUSIVE RELIGOIN of anti christ .
Yall should have examined these things .
However i do know many have not . THAT IS WHY i keep warning and remidning you all TO DO SO
and to get away from it .
 

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Whether or not it be a political statement in an attempt to get along , IT IS A LIE and that of ANTI CHRIST .
And our kingdom is not of this world .
I dont and flat out wont join hands with any who promote this JESUS CHRIST DENYING LIE and nor should you .
I tried to tell you that satan KNOWS HOW to make something seems as if ITS FOR OUR OWN GOOD and the GOOD OF THE WORLD
but it is A LIE . a lie .
And this sheep will not only NOT JOIN hands with it
BY the grace of the ONE and ONLY HOLY GOD and HIS CHRIST , by HIS indwelling SPIRIT
I AM GONNA EXPOSE THE ENTIRE THING . And warn against any man and woman i see
WHO is and has any part in it . I suggest you do the same .
For many are going to buy that LIE . And i sure dont want their blood on my hands .
THIS sheep warns and warn i shall . And i already fully know its gonna cost me a lot of hating coming at me .
A lot of false accusations which it already has . AND
i beleive in time even the death of a whole lot of sheep who continue to expose it .
OH WELL . JESUS HAS ME . IF my time aint up it aint up and when it is IT IS . I GOT A GOOD HOME
prepared by JESUS waiting on me and a whole new spiritual body too .
THE idea of the new heavens and new earth , SOUNDS LIKE PARADISe TO ME . this world aint my home .
MY is in the heavens and one day soon shall descend upon earth . So I do not fear what man can do to me
FOR GOD is my helper . I ONLY care about souls being saved and doing good for them .
SO oh yeah , I GOTTA warn all TO get far from that ecuemincal nightmare .

Well we do not worship the same God, that is for sure and certain.
But I do not think you would do well in politics.
 

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Well we do not worship the same God, that is for sure and certain.
But I do not think you would do well in politics.
ON that WE FULLY AGREE . heck no i would not do well in politics . This people would shoot me on day one .
CAUSE my KINGDOM is not of this world . SO i would say to all , TIME to PUT ALL FAITH AND ALL TRUST IN
the SON OF GOD , IN HIS CHRIST . TIME to repent of all and any wickedness and to serve and honor THE SON .
SO you spot on right about that . My kingdom is not political . and within it there is no democrac y .
THE GOD ALL MIGHTY AND HIS SON , THEY HAVE THE SAY SO and THEIR WORD IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY .
We have no vote in that matter . WHAT GOD says IS SUPREME and HIS SON .
SO its high time we remind the CHURCH about that , seeing they seem so darn adamant about being entitled
and having their own opinions and own versions of truth and what its trut h.
HERE IS TRUTH . and may all here, hear this reminder VERY CLEAR .
HERE IS TRUTH . GOD IS TRUTH , CHRIST IS TRUTH , HIS SPIRIT IS TRUTH and HIS WORDS are TRUTH .
AND amen TO THAT .
 
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How, exactly, should it be treated?

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How should it be treated? As a system of error that must be exposed, rejected, and not given a safe place beside the gospel.

When a religion adds Sabbath keeping, Ellen White, investigative judgment, dietary restrictions, or denominational loyalty to the finished work of Christ, it is corrupting grace. “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” ~Galatians 2:21.


Do not hide serious error behind the word “Christian.” “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump” ~Galatians 5:9. False doctrine is not harmless because sincere people believe it.

Christ said, “It is finished” ~John 19:30. Anyone who adds religious requirements to His finished work is preaching something God did not preach. “If any man preach any other gospel unto you…let him be accursed” ~Galatians 1:9.

Individual SDAs should be called out of that system and pointed to Christ alone. The system itself should not be defended, normalized, or treated as spiritually safe. It should be tested by Scripture and rejected where it contradicts Scripture.

That is exactly how it should be treated.
 
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How should it be treated? As a system of error that must be exposed, rejected, and not given a safe place beside the gospel.

When a religion adds Sabbath keeping, Ellen White, investigative judgment, dietary restrictions, or denominational loyalty to the finished work of Christ, it is corrupting grace. “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” ~Galatians 2:21.


Do not hide serious error behind the word “Christian.” “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump” ~Galatians 5:9. False doctrine is not harmless because sincere people believe it.

Christ said, “It is finished” ~John 19:30. Anyone who adds religious requirements to His finished work is preaching something God did not preach. “If any man preach any other gospel unto you…let him be accursed” ~Galatians 1:9.

Individual SDAs should be called out of that system and pointed to Christ alone. The system itself should not be defended, normalized, or treated as spiritually safe. It should be tested by Scripture and rejected where it contradicts Scripture.

That is exactly how it should be treated.
and now a word .
AND HOW should anything ecumeincal interfaith interreligious dialgoue be treated .
EXPOSED . exposed for the lie it is and who it is leading them all as one man RIGHT TOO .
And that there ecumeincalism has crept into every denonamition known to man
and came mainly from the RCC . This is the lie meant to merge the decieved religoins and
those that are decieved within christendom to be as one . And it wont be UNDER GOD
though it has come to claim it is OF GOD and IS HIS PLAN f or world peace . that one is a liar and the father of all lies .
We need to expose it and quickly too . its taking over everything now and its religoin of inclusivity
will become LAW .
 
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Well we do not worship the same God, that is for sure and certain.
But I do not think you would do well in politics.
i can assure you that JESUS nor any of them apostels would have done well in politics either .
IT was such that strung him up on a c ross .
THEY had already agreed that JESUS was a danger to their nation , that the POLITICAL ROMANS
would come and take their city IF HE was allowed to remain . SO let us never blend politics with church
state with church and world with church . That does not mean what the left , however tries to make it mean .
CAUSE THEY DO all TO REMOVE anything about GOD from this nation
UNDER THE GUISE that its church and state. NO ITS NOT .
BUT this ecmiencal movement IS CHURCH AND STATE , WORLD STATE .
it will cause the blood of many lambs to flow too . Let us rather preach JESUS
and of course pray for the leaders . BUT DO NOT support that ecumeincal intefaith .
 

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And you have every right to believe that, so long as your belief is founded on truth. Saying any denomination is dodgy or heretical or borderline Christian is real easy. Actually studying adventist doctrine and spending genuine time with prayer and dedicated time (the means by which they were forged in the beginning) and then coming to a conclusion either way, is much more the viable option and your opinion to be taken seriously. Many have come to me with what they believe at biblical arguments that refute Adventists teachings. But the bottom line is they are not at all biblical despite the use of texts they claim are supportive. Their theories really are just made up.
Like the argument that "Christ is my sabbath". That's made up. Despite biblical texts offered, none of them actually teach such a theory. People are being dishonest when they persist in what is functionally not there.
You accuse others of dishonesty, but you are the one ignoring what the texts actually say.

No, the exact phrase “Christ is my Sabbath” is not written as a quotation in the Bible. Neither is the word “Trinity.” The question is whether the doctrine is taught.

Christ said, “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest” ~Matthew 11:28. Hebrews says, “We which have believed do enter into rest” ~Hebrews 4:3. Paul says the Sabbath days were “a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ” ~Colossians 2:16-17.

The shadow pointed forward. Christ is the substance. That is not invented. That is what the text says.

You say people must study Adventism before their objections deserve consideration. No. Adventism must stand before Scripture. Prayer and dedication do not make false doctrine true. The prophets of Baal were sincere and dedicated too.

The investigative judgment is not taught in Scripture. Christ said, “It is finished” ~John 19:30, and “by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14. The believer “shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24.

Stop dismissing biblical correction as dishonesty simply because it exposes your denomination. “Let God be true, but every man a liar” ~Romans 3:4. Your loyalty must be to Christ and His Word, not to Adventism.
 

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So how should we treat it then? Harmful? Please explain how, specifically, the Adventist denomination has harmed people. While you are at it, you'll be able to offer some specific examples how the Adventist Church is unbiblical right? As i said, it's easy to make sweeping generalisations and quote a heap of long tired rumours about plagiarism and money making. But not so easy to honestly discuss actual Bible teachings.
Yes, Adventism is harmful, and your attempt to dismiss every correction as rumor is exactly how false systems protect themselves from Scripture.

The investigative judgment is not taught anywhere in the Bible. Christ did not begin reviewing believers in 1844. Jesus said, “It is finished” ~John 19:30. Scripture says, “By one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14. The believer “shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24. Adventism clouds the finished work of Christ with a doctrine invented to rescue a failed prophecy.

Then there is Ellen White. Calling her writings a continuing source of instruction and correction gives an extra-biblical voice authority over the church. Scripture already makes the man of God “throughly furnished unto all good works” ~2 Timothy 3:16-17. If Scripture fully furnishes us, Ellen White adds nothing necessary. If she adds necessary light, then Scripture was not sufficient. You cannot have it both ways.

Adventism also turns the seventh-day Sabbath into a badge of faithfulness and ties it to end-time loyalty. Yet God says, “Let no man therefore judge you...in respect of...the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ” ~Colossians 2:16-17. You are defending the shadow after Christ has come.

That is the harm. It burdens consciences, weakens assurance, elevates a false prophetic authority, and places believers under religious requirements the apostles never imposed upon the church.

You asked for Bible teaching. There it is. Stop demanding evidence and then waving it away because it condemns your denomination. “Let God be true, but every man a liar” ~Romans 3:4.

Your loyalty is showing. You are not testing Adventism by Scripture. You are twisting Scripture to protect Adventism. Repent before your denomination becomes more precious to you than the truth of God.
 

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The Torah is truth (Psalm 119:142), so look for the ones who are teaching to follow Christ's example of obedience to the Torah rather than the ones who are speaking against following his example.

The Torah is the beliefs of the Jews....They are still in the Old Covenant with Yahweh, one God. There is no salvation in the Old Covenant. Christians are in the New Covenant with the Trinity. None of the Torah's Laws pertain to Christians, Paul made that clear.
Then again, if you want to join the Jewish religion and you are not interested in salvation, I am sure the Jews will take you in.
 
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The Torah is the beliefs of the Jews....They are still in the Old Covenant with Yahweh, one God. There is no salvation in the Old Covenant. Christians are in the New Covenant with the Trinity. None of the Torah's Laws pertain to Christians, Paul made that clear.
Then again, if you want to join the Jewish religion and you are not interested in salvation, I am sure the Jews will take you in.
In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Torah, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace, which Paul also taught based on the Torah (Acts 14:21-22, 20:24-25, 28:23). Christ also set a singles example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of Paul as he is of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). So Jesus and Paul both spent their ministries teaching their followers to obey the Torah by word and by example and Christianity is about following what they taught, not about refusing to follow what they taught. The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused it to be needed in the first place, but rather it still involves following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 36:26-27).
 

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In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Torah, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace, which Paul also taught based on the Torah (Acts 14:21-22, 20:24-25, 28:23). Christ also set a singles example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of Paul as he is of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). So Jesus and Paul both spent their ministries teaching their followers to obey the Torah by word and by example and Christianity is about following what they taught, not about refusing to follow what they taught. The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused it to be needed in the first place, but rather it still involves following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 36:26-27).

The Jewish-Christians and most of the twelve did follow elements of the Torah and Jewish customs....ie polygamy and concubinage and worshiping in the Temple and sacrificing animals. That Christian sect died out before the end of 1st century.

The Gentile-Christians took the helm of the church and made the Lord's Day Sunday the weekly day of worship.
The meeting in Chapter 15 of Acts and the letter issued by James made it clear that the Gentile-Christians were not going to be following Mosaic Laws. And Paul made it clear that Gentile-Christians are not under the Law.

The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit
and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.

30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them.

As we see here at the meeting between Jewish-Christians and Gentile-Christian there are only four items….common sense items that are to concern Gentile-Christians.

2nd Corinthians 3:7-8 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

Galatians 3:12 “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us.....”

Galatians 3:1-5 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

Galatians 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

1st Corinthians 9:20 “And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, through not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law;”

Romans 4:15 “for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there violation.”

Romans 6:14 “For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.”

Romans 6:15 “What then? Are we to sin because we are not under the Law but under grace?”

Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath me free from the law of sin and death.”

Romans 7:6 “But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.”

Romans 7:8 “But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.”

2nd Corinthians 3:3 “being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of human hearts.

This follows Paul’s statement saying You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you….

Galatians 4:21 “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?”

Galatians 3:10 “For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Galatians 3:24-25 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Galatians 5:18 “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”

Galatians 2:16 “Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.”

Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Hebrews 8:13 “In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.”

Romans 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Not only are we not under the Old Testament Laws, the concept of Law is gone. The Mosaic Law was made up of 613 Laws, but still it was not enough to cover all the possible sins. If you broke one, you broke all of them and there was no forgiveness. Yeshua's teaching is matter of heart and mind, love God and love one another and do no wrong. In the New Covenant our sins are between us and Yeshua and if we confess our sins He if faithful to forgive us.
 
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How should it be treated? As a system of error that must be exposed, rejected, and not given a safe place beside the gospel.

When a religion adds Sabbath keeping, Ellen White, investigative judgment, dietary restrictions, or denominational loyalty to the finished work of Christ, it is corrupting grace. “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” ~Galatians 2:21.


Do not hide serious error behind the word “Christian.” “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump” ~Galatians 5:9. False doctrine is not harmless because sincere people believe it.

Christ said, “It is finished” ~John 19:30. Anyone who adds religious requirements to His finished work is preaching something God did not preach. “If any man preach any other gospel unto you…let him be accursed” ~Galatians 1:9.

Individual SDAs should be called out of that system and pointed to Christ alone. The system itself should not be defended, normalized, or treated as spiritually safe. It should be tested by Scripture and rejected where it contradicts Scripture.

That is exactly how it should be treated.
add in there mandatory tithing by gross pay.
 
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What was the major cry after the election of a new pope in the yeaer 2013.
What did it cry to the prostesetants and unto its own Realm .
TIME to HEAL THE WOUND . And p hrases like HEALING THE WOUND .
What did key leaders also in the protestant realm begin doing
THEY TOO started allowing mr TONY and others to come speak to their churches
and saying TIME TO HEAL THE WOUND .
Now what were some also seen doing , CRYING to GOD , or who they think is GOD
and saying , SEND FIRE FROM HEAVEN . NO KIDDING BRAKELITE .
Now does anything about that sound faimliar to YOU .
And a few years later i even saw a few jewish leaders saying , SEND FIRE FROM HEAVEN
and let us be the FIRE from heaven . And what were them wild eyed
protestants expecting to COME when they say and FIRE FROM HEAVEN . WHY they said MIRACLES .
Again do any of that sound familiar .
SOUNDS TO ME like THEY ALL bEING SET UP for
something WHOSE DEADLY WOUND WAS HEALED and FOR ONE who sends fire from heaven
and by the means OF THOSE MIRACLES deciev ed them .
And now look . EV EN the gospel is being denied more and more by these interfaithers
OH , I WOULD for sure say ITS ALL A SET UP , ALL OF IT A SNARE , as IF A DELUSION
of reprobation has been sent UPON this genertiaon.
And it seems FEW and only FEW can see what is going on around them . While most
just chant love peace and unity all day long and follow this ecumenical harlot
to what they THINK will be paradies of peace on earth . NOPE . GONNA be SUDDEN DESTRCUTION upon all
who joined hands with that harlot and drank of her cup of fornicatoin . ON JESUS DAY .
I wrote this 2014.
 

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The Torah is the beliefs of the Jews....They are still in the Old Covenant with Yahweh, one God. There is no salvation in the Old Covenant. Christians are in the New Covenant with the Trinity. None of the Torah's Laws pertain to Christians, Paul made that clear.
Then again, if you want to join the Jewish religion and you are not interested in salvation, I am sure the Jews will take you in.
And yet many jews who cliam to know torah , to beleive Moses , to be of Abraham and to do the law
CANNOT even hear the law , beleive not Moses , for if they DID they had beleived on CHRIST , and do not
the works of Abraham who when GOD spoke he believed GOD .
Torah , the prophets , from the beginning and before it was , GOD had long determined
The plan for the salvation of man and how to save man .
HIS NAME , JESUS CHRIST and how to be saved , BELEIVE YE ON HIM .
For it pleased the Father that by preaching to save those who BELIEVE . That is THE PEACE PLAN OF GOD .
To believe on JESUS and be reconciled to GOD and have peace with GOD .
Any peace plan that omits THE PEACE PLAN of GOD , is not the PEACE PLAN of GOD but is only of another
who came in his own name and cliams it to b e of GOD . When clearly it b e not of GOD or it had
NEVER removed the dire need to Beleive on JESUS and sold a lie to all false religoins and christendom .
Be encouraged my friend . TO the TRENCHES ONE and to the trenches all , Time to HONOR the SON
and UNBELIEF does Not honor but rather CALLS HIM a liar and thus does dishonor the SON and thus does Dishonor the FATHER .
 

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I wrote this 2014.
and now look at it . It has grown MUCH worse as the inclusive god has made great inroads into all houses
and its leaven has swollen them fuller and fu ller , till even now they add the greatest sin of all sins
UNBELIEF . JESUS is now being DENIED outright by even mouth . As
more and more join hands with a lie . A lie brakelite and their new
peace plan has denied the PEACE plan of GOD . WHICH is and was TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
thus to be reconciled to GOD and have peace WITH GOD .
SO conclusion . ONLY an anti christ and many anti christs would b ring in
this interfiath interreligious ecumiencal LIE and cliam ITS THE PEACE PLAN OF GOD .
SOUNDS to me like its A peace plan all right , BUT NOT OF GOD but rather of ..........
Who by PEACE shall DESTROY MANY . that be the dark one .
 

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How should it be treated? As a system of error that must be exposed, rejected, and not given a safe place beside the gospel.

When a religion adds Sabbath keeping, Ellen White, investigative judgment, dietary restrictions, or denominational loyalty to the finished work of Christ, it is corrupting grace. “If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” ~Galatians 2:21.


Do not hide serious error behind the word “Christian.” “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump” ~Galatians 5:9. False doctrine is not harmless because sincere people believe it.

Christ said, “It is finished” ~John 19:30. Anyone who adds religious requirements to His finished work is preaching something God did not preach. “If any man preach any other gospel unto you…let him be accursed” ~Galatians 1:9.

Individual SDAs should be called out of that system and pointed to Christ alone. The system itself should not be defended, normalized, or treated as spiritually safe. It should be tested by Scripture and rejected where it contradicts Scripture.

That is exactly how it should be treated.
Methinks you and others like you, are barking at the wrong tree.

If you would stand through the time of trouble, you must know Christ, and appropriate the gift of his righteousness, which he imputes to the repentant sinner. Human wisdom will not avail to devise a plan of salvation. Human philosophy is vain, the fruits of the loftiest powers of man are worthless, aside from the great plan of the divine Teacher. No glory is to redound to man; all human help and glory lies in the dust; for the truth as it is in Jesus is the only available agent by which man may be saved. Man is privileged to connect with Christ, and then the divine and the human combine; and in this union the hope of man must rest alone; for it is as the Spirit of God touches the soul that the powers of the soul are quickened, and man becomes a new creature in Christ Jesus. He was manifested to bring life and immortality to light. He says, “The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life.” The psalmist declares, “The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.”
Then let us study the word of God, that we may know him in whom there is no darkness at all. Jesus says, “He that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.” The theme that attracts the heart of the sinner is Christ, and him crucified. On the cross of Calvary, Jesus stands revealed to the world in unparalleled love. Present him thus to the hungering multitudes, and the light of his love will win men from darkness to light, from transgression to obedience and true holiness. Beholding Jesus upon the cross of Calvary arouses the conscience to the heinous character of sin as nothing else can do. It was sin that caused the death of God’s dear Son, and sin is the transgression of the law. On him was laid the iniquities of us all. The sinner then consents unto the law that it is good; for he realizes that it condemns his evil deeds, while he magnifies the matchless love of God in providing for him salvation through the imputed righteousness of Him who knew no sin, in whose mouth there was found no guile. RH November 22, 1892,

A small excerpt from just one article among thousands she wrote on righteousness by faith. Books she wrote like Steps to Christ echo the exact same sentiment from cover to cover. How common it is that Adventists can offer stark clear evidence that White taught biblical truth and the true gospel of grace through faith, while opponents can only come up with accusations without evidence.
 

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The Jewish-Christians and most of the twelve did follow elements of the Torah and Jewish customs....ie polygamy and concubinage and worshiping in the Temple and sacrificing animals. That Christian sect died out before the end of 1st century.

The Gentile-Christians took the helm of the church and made the Lord's Day Sunday the weekly day of worship.
The meeting in Chapter 15 of Acts and the letter issued by James made it clear that the Gentile-Christians were not going to be following Mosaic Laws. And Paul made it clear that Gentile-Christians are not under the Law.


















Galatians 3:12 “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us.....”



Galatians 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

1st Corinthians 9:20 “And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, through not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law;”

Romans 4:15 “for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there violation.”

Romans 6:14 “For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.”

Romans 6:15 “What then? Are we to sin because we are not under the Law but under grace?”

Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath me free from the law of sin and death.”

Romans 7:6 “But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.”

Romans 7:8 “But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.”

2nd Corinthians 3:3 “being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of human hearts.”

This follows Paul’s statement saying You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you….

Galatians 4:21 “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?”

Galatians 3:10 “For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Galatians 3:24-25 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Galatians 5:18 “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”

Galatians 2:16 “Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.”

Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Hebrews 8:13 “In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.”

Romans 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

The Jewish-Christians and most of the twelve did follow elements of the Torah and Jewish customs....ie polygamy and concubinage and worshiping in the Temple and sacrificing animals. That Christian sect died out before the end of 1st century.

The Gentile-Christians took the helm of the church and made the Lord's Day Sunday the weekly day of worship.
The meeting in Chapter 15 of Acts and the letter issued by James made it clear that the Gentile-Christians were not going to be following Mosaic Laws. And Paul made it clear that Gentile-Christians are not under the Law.

The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.



Farewell.

30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them.

As we see here at the meeting between Jewish-Christians and Gentile-Christian there are only four items….common sense items that are to concern Gentile-Christians.

2nd Corinthians 3:7-8 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

Galatians 3:12 “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us.....”

Galatians 3:1-5 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

Galatians 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

1st Corinthians 9:20 “And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, through not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law;”

Romans 4:15 “for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there violation.”

Romans 6:14 “For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.”

Romans 6:15 “What then? Are we to sin because we are not under the Law but under grace?”

Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath me free from the law of sin and death.”

Romans 7:6 “But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.”

Romans 7:8 “But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.”

2nd Corinthians 3:3 “being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of human hearts.”

This follows Paul’s statement saying You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you….

Galatians 4:21 “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?”

Galatians 3:10 “For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Galatians 3:24-25 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Galatians 5:18 “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”

Galatians 2:16 “Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.”

Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Hebrews 8:13 “In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.”

Romans 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God.

I won’t have time to reply to more until later, but if you think that the verses that you quoted should be interpreted in a way that turns them against obeying what God has commanded, then why are you not taking the position that Paul was an enemy of God and that we should follow God instead of Paul? Do you think that Paul had more authority than God?

In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying what He has commanded and that is true even if they perform signs and wonders, so if you agree with me that Paul was an enemy servant of God, then you should also be opposed to you interpreting those verses in a way that turns them against obeying what God has commanded, and you think that Paul should be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded, then you should be opposed to you considering him to be a servant of God, but Deuteronomy 13 does not leave room for us to consider him to be a servant of God while also thinking that he should be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded.
 

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In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God.

I won’t have time to reply to more until later, but if you think that the verses that you quoted should be interpreted in a way that turns them against obeying what God has commanded, then why are you not taking the position that Paul was an enemy of God and that we should follow God instead of Paul? Do you think that Paul had more authority than God?

In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying what He has commanded and that is true even if they perform signs and wonders, so if you agree with me that Paul was an enemy servant of God, then you should also be opposed to you interpreting those verses in a way that turns them against obeying what God has commanded, and you think that Paul should be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded, then you should be opposed to you considering him to be a servant of God, but Deuteronomy 13 does not leave room for us to consider him to be a servant of God while also thinking that he should be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded.

Of course Paul was not the enemy of God.
But as I posted Paul did not consider that Christians were under the Law
But pretty much the whole prims of Paul's ministry was about the fact that Christians are not under the law.
Whether it be the harassment his ministry received from the Jewish-Christians which lead up to the Christian meeting in Jerusalem in Acts chapter 15 to the letter that James sent out acknowledging that the Gentile-Christians do not observe the Mosaic Laws.
 

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A small excerpt from just one article among thousands she wrote on righteousness by faith. Books she wrote like Steps to Christ echo the exact same sentiment from cover to cover. How common it is that Adventists can offer stark clear evidence that White taught biblical truth and the true gospel of grace through faith, while opponents can only come up with accusations without evidence.
That quotation proves nothing except that Ellen White knew how to use biblical words.

The issue is not whether she sometimes wrote about Christ, grace, faith, or imputed righteousness. False teachers often mix truth with error. That is what makes them dangerous. A cup of poison does not become safe because most of it is water.

You claimed opponents offer “accusations without evidence,” but the evidence is in the doctrines themselves. Scripture does not teach an investigative judgment beginning in 1844. Scripture does not make seventh-day Sabbath observance a test of Christian faithfulness. Scripture does not authorize Ellen White as a prophetic interpreter of the Bible.

Paul did not say to accept a teacher because some of his words sound orthodox. He said, “Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” ~Galatians 1:8.

The apostles taught that Christ “by one offering hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14. They taught, “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday…or of the sabbath days” ~Colossians 2:16. Ellen White and Adventism add doctrines and obligations that the apostles did not teach.

Quoting one carefully selected paragraph does not erase those errors. Stop asking people to judge Ellen White by her best-sounding statements. Judge every doctrine she taught by Scripture. When that is done honestly, her claimed prophetic authority collapses.
 
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