Yes, the Holy Spirit lives in the heart / spirit of his born again child.....never ever to leave...we are His and only His. In Jesus Name, Amen!
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Michiah-Imla
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There’s your error.
You equate “born again” with “saved forever unconditionally”.
A grave error on your part; as I have already showed you scripture that proves this time and again…
Michiah-Imla
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No, start at verse 21:
RECONCILED
“And you, that were once alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:” (Colossians 1:21-22)
IF
“If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:23)
It sure does!
Jesus who saved you keeps you saved.
That's not you doing it by "holding unto your faith".
See, FAITH is not the Savior.
So, this means.... that Holding unto FAITH to try to stay saved, is trusting in FAITH, instead of Trusting in Christ.
That's you.
And as i told you 20 Times....
= Faith did not hang on the Cross for your sin.
= Faith is not your Savior, Michiah-imla.
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Michiah-Imla
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Yes, God has reconciled the world through The Cross of Christ.
And the born again, have received this BLOOD ATONEMENT = "reconciliation".
And when you never lose your faith, after you are eternally reconciled, then you are presented to God as THAT ONE.
FEW ARE THAT ONE their entire Christian Life.
Paul was one.
So again.... Your verse says that the person who is not moved away from faith, will be presented to God, in that Light.
It does not say......"will lose their Salvation", as you are REWRITING THE VERSE TO PROVE YOUR CULT THEOLOGY and Mentality, Michiah-imla.
You can't read, and if you could, it wont matter as you have a OBSESSION with trying to prove that Salvation can be lost.
And that is a continuing insult to the Cross of Christ and the Blood of Jesus.
Welcome to your "ministry".
Amen..
"Christ IN YOU, the hope of Glory". "Glory",= is heaven.
Jesus said..>"i will never LEAVE YOU, nor forsake you"., and He is not LYING.
Christ is IN US.........and He said He will "never LEAVE YOU"..
Heretics, who can't understand Salvation, do not believe that, and they instead try to prove that if they are not good enough, or do not hold unto faith, or do not confess all their sin.... or are not water baptized,= or whatever is on their SELF SAVING LIst....then they may not go to Heaven.
Here is the Update......
God, Christ and the Holy Spirit ... = LIVE in the born again Believer, and the Born again Believer is "one with God, "In Christ" and sealed by the Holy Spirit.
What does that mean?
It means that if a born again CHRISTian went to hell, then GOD, JESUS, and the HOLY SPIRIT would go there with them.
A.) Not going to happen.
There are no born again CHRISTians, in Hell.
There are NO unbelieving, Christ rejectors, never born again......in Heaven., and you can't be born again in Hell.
Michiah-Imla
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“And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you
1. holy and
2. unblameable and
3. unreproveable in his sight:
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel” (Colossians 1:21-23)
If you don’t continue as stipulated here, you will NOT be presented as:
1. holy and
2. unblameable and
3. unreproveable in his sight:
And as such:
“…the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
Jesus who saved you keeps you saved.
That's not you doing it by "holding unto your faith".
See, FAITH is not the Savior.
So....Holding unto FAITH to try to stay saved, is trusting in FAITH, instead of Trusting in Christ.
Thats you.
And as i told you 20 Times.
Faith did not hang on the Cross for your sin.
Faith is not your Savior, Michiah-imla.
Michiah-Imla
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Again with the insults.
The "insult" to the Cross, is to try to prove that Faith saves, instead of believing and Teaching that "only Jesus saves".
Realize yourself and stop doing that., as that ministry is not of God.
Let us know when you finally understand this, Michiah-Imla.
Michiah-Imla
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A WARNING TO THE SERVANT OF CHRIST
“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.” (Luke 12:45-46)
The "insult" to the Cross, is to try to prove that Faith saves, instead of believing and Teaching that "only Jesus saves".
Realize yourself and stop doing that., as that ministry is not of God.
Let us know when you finally understand this, Michiah-Imla.
if you are born again, then this is the "real you" that is currently "seated in Heavenly Places, in Christ".
That is not symbolic.
If you are born again, then you are "translated from darkness....TO LIGHT">
That is not symbolic.
Christ is the LIGHT of the World, His Father lives in LIGHT, and the born again are Children of the Light.
The word of God is Light.
All this, is NOT Symbolic.
The born again, have a dying body that exists on the Earth.
Inside this dying body is the "new CREATION" "in Christ", that is "seated in Heavenly places"..."Made Righteous".
See that part ?
That is the BORN AGAIN Spirit.
That is the REDEEMED Part. That is the made Righteous Part. That is the "One with God" ....real you, the "Son/Daughter" of God.
See that ?
That is the REAL YOU, if you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious.
This real you... cannot sin.. 1 ohn 3:9.
Has no sin......"being now made free from sin"..... Romans 6:22
That is not symbolic.
If you are born again, then you are "translated from darkness....TO LIGHT">
That is not symbolic.
Christ is the LIGHT of the World, His Father lives in LIGHT, and the born again are Children of the Light.
The word of God is Light.
All this, is NOT Symbolic.
The born again, have a dying body that exists on the Earth.
Inside this dying body is the "new CREATION" "in Christ", that is "seated in Heavenly places"..."Made Righteous".
See that part ?
That is the BORN AGAIN Spirit.
That is the REDEEMED Part. That is the made Righteous Part. That is the "One with God" ....real you, the "Son/Daughter" of God.
See that ?
That is the REAL YOU, if you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious.
This real you... cannot sin.. 1 ohn 3:9.
Has no sin......"being now made free from sin"..... Romans 6:22
Michiah-Imla
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You’re now suggesting that posting scripture that proves you wrong is an “insult” to the cross???
Oh boy…
Q.)???? Can Christ sin?
Is there any SIN in Christ?
The born again are "IN CHRIST".
You have to think about that....., You have to learn to believe that, as that is the REAL YOU in there.
So, what part of you is not born again, that God has to "perfect"...... Is your question.
It can't be your Born again Spirit, as that is "One with God, In Christ""" that is the Child of the Light.
So, what has to be dealt with that isnt born again?
= Your mind is not born again, and neither is your body.
This is why you will get a NEW BODY, if you are born again, and this is why you are told by PAUL = to RENEW your mind, if you are born again.
Is there any SIN in Christ?
The born again are "IN CHRIST".
You have to think about that....., You have to learn to believe that, as that is the REAL YOU in there.
So, what part of you is not born again, that God has to "perfect"...... Is your question.
It can't be your Born again Spirit, as that is "One with God, In Christ""" that is the Child of the Light.
So, what has to be dealt with that isnt born again?
= Your mind is not born again, and neither is your body.
This is why you will get a NEW BODY, if you are born again, and this is why you are told by PAUL = to RENEW your mind, if you are born again.
God renewed your SPIRIT, ...as Born again, that became a ETERNAL... """NEW CREATION>..In Christ.""""""
But He did not renew your mind.
You are told to do that... and until you do, you will think you are a sinner, sinning, and might lose your salvation, and a Cult will get you and destroy your Christianity.
Hebrews 13:9
So, the process of giving you Eternal Salvation , fell to God, and He did it through the Cross of Christ for you as "the gift of Salvation", 2000 yrs ago.
He saved you...= BORN AGAIN...... Finished Salvation.
Now, you are in the process, (if you are born again, and not just water baptized)....of perfecting your discipleship by renewing your mind, which is to "work out your Salvation"
Not earn it....but "work IT out.".
You've read that you are to "work out your salvation"...and that does not mean to try to keep from losing it, as a Religious Legalist will teach you.
But rather this means that you are to learn how to exist correctly within the Salvation that God has provided you, as a Gift, through the Cross of Christ.
If you are born again, you are IN The Kingdom of God already.. And now you have to learn how to exit there, by REAL faith, that is the RENEWED mind.
This is why God sends a real teacher.
You have to learn.
Listen.........>"Jesus LEARNED obedience by the Things HE SUFFERED", and you have to learn the New Testament, and that is why God gives, Pastors, Teachers, Apostles, Prophets, ... all of this.......so that you can be "Faith Perfected", or, you'll just stumble and fall, and be confused and find frustration and worry.
So, when you read an Apostle talking to unbelievers, He'll talk to them about their SIN.
About getting rid of it, by confessing, which is what most people do, when they are getting saved.
They ADMIT they are horrible, sinners, lost,.....needing Christ.
"REPENTING".... and "Believing".
Turning from unbelief TO FAITH.
But He did not renew your mind.
You are told to do that... and until you do, you will think you are a sinner, sinning, and might lose your salvation, and a Cult will get you and destroy your Christianity.
Hebrews 13:9
So, the process of giving you Eternal Salvation , fell to God, and He did it through the Cross of Christ for you as "the gift of Salvation", 2000 yrs ago.
He saved you...= BORN AGAIN...... Finished Salvation.
Now, you are in the process, (if you are born again, and not just water baptized)....of perfecting your discipleship by renewing your mind, which is to "work out your Salvation"
Not earn it....but "work IT out.".
You've read that you are to "work out your salvation"...and that does not mean to try to keep from losing it, as a Religious Legalist will teach you.
But rather this means that you are to learn how to exist correctly within the Salvation that God has provided you, as a Gift, through the Cross of Christ.
If you are born again, you are IN The Kingdom of God already.. And now you have to learn how to exit there, by REAL faith, that is the RENEWED mind.
This is why God sends a real teacher.
You have to learn.
Listen.........>"Jesus LEARNED obedience by the Things HE SUFFERED", and you have to learn the New Testament, and that is why God gives, Pastors, Teachers, Apostles, Prophets, ... all of this.......so that you can be "Faith Perfected", or, you'll just stumble and fall, and be confused and find frustration and worry.
So, when you read an Apostle talking to unbelievers, He'll talk to them about their SIN.
About getting rid of it, by confessing, which is what most people do, when they are getting saved.
They ADMIT they are horrible, sinners, lost,.....needing Christ.
"REPENTING".... and "Believing".
Turning from unbelief TO FAITH.
When you read 1 John 3:9, it shows you the born again are being addressed... and that is why John says they "can't sin".
If you follow up and read Romans 4:8 and 2 Corinthians 5:19 .. you'll find out that God does not charge the born again with their sin.......ever again.
How can He? He has already JUDGED Christ on the CROSS for them all.
So, if you are confessing , and yet....you can't sin, as 1 John 3 tells you, and you read that God does not charge you with your sin if you are born again in Romans 4:8 and 2nd Corinthians 5:19. ...then its possible that if you reflect on this Truth prayerfully , ... God will show you what i just showed you as 2 verses that seem to contradict 1 John 1:9.
In fact they dont.
They just confirm that when you are "made righteous" by the Blood of God, then Sin cant be changed later to you, as "God has made Jesus to be SIN for US".
"Jesus is the one time ETERNAL SACRIFICE for sin".
You dont confess sin to be accepted by God, again, and again, exactly like you dont keep getting saved over and over...
See, the Cross Christ, that is the BLOOD Atonement, the New Covenant,= the GRACE OF GOD = is why God accepted you....So, did you do that, or did Christ do that for you so that God would have you?
So, confessing sin, is to not understand the Blood Atonement, or the "New Covenant", or the "Gift of Righteousness" or "the Gift of Salvation" = as why "God does not charge sin to the born again, ever again.
2 Corinthians 5:19
Romans 4:8
If you follow up and read Romans 4:8 and 2 Corinthians 5:19 .. you'll find out that God does not charge the born again with their sin.......ever again.
How can He? He has already JUDGED Christ on the CROSS for them all.
So, if you are confessing , and yet....you can't sin, as 1 John 3 tells you, and you read that God does not charge you with your sin if you are born again in Romans 4:8 and 2nd Corinthians 5:19. ...then its possible that if you reflect on this Truth prayerfully , ... God will show you what i just showed you as 2 verses that seem to contradict 1 John 1:9.
In fact they dont.
They just confirm that when you are "made righteous" by the Blood of God, then Sin cant be changed later to you, as "God has made Jesus to be SIN for US".
"Jesus is the one time ETERNAL SACRIFICE for sin".
You dont confess sin to be accepted by God, again, and again, exactly like you dont keep getting saved over and over...
See, the Cross Christ, that is the BLOOD Atonement, the New Covenant,= the GRACE OF GOD = is why God accepted you....So, did you do that, or did Christ do that for you so that God would have you?
So, confessing sin, is to not understand the Blood Atonement, or the "New Covenant", or the "Gift of Righteousness" or "the Gift of Salvation" = as why "God does not charge sin to the born again, ever again.
2 Corinthians 5:19
Romans 4:8
Michiah-Imla
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THE BORN AGAIN SAINT CAN BE CUT OFF
“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:22)
“""""""Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin… In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil…"""""""
1 John 3:9
Now.....Notice that the verse is defining the born again as "does not commit sin", and the sinner is the child of the devil.
What does that mean?
It means that the born again, is the born again Spirit, and that is the "one who does not sin"., as the born again Spirit is "one with God" "In Christ".
The Born again, are joined to God, and "God is A Spirit".
See that?
Whereas the unbeliever, is not the born again spirit, they are the dead spirit, still separated from God, in the dying body, that has their sin.
They are IN sin, have sin, and are sinners.
The born again are not any of this...ever again, having been BORN AGAIN.
1 John 3:9
Now.....Notice that the verse is defining the born again as "does not commit sin", and the sinner is the child of the devil.
What does that mean?
It means that the born again, is the born again Spirit, and that is the "one who does not sin"., as the born again Spirit is "one with God" "In Christ".
- That is not the mind or the body.... this is not your thinking. Its not your mind..., and you have to get that, you have to see that, reader., as its the born again SPIRIT, that is the "child of God" and the "new Creation in Christ". "Made righteous".
The Born again, are joined to God, and "God is A Spirit".
See that?
Whereas the unbeliever, is not the born again spirit, they are the dead spirit, still separated from God, in the dying body, that has their sin.
They are IN sin, have sin, and are sinners.
The born again are not any of this...ever again, having been BORN AGAIN.
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