Who is : "Made perfect"

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“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:22)

if we are faithless, God remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

New Living Translation
If we are unfaithful, God remains faithful, for God cannot deny who he is.

King James Bible
If we believe not, yet God abideth faithful: God cannot deny himself.

What does that mean?

It means that how you THINK in your HEAD, today, or next week, .... has no relevance being already Born again, 'In Christ" "one with God".

Why?

Because "GOD who started salvation in the Born again, will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to COMPLETE IT">

 

[Michiah-Imla]

1 John 3:9

Now.....Notice that the verse is defining the born again as "does not commit sin"

What does that mean?

It means if he does sin, IT’S A WILLFUL ACT OF SIN.

Hence the warning here:

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

 

[Behold]

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

All sin is willful., as if its not willful, then its not charged to the person.

what does that mean?

It means that everytime a believer decides to enjoy a carnal deed, a "work of the flesh", they knew it.


So, your verse that is Talking to the Hebrews, who are not saved, is not talking to the body of Christ.

Let me show you a reality.

All HERETICS....... live in : Matthew, James, and Hebrews.

Its what breeds them. Its where the Devil destroyed their faith, and has them preaching His gospel of "works and lose salvation".

 

[Michiah-Imla]

All sin is willful

You’re Wrong.

“And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.” (Numbers 15:27)

“But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.” (Numbers 15:30-31)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

All HERETICS....... live in : Matthew, James, and Hebrews.

I live in a house.

But I do read those Bible books regularly along with all the other holy scriptures.

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

your verse that is Talking to the Hebrews

No, it’s talking to us.

I wouldn’t continue believing that error if I were you…

 

[brightfame52]

Salvation, is the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.

Jesus is Salvation.
Not works.
Not water.

To be born again, is to be spiritually birthed by the Holy Spirit into God, who is "A Spirit".
This is to become "one with God" "in Christ".

You said that redemption from the curse of the law didn't apply until one is born again. New Birth is the work of the Spirit, not the work of the Cross. In other words the Holy Spirit wasnt made a curse on the cross to redeem them He died for from the curse of the law. Jesus accomplished that, but again you deny that it was applied to their account, not until a subsequent work of the Spirit. Thats a denial of Christs work !

 

[Behold]

You said that redemption from the curse of the law didn't apply until one is born again.

The law is not created for the Righteous. Its created for the sinner.

The born again, are "made righteous", 'in Christ".

There is no Moses law found there., as the born again are 'not under the law, but under GRACE".
There is no Moses law in Heaven.

Does God need it?
Does Jesus?
And the BORN AGAIN, are 'IN CHRIST"...... "Seated in Heavenly places".... "one with God".


The law is designed to bring you to GOD, through CHRIST, so that your are "redeemed from the Curse of the Law, by Christ"

"Christ is the END of the law to/for everyone who BELIEVES"

Who is it that Believes?

The "believing" sinner who is now become Born again., = as "made righteous" having become "THE righteousness of GOD....in Christ".

 

[brightfame52]

The law is not created for the Righteous. Its created for the sinner.

The born again, are "made righteous", 'in Christ".

There is no Moses law found there., as the born again are 'not under the law, but under GRACE".
There is no Moses law in Heaven.

Does God need it?
Does Jesus?
And the BORN AGAIN, are 'IN CHRIST"...... "Seated in Heavenly places".... "one with God".


The law is designed to bring you to GOD, through CHRIST, so that your are "redeemed from the Curse of the Law, by Christ"

"Christ is the END of the law to/for everyone who BELIEVES"

Who is it that Believes?

The "believing" sinner who is now become Born again., = as "made righteous" having become "THE righteousness of GOD....in Christ".

You said all that to say nothing to change the fact that you deny Christs death alone redeemed from the curse of the law them He died for. Gal 3:13. Now you said it didnt occur by the cross, but by the Spirit in regeneration.

 

[Behold]

You said all that to say nothing to change the fact that you deny Christs death alone redeemed from the curse of the law t

"Christ is the end of the Law for Rightouesness, for everyone who believes".

Result?

"Christ has redeemed the born again, from the Curse of the LAW"

Result?

The born again """are NOT under the law, but under Grace"...

 

[brightfame52]

"Christ is the end of the Law for Rightouesness, for everyone who believes".

Result?

"Christ has redeemed the born again, from the Curse of the LAW"

Result?

The born again """are NOT under the law, but under Grace"...

You still denying Jesus death. Are those who Christ died for redeemed from the curse of the Law prior to their being born again and believing ? Yes or No

 

[Behold]

You still denying Jesus death.

How many more times do you want me to talk about the CROSS as our Redemption, Salvation.

The Cross is where JESUS DIED.

No denying that, brightframe52.

Listen.

NO CROSS
NO SALVATiON

NO CROSS
NO Redemption.

No Cross
No New Covenant

No Cross
No "In Christ".

 

[brightfame52]

How many more times do you want me to talk about the CROSS as our Redemption, Salvation.

The Cross is where JESUS DIED.

No denying that, brightframe52.

Listen.

NO CROSS
NO SALVATiON

NO CROSS
NO Redemption.

No Cross
No New Covenant

No Cross
No "In Christ".

You said people Christ died for arent redeemed from the curse of the law. Thats denial because they are Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Are those who Christ died for redeemed from the curse of the Law prior to their being born again and believing ? Yes or No

 

[ChristisGod]

How many more times do you want me to talk about the CROSS as our Redemption, Salvation.

The Cross is where JESUS DIED.

No denying that, brightframe52.

Listen.

NO CROSS
NO SALVATiON

NO CROSS
NO Redemption.

No Cross
No New Covenant

No Cross
No "In Christ".

yep

and no faith ,no in Christ.

he teaches one is on Christ before faith, before salvation, before ones physical and spiritual birth and before creation. its heresy.

 

[07-07-07]

Jesus seeks to make His Bride perfect.

Ephesians 5
[25] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

 

[Behold]

Jesus seeks to make His Bride perfect.

Ephesians 5
[25] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

It's already happened.
See, Jesus is not coming back to make the Bride spotless.
He's coming back for the BORN AGAIN, Bride, that is "made Righteous"..already, = by Christ's Blood, Death, and Resurrection.

He's coming back to GET His Bride, not to create His Bride.

Notice this :

""and GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT">...= (The Bride)..... That is Jesus on the Cross, making an eternal sacrifice, and here is the result..

"Present it (The Bride) to Himself"...

"Not having spot or wrinkle".

And what Caused that?

A.) The Blood Atonement. (The Cross of Christ)

 

[07-07-07]

If Jesus already made believers perfect, without spot or blemish, then there would be no need for the teachings and admonishments by the Apostles to the Church.

Titus 2
[11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
[12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
[13] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[14] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[15] These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

 

[Behold]

If Jesus already made believers perfect,

Let me help you understand something. 070707

First, was Jesus perfect?
Wasn't He perfect?
Would you agree that the Holy Son of God, was PERFECT in every way?
Yes?
You agree?
Need to think about that one?
So....
He was sinless, He was God in the Flesh. He kept the Law, the Commandments.
He was GOD LIKE, in Behavior, Thought, and Desire., every day He was here, and before He was here, and after He left.

Do you believe this?

So now then read this verse.......

1.) = """Jesus learned obedience by the things He suffered"""".

= "LEARNED OBEDIENCE"...... = JESUS. who was PERFECT.

See that, 070707?

See that READERS ???

So, you can be perfect, "in Christ", born again, as "one with God", and still there is this = "Present your body a living sacrifice". "Take up your Cross"...

So, while its true that the Born again is eternally "made righteous",.... they still have a "COURSE" to complete. = Just like Paul who said, "i have finished my course".

All the born again, are "the Righteousness of God , in Christ"....but, we have our "course" to run......daily.

 

[Behold]

Yes, so were they Justified before God by Christs Offering before they were regenerated and become believers ?

Jesus paid for the sin of the world, on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago.

"FInished" he said from the Cross.
His Bodily Resurrection proves its TRUE.

Then, sinners came for this eternal salvation.......one at at time "by Faith".,...we trusted in Christ who is our Salvation.


John 3:16-17

2nd Corinthians 5:19

 

[Behold]

If Jesus already made believers perfect, without spot or blemish, then there would be no need for the teachings and admonishments by the Apostles to the Church.

"Perfect" in the eternal sense of "made righteous".. having become "The righteousness of God, IN Christ'".

This is the Salvation that is found "in Christ"., It is our eternal standing with God...as His "Son/Daughter"..."new Creation, in Christ'.

That's not your behavior.

Behavior that follows Salvation, is our discipleship, and that is where we "present our bodies as a living sacrifice, to God".