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That 'real tobacco' sounds like another subject.bbyrd009 said:i quit cigarettes for a year, a couple times, and i now smoke about 4-6 hand rolled real tobacco, no additive cigarettes a day. so, not sure how to vote, lol.
ah, well, i still don't recommend them, but i noticed quitting Marlboros, store boughts, there is a chemical addiction that is actually much worse than any tobacco addiction.Stranger said:That 'real tobacco' sounds like another subject.
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Enjoy your 'ready rolls'.bbyrd009 said:ah, well, i still don't recommend them, but i noticed quitting Marlboros, store boughts, there is a chemical addiction that is actually much worse than any tobacco addiction.
I know vaping isn't necessarily without its downsides.bbyrd009 said:that's actually why i started rolling my own, and discovered that i was actually withdrawing from the chemical bath and not nicotine. One pack of Bugler will show you this. You will still be jonesing, even as you are light-headed from nicotine lol. I would at least be aware of the downsides to vaping, before i got into that.
I guess also it relates to what is meant by 'addictive'. (On the other thread, tattooing is even described as an 'addiction'.)bbyrd009 said:i think it kind of depends upon how addictive you are. an advantage to the bugler is they are not as "enjoyable" imo
well, good point, i think there is psychological addiction, and physical addiction, and i notice now that having kicked the physical addiction of at least the chemicals in store-bought cigarettes (which was quite real and demonstrable, as anyone who is out of their brand and bums a smoke from someone else might witness; their craving is not satisfied), and prolly also the psychological addiction of the oral and hand fixation, i guess, i hadn't really thought about that, that was a big component, too, anything you do 20 times a day must be looked at strictly from a ritual pov also, but anyway the point is the nicotine addiction is likely the least of the issues, i can go without a smoke for a day or whatever now, don't even take them with me on outings or anything, for anything less than overnighters.farouk said:I guess also it relates to what is meant by 'addictive'. (On the other thread, tattooing is even described as an 'addiction'.)
I suppose it is a sort of ritual for some ppl. I guess social smoking is particularly a ritual. Part of the challenger for quitters, when with friends who smoke socially, is not to smoke when others do so.bbyrd009 said:well, good point, i think there is psychological addiction, and physical addiction, and i notice now that having kicked the physical addiction of at least the chemicals in store-bought cigarettes (which was quite real and demonstrable, as anyone who is out of their brand and bums a smoke from someone else might witness; their craving is not satisfied), and prolly also the psychological addiction of the oral and hand fixation, i guess, i hadn't really thought about that, that was a big component, too, anything you do 20 times a day must be looked at strictly from a ritual pov also, but anyway the point is the nicotine addiction is likely the least of the issues, i can go without a smoke for a day or whatever now, don't even take them with me on outings or anything, for anything less than overnighters.
So, i guess nicotine patches would highlight this the quickest, because the ritual has been removed, whereas with vape you got the ritual, and can more precisely adjust the nicotine.
ya, i guess it hits everyone different, the ritual part. That was not large for me, but i still had a big chemical withdrawal, so it was interesting to discover at least 3 addictive components, iow, and the nicotine is likely the least of them, or at least for me it was.farouk said:I suppose it is a sort of ritual for some ppl. I guess social smoking is particularly a ritual. Part of the challenger for quitters, when with friends who smoke socially, is not to smoke when others do so.
Interesting that the nicotine for you was not the most addictive aspect.bbyrd009 said:ya, i guess it hits everyone different, the ritual part. That was not large for me, but i still had a big chemical withdrawal, so it was interesting to discover at least 3 addictive components, iow, and the nicotine is likely the least of them, or at least for me it was.
well, i guess tats can be psychologically addictive, as can any ego-reinforcing gesture.farouk said:Interesting that the nicotine for you was not the most addictive aspect.
I guess that with the term 'addictive' there are various layers of meaning and intensity. (In the other thread I started on whether tattoos are additive, I guess the term 'addicitive' is being used loosely.)