WHY ARE MANY OF US STILL HERE?

[bbyrd009]

It was the sign of the covenant God made with Abraham and continued with Moses. When Christ abolished it, only believers were left as Israel. Unbelievers broken off.

Ty for the sermon, and you didn't answer the Q
Dave

 

[Dave L]

The prior Covenants have NOT been nullified. They were put aside temporarily in order for God to make for Himself a people among the Gentiles. See Romans 11:25-26.

Jeremiah says the New Covenant replaced the Old. You deny Christ saying we are still under it, animal sacrifices and all.

 

[Dave L]

Ty for the sermon, and you didn't answer the Q
Dave

That's all you get.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Jews = religion not race. God made us all of one blood.

Abraham's spiritual seed is the Church. His physical seed is Israel. They have been promised a physical Kingdom. God fulfills His promises even though humans do not.

 

[bbyrd009]

That's all you get.

the truth is painfully apparent enough I guess Dave

 

[Dave L]

Abraham's spiritual seed is the Church. His physical seed is Israel. They have been promised a physical Kingdom. God fulfills His promises even though humans do not.

No physical seed since Christ abolished circumcision.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Circumcision made one a physical Jew and member of Israel. No circumcision = no physical Israel.

Believing Jews are still circumcising their baby boys to this day.

 

[Dave L]

Believing Jews are still circumcising their baby boys to this day.

But Christ removed it as the means of becoming a physical Jew or member of Israel.

 

[Waiting on him]

Believing Jews are still circumcising their baby boys to this day.

Jesus is circumcising hearts every day

 

[Waiting on him]

But Christ removed it as the means of becoming a physical Jew or member of Israel.

He’s still performing it every day

 

[Waiting on him]

No physical seed since Christ abolished circumcision.

Only spiritual seed. It remains in us

 

[Enoch111]

Jews = religion not race.

The Jews, or more specifically those from the 12 tribes of Israel, are a Semitic *race* (ethnic group) descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel. Their nation was called Israel because of their ancestor Jacob/Israel. They were all Hebrews descended from Eber. There is no getting around this FACT.

Their religion was that which was under the Old Covenant (the Law of Moses), which included the tabernacle and the temple. Israel was meant to be a theocracy, but because they wanted a human king, they got him (Saul), and subsequently Israel split into the Northern Kingdom (kingdom of Israel) and the Souther Kingdom (the kingdom of Judah). Jesus of Nazareth was the King-Messiah of Israel, a Hebrew of the Hebrews

God made us all of one blood.

This simply means that there is only ONE HUMAN RACE, with many ethnic groups called *races* (rightly or wrongly). Which also means that racism is evil, because God views all of humanity as simply two groups -- the saved and the lost. During the Church age, the Jews are not being treated by God as a separate entity, but Anti-Semitism is also evil.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Jeremiah says the New Covenant replaced the Old. You deny Christ saying we are still under it, animal sacrifices and all.

I didn't say WE were still under the older Covenants. As Gentiles, we are under the New Covenant.

 

[Dave L]

The Jews, or more specifically those from the 12 tribes of Israel, are a Semitic *race* (ethnic group) descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel. Their nation was called Israel because of their ancestor Jacob/Israel. They were all Hebrews descended from Eber. There is no getting around this FACT.

Their religion was that which was under the Old Covenant (the Law of Moses), which included the tabernacle and the temple. Israel was meant to be a theocracy, but because they wanted a human king, they got him (Saul), and subsequently Israel split into the Northern Kingdom (kingdom of Israel) and the Souther Kingdom (the kingdom of Judah). Jesus of Nazareth was the King-Messiah of Israel, a Hebrew of the Hebrews

This simply means that there is only ONE HUMAN RACE, with many ethnic groups called *races* (rightly or wrongly). Which also means that racism is evil, because God views all of humanity as simply two groups -- the saved and the lost. During the Church age, the Jews are not being treated by God as a separate entity, but Anti-Semitism is also evil.

But blood relatives became excommunicated gentiles if not circumcised.

 

[Dave L]

I didn't say WE were still under the older Covenants. As Gentiles, we are under the New Covenant.

There are no unbelieving Jews or members of Israel today. Those who do not believe are frauds claiming tho be Israel.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

No physical seed since Christ abolished circumcision.

When did He do that? He was undoubtedly circumcised Himself. Paul circumcised Timothy.

 

[Dave L]

When did He do that? He was undoubtedly circumcised Himself. Paul circumcised Timothy.

Jesus abolished the OT and circumcision on the cross.

 

[Waiting on him]

When did He do that? He was undoubtedly circumcised Himself. Paul circumcised Timothy.

??

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Jesus is circumcising hearts every day

Why is that relevant to the point I was making about a physical Kingdom promised to Israel? Ezekiel said it would come to pass in "the distant future".

 

[bbyrd009]

Huh? I never thought that it was anything but spiritual.

Fwiw I did an informal poll years ago, just basically asked ppl who said that, but we could do it again maybe? As I recall all of the answers, to a man, amounted to "I'm shortly leaving planet earth"

 

[Jay Ross]

But Christ removed it as the means of becoming a physical Jew or member of Israel.

No physical seed since Christ abolished circumcision.

Dave this may be true for gentiles coming to Christ but for a direct descendant of Abraham circumcision is a covenantal requirement for them.

Genesis 17:9-14: - 9 And God said to Abraham: "As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations/the ages. 10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; 11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations/in the ages, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."​

Dave I do not see a sunset clause in this covenantal requirement.