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  1. GISMYS_7

    GISMYS_7 Well-Known Member

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    Abortion Was The Leading Cause Of Death Worldwide In 2019, Killing 42 Million People
    More human beings died in abortions than any other cause of death in 2019, a new report indicates. A heartbreaking reminder about the prevalence of abortion, statistics compiled by Worldometers indicate that there were over 42.3 million abortions world-wide in 2019. The independent site collects data from governments and other reputable organizations and then reports the data, along with estimates and projections, based on those numbers. When contrasting the abortion numbers to other causes of death, including cancer, HIV/AIDS, traffic accidents and suicide, abortions far outnumbered every other cause. Abortion Was The Leading Cause Of Death Worldwide In 2019, Killing 42 Million People
     
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    Isaiah 5:20
    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
    Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
    Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
     
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    You cannot die from an abortion if you have never been a living being. A fetus expelled in an abortion, is not a living being.

    The non-biblical anti-abortion cult, is just a religion of their own fantasies.

    Nowhere does the Bible ever say "Thou shalt not have an abortion!!"
     
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    Every single cell in one's body is a living organism, which collectively constitutes a living being. Life is life, it must start somewhere, no living being bypasses the fetal stage. It is as imperative to life as any seed or conception.
    Only a stone one cannot kill, or sand, but all other organic entities that are conceived and grow, inherently have life within them, ...in other words, life does not get added at a later stage, for it would never get off the ground without it.

    Abortion is only for callous and selfish, little devilish children, who can't behave responsibly and control themselves. They want to act like adults but are unworthy of it, as they prove that they can't handle the implications or ramifications of playing adult games. They can't finish what they started, but just make a complete mess of their endeavor into the world of the mature and serious.
     
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    A novel personal hypothesis on your part, most of which is the antithesis of what Scripture says. Sounds like you subscribe to some sort of anti-Biblical anti-abortion cult. Can you support a single thing you say, from Scripture??
     
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    It's not required under such circumstances, you should know better than to ask such a question, as many specific situations are not necessarily addressed in scripture, even though the broad or general principles are there?
    Do i need to justify through scripture that smoking cigarettes is wrong, or relying on medication, or watching too much sitcoms or soap operas or violent movies, or eating candy, or wasting money, or gambling, or playing too many video games,...?
    Life teaches us what is efficacious and edifying, what is not selfish or hypocritical, ...if one is being honest with them self, they would recognize that their motive behind abortion is purely selfish, convenient and callous. Also, they would have to admit that they killed a life form, specifically a human being. Only a very biased and narrow-minded argument would justify otherwise.

    How in the world is what I said in the previous post, antithetical to scripture?
     
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    You say that only a stone or sand cannot kill?? Well, if you read the Bible, it declares that we are all made of dirt. That which is in the womb is dirt, and after it is born, everything it eats, is made from dirt. And when we die, the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:7

    "Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Gen 2:7

    Adam did not become a living being until after he had been formed, following which God breathed into him the spirit of life.
     
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    Stan, come on, first of all, I said 'a stone, one cannot kill', meaning, a stone cannot be killed, but a living organism can be killed.
    You'd like to think that after conception, that the fertilization or primary embryonic stage does not constitute a human. Well, what else is it, for a human has to start somewhere. In other words, why kill or abort it if it is nothing, or not a human in the process of development?
    Clearly it poses a threat, so to speak, to the parent(s) that they feel a need to kill it, in other words, what's the threat, ...a human child, obviously.
     
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    And that's about the most Scripturally-ignorant thing you've said yet - and that's saying a LOT.

    First of all - ONLY Adam was made from dirt. Eve was made from his rib - when he was FLESH - not dirt. The rest of us are made from a sperm and an egg. Being "from the dust of the earth" is allegorical language.
    Apparently, YOU haven't learned the difference between LITERAL Scriptural language and ALLEGORICAL Scriptural language - and that's why you are confused and angry.

    ANY doctor will tell you that a fertilized egg is a human. because it's not ANY other species. It's a scientific fact.
    Abortionist doctors, however, will rationalize that it's not to justify what they're doing. As for what the Scriptures tell us - conception is when human life begins:

    Jer. 1:5
    BEFORE I formed you in your mother's womb, I knew you.

    If it said "AFTER I formed you ...", you might have a point - but NOT the way it's written.
     
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    The ONLY people I've ever met who were as rabidly pro-abortion as YOU are people who have either HAD abortions and are trying to justify them - or people who have been involved in procuring an abortion and are trying to justify it.

    Guilt can be VERY destructive . . .
     
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    Job confirms the Genesis account which you deny:

    “Behold, I belong to God like you;
    I too have been formed out of the clay."
    “The Spirit of God has made me,

    Yup! God was still making people from clay in Job's time, and he goes on to re-confirm saying that:

    "the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Job 33

    "Till I die I will not put away my integrity from me.
    For as long as life is in me,
    And the breath of God is in my nostrils" Job 27

    And of course, in Solomon's time God was still making people from dirt.

    God forms man from a pile of dust. It has no life on it's own, it is created merely as a body to contain and convey the spirit of man. Then when the fetus is fully formed, God gives man his spirit, when He breathes into man's the nostrils the breath of life, and he becomes a living being. And then when death comes:

    The body is really unimportant. Flesh and blood do not inherit the Kingdom of God, it is just a housing unit to temporarily carry our spirit while we are here on earth. "For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven" 2 Corinthians 5:1-2

    "Man's body returns to the dust from whence it came; And the spirit returns to God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7

    If he should set his heart to it and gather to himself his spirit and his breath, all flesh would perish together, and man would return to dust.
    Job 34: 14-15

    The difference between you and I, other than your lack of Scriptural knowledge, is that you don't even believe what you read. You follow a religion. I follow the inspired Word of God.
     
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    I have never said that I was pro-abortion. What I find disgusting, is people attempting to force their ideology of everyone else. This takes me back to the horrific days when the Roman Catholic Church murdered millions of Christians because they would not bow to the Satanic paganism of Rome; the same god now embraced by Islam: You either bow to Islam or get your head chopped off. Romanism and Islam serve the very same god: Satan.
     
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    Like I said before – YOU haven’t learned how to discern LITERAL biblical language from ALLEGORICAL Scriptural language. Your entire response is a textbook example of this.

    This is similar to verses that say God has wings (Deut. 32:11, Jer. 49:22) and feathers (Psalm 91:4).
    In YOUR ignorance – you would believe that He is a giant bird – instead of understanding that this language is symbolic.

    I hate to have to be the one to tell you this but you’re not made of clay – you’re made of flesh and blood. You are a product of what GOD did through the sperm of your father and egg of your mother.

    Good grief - didn’t you ever take Biology??

    Finally – the body is NOT unimportant. Paul says that our bodies are TEMPLES of the Holy Spirit and that they belong to GOD Himself (1 Cor. 6:19).
    This ONE verse means that Abortion is sinful because you are killing something that belongs to GodNOT you.
     
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    Another idiotic and unsubstantiated accusation.
    Your view of history is as perverted as your disregard for life.

    When YOU can show me ONE instance of the Catholic Church murdering just ONE person who refused to bow down to pagan gods – I’ll join you in your bitter anti-life campaign – how’s that?

    Like I said – the most bitter pro-abortionists usually had a hand in at least ONE abortion and are trying to rationalize their guilt . . .
     
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    I avoid arguing with brain washed psychopaths, especially the ones with false histories.
     
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    The pagan god was the pope. And failure to bow to the pope/satan resulted in millions upon millions of real Christians being murdered by the Roman Catholic Church in their war of genocide against real Christians in France under the Medici Papacy: Albigenses, Cathars, Huguenots, etc. This Satanic filth even burned Tyndale at the stake for daring to translate the Bible into English. They also tried to get Wycliffe for the same reason, but were unable to catch him until 30 years after he died, so they dug him up from the graveyard and burned his remains at the stake.

    Meanwhile, the Medici Popes were all had accommodation for their mistresses, whom they not only slept with their whores but also slept with their daughters who were born to those whores. That's why Martin Luther gave up on Rome. Having visited Rome in an attempt to restore order, he gave up and returned home after realizing that the Vatican was nothing more than a wall to wall whorehouse!

    Don't play games with me. I am quite aware of Satanic history of Romanism!
     
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    Thank you for that false narrative from Loraine Boettner.
    Now – where is the evidence for your idiotic claims??

    “Millions and millions” killed in France for not “bowing down” to the Pope??
    There would be NOBODY left of that many people were killed.

    You’re not “quite aware” of anything – especially the fact that you’ve been sold a bill of goods about the Catholic Church that you simply can’t prove with history. You’re a cliché – an angry little anti-Catholic with a great big chip on his shoulder and ZERO evidence for his claims.

    Funny how being defeated in an argument about abortion made you “zero in” on the Catholic Church.
    It's like a punch-drunk boxer throwing blind punches into the air . . .
     
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    A couple decades ago, when I knew nothing about Romanism, my son who was finishing his final 6 weeks of his undergrad, asked me to look into Romanism for him, because engaged in his finals, he didn't have the time to look into it for himself. He needed this information because he was planning to marry a Roman Catholic when he finished his degree.

    Wow!! at the end of six weeks, I delivered to him a 100 page summary of my initial findings, which terminated his plans to marry a non-Christian. Nothing in Christianity is compatible with Romanism. God rewarded him for his choice, delivering to him a very brilliant bride who would become a prominent doctor with a PhD, well-known author of many of the texts used in university classrooms today. They spent the next 15 years together in post-grad studies various universities obtaining awesome credentials.

    For me, I spent the next three years, pretty much 12 hours a day studying Romanism, but finally had to stop because the hideous atrocities of Romanism left me with nightmares each night which continued for two months after I terminated my studies. The Romanist atrocities extending in full force from the Spanish Inquisition until the last victim of the Roman Catholic Church was burned at the stake in 1832.

    Don't play games with me. I know more about Romanism than you will ever know. And to demand that I quote everything here I know about Romanism would take thousands of pages. If you want to know, then go and study for yourself like I did, If you really care about truth!
     
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    You may know plenty about “Romanism” – whatever that is - but you know NOTHING about the Catholic Church. This is blindingly clear by your moronic posts claiming that “millions and millions” of French people were “murdered” by the Church without showing ANY historical evidence for it.

    Like I said – you’re a cliché – an angry little man who believes charlatans like Alexander Hislop and Loraine Boettner’s heavily debunked works as the basis for your “history”. Whether you know it or notTHEY supplied your “facts”.

    Finally – I would LOVE to know what your hatred of Christ’s Church has to do with your complete disregard for life and support of abortion.
    So, what’s up with that??
     
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    Abortion as Pagan Sacrifice
    We know what the word “sacrifice” means. It means the surrender of something precious to the god in whom a person believes. Sacrifices have been part of world religions since the dawn of recorded history. Without exception, the deities of all the religions of the ancient world demanded sacrifices in their honor. The Egyptians and Babylonians, the Greeks and Romans, the deities of pre-Christian India and of the continent of Africa required that their adherents offer what we call sacrifices in their name.

    What is less well known, however, is that these religions also required the sacrifice of children as an oblation and even as a condition, for obtaining blessings from the gods. We read in the Office of Readings for today’s Divine Office that the Lord spoke through the prophet Jeremiah, charging the Jews of imitating the pagans in their practice of child homicide. Said the Lord,
    “They have built high places for Baal to immolate their sons in fire as holocausts to Baal: such a thing as I neither commanded nor spoke of, nor did it ever enter my mind.”

    As we read statements like foregoing, we ask ourselves: how could human beings be so deluded as to seriously believe that their gods required human sacrifice as a condition for receiving divine favors? The key word is “deluded.” Thirty years of teaching comparative religion has taught me that there is no limit to the irrational, indeed insane, practices that religious mythology will not put into practice as a mandate from the deities in whom they believed. Thus we read in the history of the Aztecs in South America before Columbus that they would kill up to ten thousand children on a major feastday in honor of one of their gods. Although seldom mentioned, infanticide as a religious ritual was practiced in India before its colonization by Great Britain.

    ..Abortion as the widespread practice that it has become today is incredibly a religious practice. It is inspired by the evil spirits who, in Christian terms, were and are the malignant deities of paganism. These deities, often goddesses, demanded the sacrifice of children to be propitiated. Unless children were killed and offered to these gods, they would avenge their anger against the people in the most devastating ways.

    As believing Catholics, we know that behind the murder of unborn children is the superhuman mind and malevolent will of Satan and his minions. To know this is to also know that only divine power is a match for the demonic power behind abortion. This divine power is the power of the God who became man in order, as He told us, to conquer the devil as master of the world.

    How did Christ provide for the conquest of Satan and his agents? He did so by dying on the cross. The one who died on Calvary was man, but this man was the living God. On these premises, Calvary is the divine sacrifice because it was God who assumed a human body and a human soul which could separate in a human death on Good Friday.
    Except for this divine sacrifice of Jesus Christ there would be no hope for the human race...
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