Are you sinless today?Then stop defending 'Christians' in whom God does NOT see to it that they turn from iniquity! People who are living in sin aren't saved. If they were they wouldn't be living in sin!
Can't you see how contradictory your argument is? On one hand you say the Christian turns away from his sin because God promises to make that happen. Then you turn right around and defend the person in whom that doesn't happen and insist they're a saved Christian too...even though God didn't keep his promise to turn them from iniquity! Make up your mind.
So, either 1) the person living in sin is not saved, because if he was he wouldn't be living in sin (which is actually what the bible teaches), or 2) the person living in sin is saved despite the fact that God is not keeping his promise to turn them from sin. Which one do you want to go with? Make you argument clear! Because it's a contradictory mess the way it is now.
Tares Reveal Themselves by what they DON’T Say...And They Are With us Here .How to Identify Them...
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Ferris Bueller
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I am in constant communication with God as I navigate through every situation the whole day through. I'm always checking in for guidance and strength to be what I'm supposed to be in every situation and thought through the day.
Stop fault finding, BB!
Ferris Bueller
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So far, I think so. And perhaps I will sin before the end of the day. What I am NOT doing is LIVING in sin. Are you?
I am a devout Christian following Christ, not a Spirt-less, 'I don't care' Christian who claims to be saved but who does not try, or even care to live in obedience to God. Are you?
Ferris Bueller
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Unrepentant unbelief.
That is the one sin that the blood of Christ does not cover. It can't. How do you have the effect of a sacrifice you do not believe in? You don't, of course. You have to believe in, and continue to believe in the blood of Christ to have the effect of the blood of Christ.
Ferris Bueller
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The faith that drives my obedience is what keeps me justified before God in heaven. My obedient works count for nothing toward earning a declaration of right standing with God. They are only the expression of the faith that motivates them.
Then you agree works play no part in either receiving or keeping salvation. Well done.
Ferris Bueller
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I am in agreement that works play no part in making you righteous in God's sight. Works are just the outward manifestation of faith. Works are the sign that you have the faith that justifies all by itself apart from the merit of works. That's why the person who is living in sin is not saved. It's not because he has no works to earn him salvation. It's because he shows by how he lives that there is no faith in him to motivate a life of ever increasing righteous living. He's unchanged. He's not born again. He's not a new creation. This is not my opinion. This is what the Bible says.
This is the truth that escapes @Blood Bought 1953. He can't for the life of him grasp this truth. He says that can only be a works gospel, because salvation is not by works. He's been defending Hypergrace theology that says even if you purposely live in sin you are saved as long as you say you believe in God, or used to believe in him in the past.
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Increasing righteous living does not provide ongoing justification before God. Running the race applies to Discipleship, which is not a requirement for Salvation.
Tares Reveal Themselves by what they DON’T Say...And They Are With us Here .How to Identify Them...
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No doubt we see many Threads on this forum, and many comments, opinions, disagreements, debates.
There is a fair amount of talk About Jesus Christ...
What is Not said, by many posters, IMO, is:
Ever revealing their Conversion of Confessed Belief IN Christ Jesus.
In that respect, I agree people reveal themselves by what they do not say.
Glory to God,
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OP ^
No doubt we see many Threads on this forum, and many comments, opinions, disagreements, debates.
There is a fair amount of talk About Jesus Christ...
What is Not said, by many posters, IMO, is:
Ever revealing their Conversion of Confessed Belief IN Christ Jesus.
In that respect, I agree people reveal themselves by what they do not say.
Glory to God,
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Ferris Bueller
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Right. Continuing in faith does.
Hebrews 7:25
"...seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them (us)."
As long as we have faith, he continues to intercede for us on our behalf before the Father. Some say the true believer can never stop believing. Good. That still doesn't change the fact that you have to continue to believe to the very end.
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Shifting the conversation from works to faith is a wise admission that works neither achieve nor keep Salvation.
Ferris Bueller
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I apologize for editing after posting, but I think of more stuff to add after I've posted and I proof read my post.
Ferris Bueller
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Justification is all about faith. Works are only the consequence of having faith. That's why works are a good metric of one's faith.
Ferris Bueller
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Do all my edits to that post make my position understandable? If not, I can elaborate further.
Yes, it is true you do not. The Word if God can be used to convey correct explanations, rather than uncertainty of human notions.
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