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it Was men , sons of God .I have. In great detail.
In like manner, they fornicated.
Can't we accept this? If not, why not?
Much love!
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it Was men , sons of God .I have. In great detail.
In like manner, they fornicated.
Can't we accept this? If not, why not?
Much love!
Read chapter six verse two and three. RIGHT after verse two , GOD says mans heart . mans heart .I have. In great detail.
In like manner, they fornicated.
Can't we accept this? If not, why not?
Man is evil, but that doesn't mean other beings don't rebel. Some of the angels rebelled against God.
Much love!
Read chapter six verse two and three. RIGHT after verse two , GOD says mans heart . mans heart .
It was men breeding and picking and choosing many wives and etc .
Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?To get to the answer of this question we need to go to the only true source the bible and see when and why did God judge the world before. The only time this happened was back in Genesis chapters 4, 5 and 6. There is much to learn about the end times in these three chapters more than most people think. The main part of the text is found in Genesis chapter 6:1-8
Genesis 6:1-8
when human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
Many people believe that the sons of God were fallen angels who fornicated and had children with female human beings thus making the world so evil that God decided to destroy civilization. Could this be? Could spiritual beings actually fornicate with human beings and have offspring even though Paul shows us in 1 Corinthians 15 that the heavenly bodies have a different splendor than human bodies? Would God really allow this to happen?
I believe that the sons of God were the faithful sons from the line of Seth and that the daughters of men were the unfaithful daughters from the unfaithful line of Cain.
In these three chapters of Genesis we see that the descendants of Seth were faithful to God while the descendants of Cain were unfaithful. What we read about the descendants of Cain is the great accomplishments they made which is not bad in its self but it is if it’s their highest priority. When we read about Seth's descendants we see that they were great men of God who had many children and lived long lives but this was not attributed to Cain’s descendants.
God warns the faithful people many times to not mix with the unfaithful in the Old Testament and the reason for this is to keep the faithful from being corrupted. We read that one of the reasons that the sons of God were attracted to the daughters of men was because of their beauty not because of love so the reason that they fornicated with them was for lust not love.
But there must be more to the reason that the sons of God were attracted to the daughters of men because there would also have been many beautiful women from the line of Seth.
Lamech gives us the reason for this in Genesis chapter 5
Genesis 5:28-29
28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah[c] and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the LORD has cursed.”
The faithful people of God began to lose faith and complain about the pain and burden of working a cursed soil. Lamech named his son Noah which means rest as he thought that Noah would bring his people comfort and rest.
What the daughters of men offered the sons of God was Autonomy
Autonomy
1. The right or condition of self-government.
A self-governing country or region.
• Freedom from external control or influence; independence.
Self-government · independence · self-rule · home rule · sovereignty ·
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Absolutely, the Sons of God were human men that married human womenRead chapter six verse two and three. RIGHT after verse two , GOD says mans heart . mans heart .
It was men breeding and picking and choosing many wives and etc .
Angels arent given in marriage, nor do they maintain human sperm for pro-creationGenesis 6:1-9 KJV
1) And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6) And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7) And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9) These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
It was the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" and why bother to make the distinction if they were all human? And the children of Adam were not called the sons of God. Look at Luke, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
I'm not so used to God not saying what He means as others seem to be. The faithful ones of God married the unfaithful ones of God and these ones, not the other humans,
just these, for some reason, not when the sons of man married the daughters of man,
but only when these people married those people, their children were nephilim, fallen ones (that is, fallen from high), the Titans.
Noah was "perfect in his generations". That's another one of those very interesting statements. Kind of sitting there by itself, appropos of what, who can say? But if we are talking about the contamination of mankind with this nephilim breed, then it has a very specific meaning in setting Noah apart from that contamination. That God was not going to bring the nephilim seed into the ark.
Yes, man is evil. Fallen angels are evil. The devil is evil. No question in my mind!
It's easier for me to believe that angels left their celestial bodies, against God's intent, to try to contaminate mankind, and prevent the Seed of the Woman from reaching fruition. Or just to be evil, I don't know. Than to believe that this portion of Genesis is only telling us that believers married unbelievers and had Titans for children. Fallen ones. The Were fallen ones, right? So that's a tautology. Except if we're talking about angels.
And that's what the common understanding was until a few hundred years after Jesus went back to heaven. That was the common understanding when Jesus was in Israel casting their unclean spirits out of people.
That's why the unclean spirit, when it leaves a man, goes through arid places, wanting to get back into a body. It has no place to "be". It's not angel, it doesn't go where angels go. It's not man, it doesn't go to sheol. It's "rapha", follow that word through the Old Testament and be prepared to be creeped out. Or not, it depends on you. But it's a Very Interesting study!
Much love!
100% agreement as to why God's judgment is coming.
Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?
This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?
(Behold, I Make All Things New)
2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
If you believe Jesus returns in fire and Final judgement dissolving this earth by fire, then we agreeSure I agree with you but what was your point of posting this were you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
If you believe Jesus returns in fire and Final judgement dissolving this earth by fire, then we agree
The Topic is why and when will our world end, and I posted how it will end
And I answered the when, and the why is seen below, in that they denied the truth, and had pleasure in their unrighteousness, simpleOkay thanks but the question was why and when?
That's not this word, oiketerion. That refers to the celestial body.Lucifer and his angels rebellion in heaven, and thus "left their first habitation". Jesus referred to this...KJV Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
That is an argument from silence. No evidence they can, no evidence they cannot. Except wait just a minute! There is evidence they can, because the Bible says this is what happened in pretty straightforward terms.There is no indication in scripture that angels have the necessary equipment to accomplish this. They may indeed look like us in appearance, but of they cannot and do not have sex e inner another, there is no evidence they can with another species altogether.
And why would their unions produce the Titans? That makes no sense to me.of the children of Seth, the sons of God, fornicating with the daughters of Cain.
One third of the stars left the firmament where God placed them, and went on strike. God then bound them in the pit until the 5th Trumpet sounds. This had to be prior to the Flood, but it could have been prior or at the same time as Adam's disobedience.Jude 1:6-7 KJV
6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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You're venturing into the extremely dangerous world of Gnosticism with this argument. Angels were created as spirit beings, therefore there was no physical body for them to leave. The entirety of Gen. 6 is clearly about what men were doing to offend God because Christ stated in Matt 24:38 that the people in the Pre-Flood world were the ones doing the marrying.It's easier for me to believe that angels left their celestial bodies, against God's intent, to try to contaminate mankind, and prevent the Seed of the Woman from reaching fruition.
Christ stated in Matt. 22 that angels cannot have sexual intercourse and were never created with the means to do so, so it is intellectually dishonest to argue that the Bible isn't clear on the matter.That is an argument from silence. No evidence they can, no evidence they cannot. Except wait just a minute! There is evidence they can, because the Bible says this is what happened in pretty straightforward terms.