I'm having more fun with Jude. The fact is, it's very specific, and you don't seem to want to dig into it.
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When and why will God end our world?
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Zao is life
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OK here's a scripture which calls your argument out and names it for what it is (eisegesis):
Matthew 22
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in Heaven.
Only Adam @marks (humans) were told to be fruitful and multiply. So only we men (and women) were created with the necessary ... how shall we put it now... equipment.
Give me a scripture where angels are told to be fruitful and multiply, or at least a scripture where we are told they were created with the necessary equipment for that sort of thing, and I'll admit my error and apologize.
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Zao is life
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Jude 1:6-7 KJV
6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Left their own habitation.
Left their own oiketerion, I think it's spelled. A word used only one other time in the NT.
2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJV
1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2) For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
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They left there celestial house, their oiketerion. They were disobedient.
Angels ate food with Abraham. They appeared as men. How much detail? I don't know.
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There was no capitalization of "sons" anywhere. So the translators should not be faulted. In the OT "sons of God" are angels. In contrast, in the NT "sons of God" are those who have been regenerated. Yes, it was evil angels who co-habited with human women and their offspring were giants and men of renown before the Flood. All the mythologies of the ancient world have accounts which reflect this. And both Peter and Jude refer to these evil angels and their punishment.
Zao is life
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Are as the angels of God in heaven . . . in what way?
Luke 20:34-37 KJV
34) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35) But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36) Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
37) Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
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Zao is life
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Hebrews 1
13 But to which of the angels, did He say at any time, "Sit on My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool?"
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for those who shall be heirs of salvation?
Adam and Eve and all their descendants are flesh.
Without the Bible telling you that angels are able to procreate so as to beget flesh, you are ascribing an ability that is God's and only God's to created spirit-beings.
John 3
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again.
8 The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice.
The only time we ever read in the Bible of spirit begetting flesh, is when Mary conceived.
Are you saying that angels - created spirit-beings - are able to do procreate with flesh?
@marks When Mary conceived, there was no carnality involved between spirit and flesh - and only God is able to do such a miracle.
If what you say is true, it means the first one to be born of such a procreation of angels job, was begotten of creation and of spirit - because angels are spirit-beings, and are creature.
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amigo de christo
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Just in case folks are confused , angels did not breed the women . GOD even says , MAN IS EVIL .
Let no man or woman be taken unto fables . The angels did not breed with women .
Genesis 18:1-22 KJV
1) And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2) And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3) And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4) Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
5) And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
6) And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
7) And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
8) And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
20) And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21) I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
22) And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
Genesis 19:1 KJV
1) And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Two angels arrive at Sodom, having shared a meal with Abraham.
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Zao is life
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Jude 1:6-7 KJV
6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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22) And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
Genesis 19:1 KJV
1) And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Three men came to Abraham. One was YHWH. The other two left YHWH and Abraham speaking to go to Sodom.
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Zao is life
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You're reading fallen angels impregnating human women into the text of verse 6. It does not say what their deeds were when they left their own habitation. It says nothing more until the saints start guessing what their deeds were when they left their own habitation.
Zao is life
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You're reading fallen angels impregnating human women into the text of verse 6. It does not say what their deeds were when they left their own habitation. It says nothing more until the saints start guessing what their deeds were when they left their own habitation.
The next example of Sodom you are joining to the first example and guessing that the same thing is what the men of Sodom wanted to do with men who @marks (according to you) they knew were angels, though the text states that they said, "where are the men which came in to you this night? Bring them out to us, that we may know them."
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amigo de christo
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Mark read the whole thing in context . If angels were breeding the women , THEN WHY DID GOD SAY MAN , MAN IS EVIL .
IT was men .
I have. In great detail.
In like manner, they fornicated.
Can't we accept this? If not, why not?
Man is evil, but that doesn't mean other beings don't rebel. Some of the angels rebelled against God.
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