Why don’t you believe Satan has been defeated?

[MatthewG]

Interesting topic, seems alot of scholars put revelation written around 100 CE,

The Bible mentions Satan being released after 1000 years after being chained etc.

Did that happen in 1100 CE or did John meant a longer time out on the release.

Hello BeyondET,

There on the first post, one can go through a study of Revelation 13, or 20, from the fulfillment perspective.

The 1000 years were not literal but simply meant the fullness of time - and that fullness of time from the fulfillment perspective was with a period of 40 years, many may disagree with this.

It depends on what you believe Jesus means about that generation would not pass away until all things had came to pass.

You may disagree though, thank you for asking, and may God guide, and grace and peace be with you in Christ Jesus.

#124 <- click this for some consideration on Revelation 13 - (Now Completed)
#215 <- click this for some consideration on Revelation 20 - (Now Completed)

 

[Jay Ross]

The quotes below have been taken from what Matthew has posted as his beliefs: -

None of those things were written to us, it is good to be prepared for death though that is when you’ll have your own individual coming, but contextually back then He was coming for the bride of Christ the 144,000 of the twelve tribes who were virgins none the less… they suffered so much under the persecution of their time Jesus did come back to get them and to bring forth Judgment on Jerusalem for having killed him.

Matthew 25 provides information as to what is going to happen during the Millennium/Seventh Age. Exodus 20:4-6 tells us why the nation of Israel was scattered to the four corners of the earth. It had nothing to do with them having killed Jesus. During Jesus' time of the first advent, idolatrous worship was still rife among the people of the nation of Israel/Judah.

What is messed up? Truth? Not many people like it. It rattles them and it shakes them. You can believe what you desire I’m just telling you what I see is the truth of the matter.

To take things out of context for me is messed up, just as much.

This is Matthew's method of operation, to take things out of Biblical context.

All of the scriptures need to stay in context to the audience it is written to. This is how confusion starts is when people use scripture as though it was written to them directly. It’s not a good way to address scripture in my opinion.

This quote highlights Matthew's belief that people should not use the scriptures as a yard stick for their lives, as he believes that the context of much of the scriptures only applies to the people it was written to. it seems that he does not believe that the End Times Prophecies were written for our consumption as well.

So why don’t you believe Satan has been defeated? Or don’t believe the contents are true or that the things that were gonna happen then did happen shortly?

Matthew wants us to accet his beliefs without questioning them.

the only thing left to do is to believe and seek after God and become a child of his and love God and love others while here on earth… to share what Jesus has done for all people and that we can have peace with God and no more afterlife worries or sorrows because we know one day we will go and be with the King. The earth will remain here forever and there will never be an end to people entering the kingdom if they so desire.

In this quote he is stating that the earth will continue forever and that during this forever period of time until the end of eternity, perhaps, people will be able to enter the kingdom if they so desire at any time that they may wish.

The above are a compilation of some of MatthewG's statements.

What Matthew G posts is his understanding of truth from his perspective and never from a perspective of what is found in scripture.

Look at his unbelief in the bolded portion of the last quote above.

Matthew there is so much theologically wrong with what you post and it is because of these errors that people rebut your claims.

Goodbye.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you Jay Ross.

Everything is down between the individual and God.

No man can interfere with a relationship a person has with God, praise be to God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Take care sir.

---- I have no reason to judge anyone. God will judge, he sees the heart.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

 

[Jay Ross]

No man can interfere with a relationship a person has with God, praise be to God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

But the posts that contain your truth, and not God's Truth, does interfere with the relationship that a persons might have or does have with God.

Perhaps you should take note about what you are doing to other people with your personal hog wash of your truth's understanding.

It is not pretty.

As an aside, this post is not a judgement of you personally in any way although that is what you are trying to make it out to be. Sorry.

 

[MatthewG]

From what the Bible says Jay Ross,

People are shakable, when they are introduced to new ideas, and outlooks on the Bible that can literally shake them.

A lot of that shaking has to do with traditions that they have heard through out their lives, and have learned from other people if they have not taken the time to look and see what the Bible states.

A book that is recommended : which people can take with a grain of salt but may change their perspective if they allow it to but it is for the betterment of learning what the Word of God does say, without having to do the study themselves.

https://www.amazon.com/Christianitys-Great-Dilemma-Jesus-Coming/dp/1453873740

Saying that is my truth is not true at all, it is what Jesus states, and what the apostles state that makes the difference.

If people have a problem what what is presented here, they should just reject it and walk away, because if I am presented with a question it is up to me to decide how to answer another individual even in real life.

If someone asks me do you really believe Jesus came back, I would tell them yes. To go against what I believe is not being authentic and honest with myself or others.

 

[MatthewG]

The only thing that is not shakeable is spiritual things, that is what we look towards.

Obtaining spiritual things from God - such as the Holy Spirit, and the spirit of Christ.

Believing in faith that we are accepted as we are by the grace of God in and through the Lord Jesus Christ by believing in Him, in which one finds peace with God.

The Victory of Christ in totality is seen as overcoming and having victory over Sin, Death (all death), Satan and his angels, Hell/Sheol/Hades/Grave, a person who comes to faith are made new, a new creation and they now have complete access to God and can pray and tell God about anything and everything going in their life from the problems that come up so that they have find spiritual relief in a world where our flesh worries and doesn't find rest at all.

To pray on behalf of all people, to have love towards God and to have love towards others no matter who they are, or where they are at in their own life.

And if asked how to define love - 1 Corinthians 13 is the basis for this love.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Why don’t you believe Satan has been defeated?

Chuckle!!! Satan HAS BEEN DEFEATED, of course. But he hasn't been JUDGED yet - for the simple reason that all his people will be judged with him, and share his fate that's been prepared for him, his angels, and his unsaved followers.

Your foolishness is becoming tiresome, so you're on ignore from here on out.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

It doesn't matter if you are under the law or not - if you rob a bank, you go to prison.

Everyone is under the law UNTIL they have the Holy Spirit. And only Christians have the Holy Spirit. Is that really so hard to understand? It seems to be going over your head for some reason. Why? Have you never been taught about receiving the Holy Spirit, or just about the law?

 

[Bob Estey]

Everyone is under the law UNTIL they have the Holy Spirit. And only Christians have the Holy Spirit. Is that really so hard to understand? It seems to be going over your head for some reason. Why? Have you never been taught about receiving the Holy Spirit, or just about the law?

But if you rob a bank, you still go to prison.

I try to walk with the Lord and learn whatever he decides to teach me.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

There are some aspects of the Bible i believe were just for the apostles in that day in age, 1CL, I will say I agree we do have now as believers new spiritual life by the Holy Spirit, which Adam died spiritually when partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Not so sure what you may mean when you say raise the dead? Could you apply that in a spiritual sense?

It’s not like we go to the grave yard and dig up a dead body and make them alive again.

There is only one event I remember Paul, raising that guy who fell out the window back from the dead. Acts 20.

It is in an actual physical sense just like Jesus did. I've never done it, but I know people who have raised the dead. I've only commanded someone to be healed, and they were. And I've been healed. But for some reason I can't heal myself, nor have I read where anyone else has healed themselves.

Matthew, you have a cessationist way of looking at the New Covenant which is skewed. Just as not a jot or a tittle ended in the Old Covenant until the covenant was fulfilled with the Resurrection of Christ, and His New Covenant starting on the Day of Pentecost (the anniversary of the beginning of the first covenant, the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai), so nothing in the New Covenant ends until we see Christ face to face at the second coming. You are not living the Church life. You are waiting to die.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

But if you rob a bank, you still go to prison.

I try to walk with the Lord and learn whatever he decides to teach me.

You still don't get it. CHRISTIANS DON'T ROB BANKS. I am born again. Those who are born again with no old desires to sin cannot sin. 1 John 3:9 We are slaves of righteousness and are no longer under the engraved in stone laws you had to memorize to know. The laws we keep go deeper than the surface laws of the Ten Commandments.

 

[face2face]

Chuckle!!! Satan HAS BEEN DEFEATED, of course. But he hasn't been JUDGED yet - for the simple reason that all his people will be judged with him, and share his fate that's been prepared for him, his angels, and his unsaved followers.

Your foolishness is becoming tiresome, so you're on ignore from here on out.

Who do you think satan is?

 

[Bob Estey]

You still don't get it. CHRISTIANS DON'T ROB BANKS. I am born again. Those who are born again with no old desires to sin cannot sin. 1 John 3:9 We are slaves of righteousness and are no longer under the engraved in stone laws you had to memorize to know. The laws we keep go deeper than the surface laws of the Ten Commandments.

Christians never sin?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Who do you think satan is?

John 8:44, and possibly Isa 14:122-17.

 

[face2face]

John 8:44, and possibly Isa 14:122-17.

So do you believe Jesus is referencing some supernatural agent of evil in John 8:44? Have you considered other more Scriptural possibilities?

 

[Aunty Jane]

So do you believe Jesus is referencing some supernatural agent of evil in John 8:44? Have you considered other more Scriptural possibilities?

Who do you believe satan is? Who was it that tempted Jesus? (and originally Eve?)
Jesus was sinless and so was the woman, so I cannot see a way that either of them were tempted by a quality of evil within......what other more scriptural possibilities do you believe there are?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So do you believe Jesus is referencing some supernatural agent of evil in John 8:44? Have you considered other more Scriptural possibilities?

Chuckle!!! So what do YOU think are "More Scriptural Possibilities"???

 

[Lambano]

A lot of good questions, Lambano.

1. death as been overcome by Jesus - when you die you are going to be given a certain judgment by God and given a spiritual body once you leave this world.

2. All people have been reconciled to God through Christ, they have been saved from hell, death, Satan and his demons, and their debt of sin was paid for by Jesus - it’s just a choice people have to individually make, Will I seek out the things of God or only seek out what the world offers. (There are the faithful and the faithless, and I believe faithless people have a place outside of the kingdom.

3. The wiping away of every tear is coming by spiritual comfort founded only in looking to God and looking to the eternal aspects of life and not just the material. We all suffer physically pain, illness, sicknes, sadness all comfort founded in the spirit.

4. I personally believe live in the Age of fulfilment where everything has been taken care of by the victory of Christ. The age of the first generation of believers that were the bride is over, now it’s just up to the individual Will they seek out the things of God while they live in this life or not, it is totally dependent on them as an individual.

The Kingdom of the Heavenly Jerusalem will increase forever it will never stop.

Matthew, when will Creation be liberated from its bondage to decay and corruption (Romans 8:19-22)?

Where will the Resurrection of the dead and the new spiritual body take place?

 

[Lambano]

Everyone is under the law UNTIL they have the Holy Spirit.

Just a gentle reminder that when Paul says, "the Law", he means Torah. Torah (ask any Rabbi) is the covenant obligations of God's people from Moses onward. Paul in his writings is addressing the contemporary issue of his day, whether Gentile followers of Christ need to keep Torah, especially with regards to circumcision, keeping Kosher, and observing Sabbath. If you read Paul with this principle in mind, passages such as Romans 2 will make more sense.

So, unless one came to Christ from a Jewish background, one was never under "the Law".

 

[Lambano]

A book that is recommended : which people can take with a grain of salt but may change their perspective if they allow it to but it is for the betterment of learning what the Word of God does say, without having to do the study themselves.

Thank you. The Hill book does give me a better understanding of where you're coming from.