Why don’t you believe Satan has been defeated?

[BeyondET]

The Bible states the defeat of Satan…

Or the doing away of Satan, the beast and false prophet.

So there is no real argument other than “it has not happened”.

Revelation 20:10.

There are view main views of revelation.

Idealist, Historicist, pretrist, and futurist.

There is a book, on the main first post people can consider, and on the return of Christ there’s also a book by Glenn Hill. (Christianity greatest Dilemma - which sights all the scripture pertains to Christ and his coming.

There is also historical accounts Josephus, Suetonius, Cassio Dio, and Tacitus.

There is also historical church “father” accounts to pertaining to quotes about how Jerusalems fall was pretty much when Jesus has returned. “Though we have no quoting from anyone that they seen him come back - only believers looking in that day in Age would have seen him come back, within that region”

It is just believed by Faith Jesus came and saved his bride like he said he would in a generation of time, as Jesus stated, and his apostles.

People are going to believe what they desire or want to be, and I have no judgment to call on anyone.

Love God and love others.

Yea not everyone is going to believe anything anyone post that is how it is.

Some believe 1 Peter 5:8 the adversary the devil is on the prowl.

You believe the is not the case.
Guess either way it's not good to do bad.

 

[MatthewG]

The Bible states the defeat of Satan…

Or the doing away of Satan, the beast and false prophet.

So there is no real argument other than “it has not happened”.

Revelation 20:10.

There are view main views of revelation.

Idealist, Historicist, pretrist, and futurist.

There is a book, on the main first post people can consider, and on the return of Christ there’s also a book by Glenn Hill. (Christianity greatest Dilemma - which sights all the scripture pertains to Christ and his coming.

There is also historical accounts Josephus, Suetonius, Cassio Dio, and Tacitus.

There is also historical church “father” accounts to pertaining to quotes about how Jerusalems fall was pretty much when Jesus has returned. “Though we have no quoting from anyone that they seen him come back - only believers looking in that day in Age would have seen him come back, within that region”

It is just believed by Faith Jesus came and saved his bride like he said he would in a generation of time, as Jesus stated, and his apostles.

People are going to believe what they desire or want to be, and I have no judgment to call on anyone.

Love God and love others.

In the short run:

I believe by faith Jesus returned to get his bride as in prophecies Jesus has made, and his Apostles pointing out through out the contents of the Bible of his return in that day in age and that age has his bride in it.

Today the kingdom has been established and it will never stop increasing.

If you don’t believe what Jesus said or his apostles said about these matters, that is fine, though I do, and it is the reason it’s so hard to even Change my mind on the notion of He didn’t return.

A Bible recommendation for anyone out there who would like a good study bible: Thompson Chain Reference and they have it KJV.

And the commandments are to love God and to love others.

Take care and enjoy that you too are apart of the spiritual kingdom as a child of God or a son or daughter of God while we toil and labor in this physical world: while simultaneously suffering for and with Christ.

 

[face2face]

The Bible states the defeat of Satan…

Or the doing away of Satan, the beast and false prophet.

So there is no real argument other than “it has not happened”.

Revelation 20:10.

To be frank Matt, you haven't a clue what your writing about in this thread! Absolutely no idea!! - I cant communicate it any clearer!

Firstly, Revelation 20:10 speaks of a devil NOT a satan and I'm guessing from your posts you have no idea on the difference between the two. If you cant even quote a scripture correctly where is your credibility? I'm also guessing you have no idea as to the symbology of the devil, beast and false prophet either?

The only argument I see from your posts is whether its worth while engaging with a fool in his way??? because I sense you wont be taught and are far from teachable.

We will see.

 

[MatthewG]

It’s just what has been taught to me over the years.

It’s hard to get me to change as it is, always been a difficult person to change. The greatest change the Lord has given me was from God to have a new heart and a new mind.

Greek words are defined, most people read earth and think the whole world. That is a problem.

Here is from Bible hub: Revelation 20:10


Greek

And
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

the
ὁ (ho)
Article - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

devil
διάβολος (diabolos)
Adjective - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 1228: From diaballo; a traducer; specially, Satan.

who
ὁ (ho)
Article - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

had deceived
πλανῶν (planōn)
Verb - Present Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4105: To lead astray, deceive, cause to wander. From plane; to roam.

them
αὐτοὺς (autous)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Accusative Masculine 3rd Person Plural
Strong's 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.

was thrown
ἐβλήθη (eblēthē)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 906: (a) I cast, throw, rush, (b) often, in the weaker sense: I place, put, drop. A primary verb; to throw.

into
εἰς (eis)
Preposition
Strong's 1519: A primary preposition; to or into, of place, time, or purpose; also in adverbial phrases.

the
τὴν (tēn)
Article - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

lake
λίμνην (limnēn)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's 3041: A lake. Probably from limen; a pond.

of fire
πυρὸς (pyros)
Noun - Genitive Neuter Singular
Strong's 4442: Fire; the heat of the sun, lightning; fig: strife, trials; the eternal fire. A primary word; 'fire'.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

sulfur,
θείου (theiou)
Noun - Genitive Neuter Singular
Strong's 2303: Brimstone, sulfur. Probably neuter of theios; sulphur.

into which
ὅπου (hopou)
Adverb
Strong's 3699: Where, whither, in what place. From hos and pou; what(-ever) where, i.e. At whichever spot.

the
τὸ (to)
Article - Nominative Neuter Singular
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

beast
θηρίον (thērion)
Noun - Nominative Neuter Singular
Strong's 2342: Properly: a wild beast, hence: any animal; met: a brute. Diminutive from the same as thera; a dangerous animal.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

the
ὁ (ho)
Article - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

false prophet
ψευδοπροφήτης (pseudoprophētēs)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 5578: From pseudes and prophetes; a spurious prophet, i.e. Pretended foreteller or religious impostor.

[had already been thrown].
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

[There]
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

they will be tormented
βασανισθήσονται (basanisthēsontai)
Verb - Future Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Plural
Strong's 928: To examine, as by torture; I torment; I buffet, as of waves. From basanos; to torture.

day
ἡμέρας (hēmeras)
Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular
Strong's 2250: A day, the period from sunrise to sunset.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

night
νυκτὸς (nyktos)
Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular
Strong's 3571: The night, night-time. A primary word; 'night'.

forever
εἰς (eis)
Preposition
Strong's 1519: A primary preposition; to or into, of place, time, or purpose; also in adverbial phrases.

[and]
τῶν (tōn)
Article - Genitive Masculine Plural
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

ever.
αἰώνων (aiōnōn)
Noun - Genitive Masculine Plural
Strong's 165: From the same as aei; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity; by implication, the world; specially a Messianic period.

So for me I do believe Satan has been taken care of @face2face.

 

[face2face]

It’s just what has been taught to me over the years.

It’s hard to get me to change as it is, always been a difficult person to change. The greatest change the Lord has given me was from God to have a new heart and a new mind.

devil
διάβολος (diabolos)
Adjective - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 1228: From diaballo; a traducer @face2face.

Whats a traducer?

 

[MatthewG]

Look it up do some research.

God bless.

 

[face2face]

Look it up do some research.

God bless.

This proves my point MattG - you are not teachable.

For everyone else's benefit a traducer as MattG confirmed with his post is a person (human) who slanders or falsely accusers another person's character.

Judas was a devil (false accuser) in John 6:70

You will notice in 1 Timothy 3:11 the translators had to interpret the word correctly as slanderers lol (Women be not devils )

2 Timothy 3:3 speaks to men not being devils slanderers

The question for those who are teachable and don't misquote the Bible; who does the false accuser in Revelation 20:10 represent?

The greatest change the Lord has given me was from God to have a new heart and a new mind.

If this was true, you would have wanted to enter the Word and learn from it...but as predicted, you are pleased with your own wisdom as it seems God's is just full of hard saying's, to much for you to bare.

F2F

 

[MatthewG]

To all people on this board.

Be encouraged to do your own research and study of the Bible.

Reject tradition.
Reject religion.
Reject man-made doctrines.
Reject so called “Religious authority”.

You’ll have more freedom and less worry about what people may have to say about you.

Everyone is at their own level of understanding, some seek deeper things by the spirit, some are comfortable where they are.

You as an individual have the ability to think, and choose for yourself.

God bless to all and May the peace of God and grace be with you.

 

[face2face]

I don’t have anything to say nor judge what others say or think about me.

Many people seems to say things just to see what I will say…

I personally have no care in what people think about me… if I did care I would submit to everything they have to say.

You know what I mean?

What I have said is true.

1. You misquoted Scripture and misinterpreted it
2. You didn't want to learn what the word devil actually means, or the context in which it is used
3. You avoided the previous post

These are facts which I have called you out on and now it's with you to restore credibility, or move on in ignorance. Most will go with the later.

The choice is always ours as it was for the Lord while teaching the false accusers in his ministry.

Revelation 2:10 you know who this devil was don't you? They killed Jesus and cast many of his disciples into prison!!!

 

[MatthewG]

The devil, is known as Satan…

To argue and make out to be something that is not is not intellectually fair to the text.

You may say whatever you like sir, it won’t change my mind.

 

[face2face]

The devil, is known as Satan…

To argue and make out to be something that is not is not intellectually fair to the text.

You may say whatever you like sir, it won’t change my mind.

Okay, so we established you didn't understand devil to be a false accuser or slanderer - used in relation to a person.

What does satan mean?

 

[MatthewG]

This is why it is important to study to show yourself approved,

Approved not of people but to God himself.

So my brother my only encouragement is to study for yourself.

A great resource Bible is the Thompson Chain Bible; it even as references to the defeat of Satan.

KJV Thompson Chain-Reference Large-Print Bible--bonded leather, black

 

[Lambano]

Today the kingdom has been established and it will never stop increasing.

I invite you to stop and look around. And read more of Church history. Do you see the battles going on, in the world, in the church, and in yourself? (To your credit, you've been transparent about your own sins.) These are not just mop-up operations. We seem to be going through a period of contraction in these latter days. The history of Jesus's church is not one of ever-increasing glory and triumph.

 

[face2face]

This is why it is important to study to show yourself approved,

Approved not of people but to God himself.

So my brother my only encouragement is to study for yourself.

A great resource Bible is the Thompson Chain Bible; it even as references to the defeat of Satan.

KJV Thompson Chain-Reference Large-Print Bible--bonded leather, black

You have set yourself up in this thread as the one who knows all about satan and how he has been defeated

What does satan mean?

 

[face2face]

@MatthewG

Here I will make it easy for you.

In Matthew 16:23 Jesus calls Peter satan.

In the context what was Peter being to Jesus?

 

[MatthewG]

Having his mind on the things of this world, he was being an adversary to Jesus. That is the context of all of it.

 

[MatthewG]

He was basically saying stay Jesus you don’t have to die, why are you saying all of these things you can stay here with us.

 

[MatthewG]

I invite you to stop and look around. And read more of Church history. Do you see the battles going on, in the world, in the church, and in yourself? (To your credit, you've been transparent about your own sins.) These are not just mop-up operations. We seem to be going through a period of contraction in these latter days. The history of Jesus's church is not one of ever-increasing glory and triumph.

You got a point about church history the thing is I don’t look at church history, it is good to see what the early church “fathers” had to say but that is about it. You can use church history in teachings to address traditions though.

To me the world still had darkness that resides within people that people fight, not everyone is a follower of Jesus. If many people followed Jesus and his teachings throughly it would bring them to have love for God and love for others…

That even means the messed up sh** people do, even though those things are what people consider bad and evil because they are.

Jesus was always adamant about what lies in the heart and it is good to listen to Him.

Jesus came to save the world, not to condemn it because those who don’t believe are already condemned by their own merit.

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

It s a great thing to realize this truth and be set free in truth, Lambano.

I believe totally in the victory of Jesus… not just a victory but yet he is losing still to Satan.

He came and wiped the former age that was and established the kingdom now today and individuals are entering into the Kingdom by merit of faith, and love.

 

[MatthewG]

2 Corinthians 5:19

that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

Nothing more truer than this.

It still good to share Jesus with others when lead by the spirit.

 

[face2face]

He was basically saying stay Jesus you don’t have to die, why are you saying all of these things you can stay here with us.

Ah precisely!!! so in the context of that verse how does Jesus use the word satan?

Matthew 16:23 But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, adversary! You are a stumbling block to me, because you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but on man’s.”

So Jesus is using the greek word to describe what Peter was doing to Jesus in being a stumbling block to him.

satan = adversary
satan = stumbling block
satan = setting you mind on the flesh

satan does not mean a supernatural fiery creature ruling a place of darkness for that is unBiblical notion manufactured in the minds of crafty men.