Scripture Study of The Immortal Soul (Spirit of Man/Woman)

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MatthewG

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Consider they had life completely with God.

God would come by in the wind and talk to Adam, and Eve and they could commune with him freely all they wanted.

Then they disobeyed, and they were cut off from having that connection like it once was, they were in the Garden of Eden with God - then they were no longer, thus they did die that day.

God did not lie to them: Genesis 2:17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.”

That day they ate, they did die, spiritually - and afterward God says his final words and dismisses them off from being in that Garden anymore.

Adam died 900 years laters, physically but that very day he died spiritually.
 

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Why do people not believe in the immortal soul? The soul (spirit of Man/Woman) is composed of (mind/will/emotion) of an individual that is housed inside of a body - that is formed in the womb of the woman, that is created by God (of course some factors of what a person does to their body while pregnant does cause some problems during creation of the baby inside of the womb.)

  • Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.


  • Matthew 10:28 And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.


  • Luke 12:20 `And God said to him, Unthinking one! this night thy soul they shall require from thee, and what things thou didst prepare -- to whom shall they be?

  • 1 Corinthians 15:54 and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to victory;

  • Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
Accordingly to scripture - souls live on in the afterlife ; before Jesus Christ and his return souls (or the spirit of man/woman) would reside in Sheol (the covering place of the dead - those who had died and passed away on earth.)

These scriptures make it clear that the soul (spirit of man) continues on after this life that soul is a part of you as a person now today. There are two destinations in my best estimation today, for people to go to that is the Heavenly Realm - being outside of the Kingdom having died not being a child of or a Son or Daughter of God. The second or first however you decide to apply this is in the new Heavenly Jerusalem where God resides inside of the the new spiritual city, according to Revelation 22.

  • Revelation 22:14-15
  • 14 `Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;
  • 15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.
The soul becomes immortal when we are born again. Christs gives us eternal life. Non-believers are not given eternal life. They will be destroyed in tue Lake of Fire. Destroy means to put an end to. You cannot destroy something for eternity. That would be an indestructible destruction, a contradiction.

“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matt. 10:28
So souls do survive physical death. Some go to the Lord, many go to Hades to await their final destruction in the Lake of Fire (Hell).
I do believe this is a quick death, the second death. As paper burns in seconds, so a person thrown into lava lake would only last seconds. In the end, God is merciful to all. No need for eternal torture, nor would that be just. Judgement came in their lives where they already suffered emptiness, void of the joy of the Lord and His blessings. Let's not take Hades lightly either. The conscious sufferring there is unimaginable _ and for some - thousands of years. They can only hope for God to put an end to it.
 

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Consider they had life completely with God.

God would come by in the wind and talk to Adam, and Eve and they could commune with him freely all they wanted.

Then they disobeyed, and they were cut off from having that connection like it once was, they were in the Garden of Eden with God - then they were no longer, thus they did die that day.

God did not lie to them: Genesis 2:17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.”

That day they ate, they did die, spiritually - and afterward God says his final words and dismisses them off from being in that Garden anymore.

Adam died 900 years laters, physically but that very day he died spiritually.
thats called eisegesis. the fact is after adam sinned God still communed/communicated with adam and sought him out and sin did not prevent them talking to each other. so he did not die "spiritually" since they were still taking and communicating with one another.

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Then how did they die, that very day to you Christophany?

God said they would die in that day they had eaten, sir.

They did not die physically that very same day, so how do you believe they had died? Sir if you would like to share with me your view.
 

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The soul becomes immortal when we are born again. Christs gives us eternal life. Non-believers are not given eternal life. They will be destroyed in tue Lake of Fire. Destroy means to put an end to. You cannot destroy something for eternity. That would be an indestructible destruction, a contradiction.

“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matt. 10:28
So souls do survive physical death. Some go to the Lord, many go to Hades to await their final destruction in the Lake of Fire (Hell).
I do believe this is a quick death, the second death. As paper burns in seconds, so a person thrown into lava lake would only last seconds. In the end, God is merciful to all. No need for eternal torture, nor would that be just. Judgement came in their lives where they already suffered emptiness, void of the joy of the Lord and His blessings. Let's not take Hades lightly either. The conscious sufferring there is unimaginable _ and for some - thousands of years. They can only hope for God to put an end to it.

Thank you for taking time to write out and share your view Ronald David Bruno, sir.
 

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Then how did they die, that vey day Christophany?

God said they would die in that day they had eaten, sir.

They did not die physically that very same day, so how do you believe they had died? Sir if you would like to share with me your view.
do you think the word day means a 24 hour period every time its used ?

do you know it can mean a period of time such as the Day of the Lord ?

hope this helps !!!
 

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But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 2 Peter 3:8

When it comes to Genesis in the creation a day was not 24 hours, sir.
 

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But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 2 Peter 3:8

When it comes to Genesis in the creation a day was not 24 hours, sir.
Just the opposite the creation days are literal 24 hour periods of time . A day and an evening in each creation day followed by a number for each day of creation
 
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Okay, sir.
Question: "Does Genesis chapter 1 mean literal 24-hour days?"

Answer:
A careful examination of the Hebrew word for “day” and the context in which it appears in Genesis will lead to the conclusion that “day” means a literal, 24-hour period of time. The Hebrew word yom translated into the English “day” can mean more than one thing. It can refer to the 24-hour period of time that it takes for the earth to rotate on its axis (e.g., “there are 24 hours in a day”). It can refer to the period of daylight between dawn and dusk (e.g., “it gets pretty hot during the day but it cools down a bit at night”). And it can refer to an unspecified period of time (e.g., “back in my grandfather's day...”). It is used to refer to a 24-hour period in Genesis 7:11. It is used to refer to the period of daylight between dawn and dusk in Genesis 1:16. And it is used to refer to an unspecified period of time in Genesis 2:4. So, what does it mean in Genesis 1:5-2:2 when it's used in conjunction with ordinal numbers (i.e., the first day, the second day, the third day, the fourth day, the fifth day, the sixth day, and the seventh day)? Are these 24-hour periods or something else? Could yom as it is used here mean an unspecified period of time?

We can determine how yom should be interpreted in Genesis 1:5-2:2 simply by examining the context in which we find the word and then comparing its context with how we see its usage elsewhere in Scripture. By doing this we let Scripture interpret itself. The Hebrew word yom is used 2301 times in the Old Testament. Outside of Genesis 1, yom plus a number (used 410 times) always indicates an ordinary day, i.e., a 24-hour period. The words “evening” and “morning” together (38 times) always indicate an ordinary day. Yom + “evening” or “morning” (23 times) always indicates an ordinary day. Yom + “night” (52 times) always indicates an ordinary day.

The context in which the word yom is used in Genesis 1:5-2:2, describing each day as “the evening and the morning,” makes it quite clear that the author of Genesis meant 24-hour periods. The references to “evening” and “morning” make no sense unless they refer to a literal 24-hour day. This was the standard interpretation of the days of Genesis 1:5-2:2 until the 1800s when a paradigm shift occurred within the scientific community, and the earth's sedimentary strata layers were reinterpreted. Whereas previously the rock layers were interpreted as evidence of Noah's flood, the flood was thrown out by the scientific community and the rock layers were reinterpreted as evidence for an excessively old earth. Some well-meaning but terribly mistaken Christians then sought to reconcile this new anti-flood, anti-biblical interpretation with the Genesis account by reinterpreting yom to mean vast, unspecified periods of time.

The truth is that many of the old-earth interpretations are known to rely upon faulty assumptions. But we must not let the stubborn close-mindedness of scientists influence how we read the Bible. According to Exodus 20:9-11, God used six literal days to create the world in order to serve as a model for man's workweek: work six days, rest one. Certainly God could have created everything in an instant if He wanted to. But apparently He had us in mind even before He made us (on the sixth day) and wanted to provide an example for us to follow.got?

Recommended Resource: Biblical Creationism by Henry Morris.
 

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When it comes to Genesis in the creation a day was not 24 hours, sir.
Really? The creation account describes not only LIGHT being created to give light for the day, separating from the darkness but also the sun and moon giving light for the morning and the night to complete _ ONE _ 24-hour day.

"Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
... Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;" Genesis 1;3-5, 14
 
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Ronald Burno, the Sun and moon were created on the fourth day.

None of these things are a hill to die on, I will assure you.

It would be stupid to argue these minor things... in my opinion.

Everyone has their own subjective opinion about it, and I do not care.

Doesn't effect salvation.
 

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You can just start your own thread brother.

That’s all you have to do. If people want to know about false prophets and idolatries all they gotta do is go look up those words in the Greek and Hebrew and grab a study bible and learn it.

You are trying to get me on the spot as a demanding that I should just submit to you as though you have some type of authority my friend.

Sorry to tell you, you don’t have any authority so I really wish you would just leave me alone because you are getting to the point of harassing me rather than pestering, @Christophany.

Just leave me alone dude I would much appreciate that.

I see you removed your foul abusive words but did not apologize for using them against me.

1 Corinthians 13
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs

Ephesians 4:29
Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them.

Ephesians 5:4
Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving.

Colossians 3:8
But now you must put aside all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

Colossians 4:6
Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

Ecclesiastes 10:12
The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious, but the lips of a fool consume him.

hope this helps !!!
 

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Ronald Burno, the Sun and moon were created on the fourth day.

None of these things are a hill to die on, I will assure you.

It would be stupid to argue these minor things... in my opinion.

Everyone has their own subjective opinion about it, and I do not care.

Doesn't effect salvation.
You really have no clue about the literal days in Genesis . Many times scripture affirms God “ rested “ after the days of creation on the 7th day. Man is to work 6 days and rest on the 7th which God in many places calls the Sabbath Day. We get our work week from the 7 days . The Bible calendar is based upon those 7 days , 52 weeks , 365 days in a year.

hope this helps !!!

but somehow I doubt it will and fall upon deaf ears .
 

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But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 2 Peter 3:8

When it comes to Genesis in the creation a day was not 24 hours, sir.
The Hebrew word yom is used 2301 times in the Old Testament. Outside of Genesis 1, yom plus a number (used 410 times) always indicates an ordinary day, i.e., a 24-hour period. The words “evening” and “morning” together (38 times) always indicate an ordinary day. Yom + “evening” or “morning” (23 times) always indicates an ordinary day. Yom + “night” (52 times) always indicates an ordinary day.

The context in which the word yom is used in Genesis 1:5-2:2, describing each day as “the evening and the morning,” makes it quite clear that the author of Genesis meant 24-hour periods. The references to “evening” and “morning” make no sense unless they refer to a literal 24-hour day. This was the standard interpretation of the days of Genesis 1:5-2:2 until the 1800s when a paradigm shift occurred within the scientific community, and the earth's sedimentary strata layers were reinterpreted.
 

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Really? The creation account describes not only LIGHT being created to give light for the day, separating from the darkness but also the sun and moon giving light for the morning and the night to complete _ ONE _ 24-hour day.

"Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
... Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;" Genesis 1;3-5, 14
Amen
 

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If anyone else has anything to share on the topic of Immortal soul, from your own personal view please feel free to comment if you would like, thank you for all who have taken time to comment and share.

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Ronald Burno, the Sun and moon were created on the fourth day.

None of these things are a hill to die on, I will assure you.

It would be stupid to argue these minor things... in my opinion.

Everyone has their own subjective opinion about it, and I do not care.

Doesn't effect salvation.
Light was created on the 1st day and the sun, moon and stars on the 4th. Why bring up a hill to die on, which is another topic? But whatever hill you die on, it will be during the day, when the sun is out, or at night, when the moon is shining and it will be on ONE DAY. You are dismissive ... attitude and tone. It's common when people are putting your views up against the wall and you can't handle the heat. So you respond with: thank you very much. lol My grandson responds to me that way when he doesn't want to hear good sound advice, like: "You are 21, go to school or get a job and help your Dad!" He sounds like Elvis: "Thank you very much!"
Emmm, I've noticed you have almost 5,000 messages in just a little over a year ... lot's of time on your hands?
 
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Where does the BIBLE not what you have been taught say they died " spiritually " that day ?

hope this helps !!!

The concept of the first pair dying spiritually isn't a Scriptural one.

Isaiah 1:18 Come, let’s consider (reason together) your options,” says the Lord. “Though your sins have stained you like the color red, you can become white like snow; though they are as easy to see as the color scarlet, you can become white like wool.

It wasn't a death, as such, but a separation which required important spiritual acts to find redemption.

Isaiah 59:2 But your sinful acts have alienated (a barrier) you from your God; your (continued) sins have caused him to reject you and not listen to your prayers.

Even in rejection its never total and absolute! God's love is the consistency in His relationship with Israel - if they drew close they Had His favor and security but if they strayed they suffered terribly.
 
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Adam and Eve did die that day, spiritually, then they were taken out of the Garden. Adam died 900 years later. This is why many people put a lot of emphasis on being born from above - becoming alive spiritually from being spiritually dead. However, All people who had died since Adam - Jesus, before the resurrection were all placed in Hades, which has two compartments (Paradise/Sheol).

So Jesus was the second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45), He was the one who obeyed God, and fulfilled all of the law and the prophets. So that God through Christ could reconcile the world unto himself.

The one covering of Adam & Eve was a sign to the them that God would deal with their sins by the offering of a lamb. You could argue in the grand scheme of things Adam & Eve were spiritually awaken that day (knowledge of Good & Evil!!!). The terms "Spiritually dead" should only be used of the ungodly, those who have no knowledge of God.

To say Adam was spiritually dead through sin in affect you are saying his had no knowledge of God but this is not true. Being born from above is having an enlightened conscience as per 1 Peter 3:21 - all it means MattG is a mind which receives the Word of God like you recall the example of the Bereans Acts of the Apostles 17:11 ?

If you add more to being born from above, you will enter into man-made notions.

Being Born from Above = Receiving the Word with all readiness of mind = searching the Scriptures daily = Ephesians 5:26
 
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