Scripture Study of The Immortal Soul (Spirit of Man/Woman)

[Aunty Jane]

The context in which the word yom is used in Genesis 1:5-2:2, describing each day as “the evening and the morning,” makes it quite clear that the author of Genesis meant 24-hour periods. The references to “evening” and “morning” make no sense unless they refer to a literal 24-hour day.

Is there something wrong with the math here? How many hours between "evening and morning" are there? That is just the passing of one night....not 24 hours.

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t know aunty Jane, people can make mountains out of mole hills.

When it comes to the creation, there are people who believe made God something out of nothing or out of something, that a creation of a day was 24 literal hours, it’s all conjecture as far as I can see except God made nothing out of something by his spoken word.

Like I stated before, it’s not something to die over, people will fight over flat earth or round earth, old earth or new earther theory’s and stuff.

I don’t care much about theory’s, but truth is far more paramount. And some things are simply subjective to the individual.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The one covering of Adam & Eve was a sign to the them that God would deal with their sins by the offering of a lamb.

Can you please show us where it says this in the Bible?

You could argue in the grand scheme of things Adam & Eve were spiritually awaken that day. The terms "Spiritually dead" should only be used of the ungodly, those who have no knowledge of God.

Sorry, that isn't true either....
One can be in a saved condition and then return to their old ways and lose it.
"Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first. 21 It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.” (2 Peter 2:20-22)

Eve was in a saved condition and so was her husband, but a tempter came along and broke their relationship with God by deception. He hasn't changed his tactics.

To say Adam was spiritually dead through sin in affect you are saying his had no knowledge of God but this is not true. Being born from above is having an enlightened conscience as per 1 Peter 3:21 - all it means MattG is a mind which receives the Word of God like you recall the example of the Bereans Acts of the Apostles 17:11 ?

Not true....Adam had the knowledge, but abused his free will and made a decision to join his disobedient wife rather than obey his God and live without her. Divided loyalties work in the devil's favor.

 

[ChristisGod]

I don’t know aunty Jane, people can make mountains out of mole hills.

When it comes to the creation, there are people who believe made God something out of nothing or out of something, that a creation of a day was 24 literal hours, it’s all conjecture as far as I can see except God made nothing out of something by his spoken word.

Like I stated before, it’s not something to die over, people will fight over flat earth or round earth, old earth or new earther theory’s and stuff.

I don’t care much about theory’s, but truth is far more paramount. And some things are simply subjective to the individual.

Do you know what a miracle is by definition ?

Lets hear it ?

 

[Phoneman777]

Why do people not believe in the immortal soul?

Because Romans 2:7-9 KJV says immortality is granted ONLY to those who seek it. The wicked don't seek immortality, and thus will suffer "extinction of being" in the Lake of Fire".

The soul (spirit of Man/Woman) is composed of (mind/will/emotion) of an individual that is housed inside of a body - that is formed in the womb of the woman, that is created by God (of course some factors of what a person does to their body while pregnant does cause some problems during creation of the baby inside of the womb.)

Sorry, but Genesis 2:7 KJV tells you and everyone else what comprises a "Soul":

"God formed man of the dust of the ground, breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul".
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A Soul comes into existence only as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life (Spirit of Life) and at death, when the Spirit returns to God Who gave it exactly as it was when it came forth and the dust returns to the Earth, the Soul ceases to be.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.

Yes, the "Spirit" of God returns to Him EXACTLY as it was when It came forth from Him, understand? It returns to Him exactly as It was: It didn't look like you, sound like you, smell like you because when It issued forth from Him you did not yet exist! You didn't begin to exist until It traveled from Him up there and descended into your Body down here, and when we die, It returns to Him EXACTLY as It was when it went forth. Why can thinking people not understand this? Can we "return" to the moon? No, because we have to have been there and left before we can "return" there again, understand? We humans don't "return" anywhere at death except to the dust!

• Matthew 10:28 And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.

• Luke 12:20 `And God said to him, Unthinking one! this night thy soul they shall require from thee, and what things thou didst prepare -- to whom shall they be?

• 1 Corinthians 15:54 and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to victory;

If the Soul is immortal, then why does the Bible say it can die, when immortality means "cannot die"? "The Soul that sinneth, it shall die". "Let him know that he that converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death..."

• Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;

Accordingly to scripture - souls live on in the afterlife ; before Jesus Christ and his return souls (or the spirit of man/woman) would reside in Sheol (the covering place of the dead - those who had died and passed away on earth.)

This verse is not talking about before Jesus returns for us - Revelation 20 clearly says both Resurrections are seperated by the thousand years and this "reign" spoken of above is that 1,000 year reign in heaven while the dead lie rotting down here, having dropped dead "at the brightness of His coming".

These scriptures make it clear that the soul (spirit of man) continues on after this life that soul is a part of you as a person now today. There are two destinations in my best estimation today, for people to go to that is the Heavenly Realm - being outside of the Kingdom having died not being a child of or a Son or Daughter of God. The second or first however you decide to apply this is in the new Heavenly Jerusalem where God resides inside of the the new spiritual city, according to Revelation 22.

The "immortal soul" crowd doesn't seem to understand the Biblical distinction between the Soul and Spirit - you guys constantly make them on in the same. Remember when Jesus prayed for God above to receive His Spirit, but Peter says His soul was not left in hell down here, meaning the grave?

Remember how Hebrews 4:12 KJV says the Word of God can "divide" the Soul from the Spirit as assuredly as bone marrow can be sliced off from the joints?

"The Blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, the Lord of lords, WHO ONLY HATH IMMORTALITY..."​

 

[Aunty Jane]

I don’t know aunty Jane, people can make mountains out of mole hills.

When it comes to the creation, there are people who believe made God something out of nothing or out of something, that a creation of a day was 24 literal hours, it’s all conjecture as far as I can see except God made nothing out of something by his spoken word.

Like I stated before, it’s not something to die over, people will fight over flat earth or round earth, old earth or new earther theory’s and stuff.

I don’t care much about theory’s, but truth is far more paramount. And some things are simply subjective to the individual.

There are conclusions we can arrive at just by deduction....logic, based on the information that we do have.

For example, we know that dinosaurs existed as there is proof in the skeletal remains that have been found. Since all the land animals were created on the 6th day, how is it that dinosaurs were extinct before humankind were created? There is nothing in the scriptures to suggest that they ever co-existed with us. Due to their sheer size and numbers, their very existence would have been life threatening to us.

If the creative days were thousands or even millions of years long, what is time to an eternal God? The creative days could have been eras of undetermined length according to the meaning of the Hebrew word "Yom" (meaning "day" in exactly the same way as we use it in English). If I speak about my grandfather's "day", I am not speaking about a 24 hour period, am I?
If I speak of "the dawn of a new era", people know what that means.

When the Bible says there was "evening and morning"...that is the end of one day and the beginning of another.....but the Jewish "day" began at unset and did not end until the next sunset. So I am taking that to mean the end of one creative period, and the beginning of the next creative period. One day closes and another begins

Noah took on board the ark, specimens of every "kind" of creature that dwelt on land. Can you honestly see dinosaurs being accommodated on the ark? They would have taken up all the space and eaten all the food.

Why does it have to be 24 hours when nothing in the Bible argues with what science knows about archeology and paleontology. We know that the earth itself is very ancient, and the wording of Genesis does not mean that God poofed it into existence and then it was all complete within a literal 6 days. God is a Creator, not a magician. He has all the time he needs to do whatever he wishes.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Adam and Eve did die that day, spiritually, then they were taken out of the Garden. Adam died 900 years later. This is why many people put a lot of emphasis on being born from above - becoming alive spiritually from being spiritually dead. However, All people who had died since Adam - Jesus, before the resurrection were all placed in Hades, which has two compartments (Paradise/Sheol).

So Jesus was the second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45), He was the one who obeyed God, and fulfilled all of the law and the prophets. So that God through Christ could reconcile the world unto himself.

Yes they did Matt. Spiritual death can be defined as rejection from Jehovah. They died completely within that thousand year day of God as well.

Notice how you pointed out how the second Adam obeyed God. We too must let him be our example, and do our utmost to obey God as well don't you think Matt? After all it is how we show our love for Him 1 Jn 5:3

 

[MatthewG]

Because Romans 2:7-9 KJV says immortality is granted ONLY to those who seek it. The wicked don't seek immortality, and thus will suffer "extinction of being" in the Lake of Fire".

Okay, because of Romans 2:7-9; It does say, to those, indeed, who in continuance of a good work, do seek glory, and honour and incorruptibility -- life age-during.

And to those contentious, and disobedient, indeed, to the truth, and obeying the unrighteousness -- indignation and wrath,

tribulations and distress, upon every soul of man that is working the evil, both Jew first, and of Greek.​

So, there are two factors here, one of a soul (mind/will/emotion) of a individual who do continue in good work, do seek glory and honor and incorruptibility - which is life age-during. (Some scripture says Eternal).

The second one, being of those are contentious, disobedient, indeed, to the truth, and obeying the unrighteousness, (Indignation and wrath) along with tribulations, and distress, upon every soul of man that is working the evil, both to the Jew first, and of the greek.

With this being said, I do not see where a soul is going to be annihilated, maybe you do, however I do see where indignation and wrath - along with many troubles for an individual (Soul) that works the evil.​

Sorry, but Genesis 2:7 KJV tells you and everyone else what comprises a "Soul":

"God formed man of the dust of the ground, breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul".​

Yes a living soul - the word for soul is Nephesh, and it is a soul, a living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion.

The breathe that God breathed into the man, the word is neshamah - which is NASB translation is, blast, breath, breathes, life, persons alive, spirit, who breathed.

So I do believe that God breathed into the man, the breathe of life, that made him alive and it was part of the the spirit which introduced the man to becoming a living soul.

Adam died spiritually when he ate from the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil, and died 900 years later. However where did his soul go? Where did the soul of all the people who died on the earth when God sent he flood go?
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Where they all annihilated? Where they placed somewhere separated from God? I personally believe everyone went to the Sheol - the covering place from God that the dead where held in which comprised of two compartments Paradise and Prison. This were all the disembodied souls of individuals had been put. There was even a part where Angels who gave up their estate, and were held in chains, who had left their heavenly estate.

Thus from your view, in the first sentence, you seem to come from the aspect of a

A Soul comes into existence only as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life (Spirit of Life) and at death, when the Spirit returns to God Who gave it exactly as it was when it came forth and the dust returns to the Earth, the Soul ceases to be.

The only part of human beings I see that dies, is the vessel that we carry around, that being the body, however when this body dies, eventually through passing generations, people are forgotten and no longer remembered because they return back to dust, they have no more sayings, or doings on the earth for that they have died. However their soul - the very living thing that makes us who we are - (mind/will/emotions) - couldn't be fully lost could it?

Considering what Moses wrote here in Genesis 1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

God is immortal, and if Adam and Eve never sinned, they would have lived forever too ( I believe ), however eventually one their kids would have probably ate from that tree and then they would have all spiritually died. They would have been separated from God. However the life of God is breathed into human beings when they first enter into the world and take their first breath.

And for me personally (you may disagree), I believe all people after this life are resurrected, faithful, or faithless. So to say that the soul dies in the sense of it is obliterate is wrong in my best estimation. However people do believe that, and I am not here to judge but will share with you.

Yes, the "Spirit" of God returns to Him EXACTLY as it was when It came forth from Him, understand? It returns to Him exactly as It was: It didn't look like you, sound like you, smell like you because when It issued forth from Him you did not yet exist!

The Soul is not the body, but the Soul is our (mind/will/emotions), just as God has a mind/will/and has shown emotions, through the old testament, and also through the Word - Jesus Christ. Did Jesus when he die, did his soul die? From my belief, Jesus went to Hades/Sheol, and the thief on the cross went to Paradise with Jesus that very same day. This Paradise is not heaven, Yeshua had to go through what everyone else had to go through before being raised again. While being a disembodied spirit/soul - He traveled from Paradise and even preached or gave a message to those who were lost in the days of Noah. Three days later, he was risen again by God, and thus resurrection followed suit afterwards.

I believe all people will be resurrected faithless, and faithful. Jesus said something about this in John 5:29, and he should be believed.

On the question of the soul - How can a soul die? Remember now, the soul is the (mind/will/emotions) of an individual and it is what interacts with our body.

• If I sell my self out to do nothing but see gains in this world, will I not lose my (mind/will/emotions) if all I desire to do is smoke meth, and have sex with whoever I want to?
• Or perhaps eat all kinds of food, and gain all kinds of power and money and wealth, will I not lose my mind/will/emotions of the one I should truly be setting my eyes on?
• That being Yahweh and His Son?

Think about what Jesus said here:

• Mark 8:
• 34Then Jesus called the crowd to Him along with His disciples, and He told them, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me.
• 35For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and for the gospel will save it.
• 36What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?
• 37Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?
• 38If anyone is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in His Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

This is all I felt like responding to @Phoneman777 you can disagree, or agree however you may, these are my own personal beliefs, and I am not here to force anyone to believe anything I say, but these are some of the things that reside in my own heart.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I believe all people will be resurrected faithless, and faithful. Jesus said something about this in John 5:29, and he should be believed.

I think pretty much everyone believes this occurs, and then the judgement…

 

[MatthewG]

No one has ever asked me the question about judgement.

When it comes to my death day, I believe I will judge immediately, I do not think there is going to be this long line that all people will be standing in, looking, watching, waiting, seeing some being tossed into the lake of fire or whatever, to me @stunnedbygrace. Do you have an idea or a belief yourself of what you think afterlife will look concerning this specific matter.

Believe me this, I did kind of believe that based on mans interpretation found here: Chick Trope: Pitching for the Angels… (at one point in time.)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No one has ever asked me the question about judgement.

When it comes to my death day, I believe I will judge immediately, I do not think there is going to be this long line that all people will be standing in, looking, watching, waiting, seeing some being tossed into the lake of fire or whatever, to me @stunnedbygrace. Do you have an idea or a belief yourself of what you think afterlife will look concerning this specific matter.

Believe me this, I did kind of believe that based on mans interpretation found here: Chick Trope: Pitching for the Angels… (at one point in time.)

I guess the passages that convince me of judgement (two different judgements at two different times actually) are these mostly.

The Thousand Years
20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the bottomless pitand a heavy chain in his hand. 2 He seized the dragon—that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan—and bound him in chains for a thousand years. 3 The angel threw him into the bottomless pit, which he then shut and locked so Satan could not deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years were finished. Afterward he must be released for a little while.

4 Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5 This is the first resurrection. (The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years had ended.) 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. For them the second death holds no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him a thousand years.

The Defeat of Satan
7 When the thousand years come to an end, Satan will be let out of his prison. 8 He will go out to deceive the nations—called Gog and Magog—in every corner of the earth. He will gather them together for battle—a mighty army, as numberless as sand along the seashore. 9 And I saw them as they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded God’s people and the beloved city. But fire from heaven came down on the attacking armies and consumed them.

10 Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The Final Judgment
11 And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. 12 I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the gravegave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. 15 And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[MatthewG]

Yeah, I believe those have already occurred so, it is slightly different for me. I believe God will work it out for him to have none loss, and I believe there will still be people who are separated from God when it boils down to Revelation 22, which are after all the things in Revelation 20 - 21 have done come to pass, thank you for sharing Stunned.

 

[Taken]

For example, we know that dinosaurs existed as there is proof in the skeletal remains that have been found. Since all the land animals were created on the 6th day, how is it that dinosaurs were extinct before humankind were created? There is nothing in the scriptures to suggest that they ever co-existed with us. Due to their sheer size and numbers, their very existence would have been life threatening to us.

There is evidence of enormous Land and Sea animals existing on Earth during the same time manKind existed on Earth.
(Men discovering bones of massive animals, and after the fact of them living, named them, categorized them, ie types, species, classes.)
God established animals by KINDS.

Scripturally, enormous Sea animals were called Leviathan’s. Enormous Land Animals were called Behemoth’s.

If the creative days were thousands or even millions of years long, what is time to an eternal God? The creative days could have been eras of undetermined length according to the meaning of the Hebrew word "Yom" (meaning "day" in exactly the same way as we use it in English). If I speak about my grandfather's "day", I am not speaking about a 24 hour period, am I?
If I speak of "the dawn of a new era", people know what that means.

Scriptural references is by generations, these days, those days, this day, etc.

When the Bible says there was "evening and morning"...that is the end of one day and the beginning of another.....but the Jewish "day" began at unset and did not end until the next sunset. So I am taking that to mean the end of one creative period, and the beginning of the next creative period. One day closes and another begins

Yes. In the beginning, It was DARK, God introduced LIGHT. Immediately establishing a DIVISION. And God Named the Dark and Light Divisions.

Noah took on board the ark, specimens of every "kind" of creature that dwelt on land. Can you honestly see dinosaurs being accommodated on the ark? They would have taken up all the space and eaten all the food.

That is to presume using a modern term “dinosaur”. Ignoring that term, and the size discovered by archeology digs; Scripture speaks of KINDS, numbers, genders of animals entering the Ark, not size.
Not going to presume and go through EVERY KIND, (that would fall under the science of Baraminology, seemingly not notable on the top list of sciences)
Highly doubt the total amount of KINDS of animals on the Ark were more than a few hundred and likely not all adult.

Why does it have to be 24 hours when nothing in the Bible argues with what science knows about archeology and paleontology. We know that the earth itself is very ancient, and the wording of Genesis does not mean that God poofed it into existence and then it was all complete within a literal 6 days. God is a Creator, not a magician. He has all the time he needs to do whatever he wishes.

Scripture reveals Divisions of dark and light. Nothing says routinely equal dark and light. We in this day, as in ancient days can observe routine varying longer and shorter amounts of dark and light.
24 Hours is mans calculations of the most exact observation of an equal darkness and equal lightness, coming to the conclusion of 24, occurring 2X per year, marking Stars seen certain times, Yearly, Monthly, Dates, Hourly, Seasonal Divisions Scripturally mentioned.
As far as Creation, 6 days were exclusively revealed. Not like God had a “workshop” and tinkered around. No one compared God to a magician, but rather His Supreme Power and Will to speak His Will into existence.

Just sharing.
Taken

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yeah, I believe those have already occurred so, it is slightly different for me. I believe God will work it out for him to have none loss, and I believe there will still be people who are separated from God when it boils down to Revelation 22, which are after all the things in Revelation 20 - 21 have done come to pass, thank you for sharing Stunned.

Ah, yes, I forgot you believe death has already been thrown into the lake of fire and that everyone not recorded in the book of life has already been thrown into the lake of fire. I forgot for a moment.

 

[face2face]

Can you please show us where it says this in the Bible?

Evening Jane.

In the AV it's written as "Coats" however, ˓ôwr, ore; from 5783; skin (as naked); by impl. hide, leather:— hide, leather, skin (singular)

The Hebrew word, interpretation and tradition suggests it was a single skin (not plural) as it is in the AV.

If it was coats (plural) you would use the word kuttoneth, rendered 'coats' implies a tunic or coat (plural).

The idea, which I am not dogmatic on, and if you felt it was incidental I'm not going to debate it, is that God in making garments from a single animal (skin) is a type of Christ's sacrifice, as he is a single covering that covers many people.

 

[face2face]

One can be in a saved condition and then return to their old ways and lose it.

Totally agree.

Not true....Adam had the knowledge, but abused his free will and made a decision to join his disobedient wife rather than obey his God and live without her. Divided loyalties work in the devil's favor.

Sorry Jane, you don't have a devil in the OT...I would be interested to know what the equivalent of the Greek in Hebrew for false accuser is though? Any thoughts?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You are quoting a section here which is rather challenging to interpret. Let's just say it's a text which challenges the most discerning of scholars and by no means can it be used flippantly to support your ethereal gusts of air wafting into the pearly gates.

I think what you have done here is merely seen the word "spirits" and made certain assumptions about its meaning. Truth is, you have just copied and pasted the text, but not given any insight to its meaning. If you are not willing to expound the text, you should think twice about your motives in pasting it (anther tip ;)).

1. The word "spirits" never signifies disembodied people in the Bible.
2. You realise angels who are called "spirits" in Hebrews 1:7 and they are bodily beings?
3. Lot call's them "men" in Genesis 19:1, Genesis 19:8 and Jacob wrestled with one of them in Genesis 32:24.
4. The Apostle John teaches you & I to "try the spirits" in 1 John 4:1, but in the same verse he identifies the spirits with false prophets.



It's rather easy to interpret once you understand the clever terminology being used.

"Spirits in prison" is an expression for people who are in bondage to sin and death.
Such as Isaiah 42:6,Isaiah 42:7; Isaiah 61:1; Ephesians 2:1,Ephesians 2:2

(MattG - I really hope you read each of those above verses! ;))

Just to be clear it's not saying Jesus when he died, went and preached to these spirits (wafts of air) in prison?

If so, what prison? Please dont say Hades

A closer look will tell you is was the Spirit of Christ in the person and faith of Noah, which preached to the spirits in prison - to those bound to the flesh and death.

F2F

Excellent. You made several keen observations about 1 Pet. 3:18-23.
That is a difficult and mysterious passage to figure. Spirits in this passage are not necessarily departed humans.
1. One view held by John MacArthur ( which I now do not agree with) is that the reference to spirits is fallen angels.
2. Another is held by RC Sproul ( the one I now agree with), which is that all of us are in captivity ( prison), slaves to sin and Satan UNTIL we are born again. So Jesus did exactly that, He preached to those in prison filled with the Holy Spirit and also by the Holy Spirit, preached to those in Noah's time through Noah.

Why would Jesus preach to anyone who has already been judged?
So Jesus preached to spirits - how? By the Holy Spirit who spoke through the prophets. It just sounds like Jesus was telling us by Whom He operated through at that time.

 

[face2face]

Sometimes in Scripture you are told things like Genesis 3:21 and we are not told the type of animal - and did God place this wet skin right from the animal onto Adam & Eve? Boy, that would sure make you feel the affects of sin (again, I am not dogmatic Jane, so go easy!) These comments @Aunty Jane are just thoughts of mine. We know our Lord is the Lamb of God John 1:29, a provision of Yahweh. He was a body prepared as per Hebrews 10:5; Zechariah 3:9 - We must agree there was one covenant victim, did God in keeping with His plan provide a single skin to suitably clothe both the man and his wife? The Hebrew suggests He did.

 

[face2face]

Remember, Lucifer was the most glorious and beautiful angels. Take a back seat to man ... serve him? He turned and became our enemy, the accuser and took 1/3 of the angels with him.
So these bad angels were left in prison (and still are locked up). They were left in the dark, not knowing why. They were not privy to God's plan, nor was Satan. They were confused. So now Jesus reveals the truth to them, the climax of the story ... "This is why ... all along I was to become a Savior and I accomplished this purpose..." Maybe He thought they deserved an explanation? IMHO - just conjecture though.

See @Aunty Jane how Christians make assumptions on Biblical text which just isn't there, so many gross fabrications which when applied one after another you get this inserted story, which just isn't there.

Lucifer or a Fallen Angel
King of Tyre or a Supernatural Creature of Darkness
The Powerless Adversary in Job

I appreciate the post Ronald, but nothing in it has any Biblical foundation at all. If you are inclined to read the threads you will see why.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Is there something wrong with the math here? How many hours between "evening and morning" are there? That is just the passing of one night....not 24 hours.

Jane, interested in your thoughts here?
Notice the darkness preceded the light. (natural first then spiritual)
I assume you know the Jewish day starts at 6pm (or nightfall)? I'm a bit hazy on this, but I recall the Jewish night (12 hours) and day (12 hours) is considered two days. I'm sure you have a point to share ;)