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CULTS.... the definition...when related to RELIGION, and specifically to CHRISTianity, .... would be defined spiritually, based on their theology, regarding one thing essentially.

1.) The DOCTRINE of Salvation, or, Soteriology., and did they get it right or did they get it wrong.

Reader.....See that one doctrine, that one Theology?
Cults, all of them, get it wrong. They all believe one thing that defines their entire church, denomination, membership, as a CULT as it relates to CHRISTianity.

What is that one thing?
Cults/Heretics : do not believe that GOD, through Christ....... maintains their salvation for eternity, and a sub-cult believes that WATER BAPTISM is what saves you.

All "chrisitan" cults deny that Salvation is Eternal.
All "christian" cults deny that Salvation is only based on CHRIST.
All "christian" Cults deny that Salvation is all of God and none of you.

Ive writted about a dozen related Threads on this Forum and on nearly all Christian forums, that detail what a DARK LIGHT, is all about.
Ive also a few entittled : "How to Spot a HERETIC", or similar.

And always, its the same ID. Its the same Revelation, its the same Trademark that defines them, their cult, and proves that the devil is behind it all.

See, the devil wants one thing. He wants you, me, all of us, in HELL, and then the Lake of Fire .
Well, he can't have that if we are born again, so, he has a plan for us. He wants to have us become deceived in our FAITH, so that our faith shifts from Jesus, to SELF.......... Keeping self saved. Working to try to stay saved.
See that? That is to become "Fallen from GRACE", as Paul defines it., and that is the ruined/subverted/broken faith that the DEVIL wants you to own.
He has his people selling it.
Believe it.

All Cults and all Heretics teach a Salvation Doctrine that OMITS God's Grace and inserts, "self effort" "Works" "commandment keeping" and "law"... and in some cases Water Baptism.
It other words all religious "christian" cults, REPLACE the BLOOD OF JESUS and the CROSS OF CHRIST, which is the BLOOD ATONEMENT...= with SELF EFFORT.

Thats LEGALSIM, and that is the Hallmark of a "christian" cult., which is the Devil's religion that is almed to subvert real Christianity.
 
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We simply reject the fact that you are saved or can be saved until the end! Matt 24:13

salvation is by grace not “faith alone”!

you cannot enter the kingdom on you’re own by “faith alone”!
 
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1 pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

1 pet 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

2 Peter 1:3
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

2 Peter 1:5
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; (sure sounds like faith alone to me?)


Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

27. Heb 1:14 shall be heirs of salvation

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
(Must remain obedient)

(He who endured to the end) one who dies in a state of grace united to Jesus Christ by faith and baptism!
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 1 pet 3:21
Matt 24:13


Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible if baptism is rejected!




“Faith alone”?

Charity

Deut. 6:5
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema.

Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing.

1 cor 13:12 now abide faith, hope, and charity, and the greatest of these is charity.

If salvation was by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!!!

If we are saved by faith alone then when we first believed we would be saved?

Romans 13:11
…our salvation nearer than when we believed.

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Matt 5 the merciful obtain mercy!

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
 
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We simply reject the fact that you are saved or can be saved until the end!”!

Then you are denying that Jesus is Salvation.

See, when you deny that Salvation is Eternal, then you are not understanding that Jesus is Salvation.

Not water.
Not works.
Not enduring.
Not anything YOU DO unles YOU hung on the Cross and there are a lot of self righteous people who seem to think they did, as all they can talk about is ..."LOOK AT ME....SEE WHAT IM DOING TO GO TO HEAVEN".

This type of Cross Denying self righteousness, offends God and Denies Christ His Glory that HE ALONE EARNED on that Cross.
 

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More vain speeches.

God is always at peace with you, at all times, no matter what you do

The only way that anyone would fall for this is if they were ignorant of the Bible or just stopped listening to the Bible.

Why did God cause the murder of many Jews in the Old Testament?

Because of their sins!

This new god of yours is not the God of the Bible. Otherwise you make God into an unjust being who murders people for not keeping his commandments that he knows they cannot obey!

Madness!

Christ in you always makes you acceptable to God exactly same as He did the first day you first believed and received Christ

When you first came into the faith God took away your sins. This remains true as long you continue in the faith obeying the precepts laid out in the New Testament.

and the same Blood of Jesus that took care of all your sin, continues to do it

Not true.

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Its because the born again are MADE RIGHTEOUS, and this is an eternal status that can never end

Not true:

“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.” (Luke 12:45-46)

Do you see yourself as this?
If you don't then you do not have God's perspective of you

No, what you don’t have is the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved.

Real faith is you seeing yourself as God sees you, at all times. And that is "made Righteous".. "The Righteousness of God, in Christ".

When you first come into the faith you are made righteous by the forgiveness of your old sins. Then as a righteous servant of God you proceed to do righteous works.

“Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” (1 John 3:7)

“For when you were the slaves of sin, you were free from righteousness. What fruit did you have then in those things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.” (Romans 6:20-21)

Christ IN YOU< makes you all of this, and keeps you the same, always and forever.

Welcome to SALVATION.

No, welcome to the false doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved.

The day you were saved, you were a hell bound sinner.

And you teach that we are now heaven bound sinners… (an oxymoron)

God "Justifies the UNGODLY"< Romans 4:5

…those who came newly into the faith. Then they become GODLY!

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;” (Titus 2:11-12)

Some of you are bent backwards and guilt tripped worrying about some sin, some carnal deed you chose to do, and now you feel so condemned.

THEY SHOULD!

“And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.” (1 John 3:19-20)

Yet, on the Day that God saved you, you had a LIFETIME OF SIN that you brought to God, and He resolved it all instantly

Amen!

And you become born of God:

“Everyone who has been born of God does not commit sin…” (1 John 3:9)

All Cults and all Heretics teach a Salvation Doctrine that OMITS God's Grace and inserts, "self effort" "Works" "commandment keeping" and "law"... and in some cases Water Baptism.

Apostle inserts “self-effort” here:

“For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light” (Ephesians 5:8)

Apostle inserts “works” here:

“…do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to share, to be generous” (1 Timothy 6:18)

Apostle inserts “water baptism” here:

“Can anyone forbid water that these, who have received the Holy Ghost as well as we, should not be baptized?” (Acts 10:47)

Jesus inserts “commandment keeping” here:

“If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)

Apostle adds “law” here:

“Do we then make the Law void through faith? Let it not be! But we establish the Law.” (Romans 3:31)

Your sayings turns the holy Apostles into heretics of a cult!

Thats LEGALSIM, and that is the Hallmark of a "christian" cult., which is the Devil's religion that is almed to subvert real Christianity.

I suspect that the hallmark of the “Devils religion” is ANARCHISM by way of Once Saved Always Saved.
 
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I suspect that the hallmark of the “Devils religion” is ANARCHISM by way of Once Saved Always Saved.

I can help you with what you suspect.

The Hallmark of a Devil deceived person, is that they will continually deny that Christ alone gets them into heaven.

This person, is a Dark Light.
Jesus said of these deceived deceivers...>>"be careful that the light that is in you is not DARKNESS". Luke 11:35


How do you spot one?
Easy.
They have no use for the Cross, and never talk about it.
THey have no understanding of the Blood Atonement, and can't discuss it.
They will deny that Christ Himself is their Eternal Salvation, and will teach the devil's lie that you have to be good to go to heaven, as that is the theology of SELF SAVING. = LEGALISM

So, do you know anyone like this personally, Michiah-Imla?
Im sure you do.
 

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Then you are denying that Jesus is Salvation.

See, when you deny that Salvation is Eternal, then you are not understanding that Jesus is Salvation.

Not water.
Not works.
Not enduring.
Not anything YOU DO unles YOU hung on the Cross and there are a lot of self righteous people who seem to think they did, as all they can talk about is ..."LOOK AT ME....SEE WHAT IM DOING TO GO TO HEAVEN".

This type of Cross Denying self righteousness, offends God and Denies Christ His Glory that HE ALONE EARNED on that Cross.

Jesus Christ is our salvation in his person Lk 2:30
 

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and will teach the devil's lie that you have to be good to go to heaven

“…the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:” (Romans 2:5-6)

“Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile” (Romans 2:9-10)

When?

“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” (Romans 2:16)

The Hallmark of a Devil deceived person, is that they will continually deny that Christ alone gets them into heaven.

Funny how none of the inspired writers mentioned this. Where did you get this new revelation from?

How about you awake from your deception:

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

They have no use for the Cross, and never talk about it.

Hmm, Paul not once mentioned the “cross” in the entire book of Romans. So what’s your point? I’ll talk about the cross when the discussion warrants it. The cross is what got me started in the faith! Do you need it explained to you? I’ll be more than happy to.

THey have no understanding of the Blood Atonement, and can't discuss it.

I’ve been discussing it this whole time!

Just not in the false way you’re accustomed to…

They will deny that Christ Himself is their Eternal Salvation

No, they just teach it according to biblical truth!
 

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“…the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:” (Romans 2:5-6)
!

The born again, will never face God's Judgement for Sin in Eternity.
This is why all the born again, meet God as FATHER....daddy..."abba".

See, you are confused about Salvation, because you dont understand the Cross or the Blood Atonement.

You are teaching that this...... John 3:36,..... is waiting for the Born again.

The reality is, the born again are "one with God" and judgement is never going to find them after they die, as it has already been exected on their behalf, against Jesus on the Cross.

Its interesting that you know none of this..

I had asked you if you were a JW, or a Mormon.
Apparently you are Catholic, or something very related to the "cult of Mary".
 

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We simply reject the fact that you are saved or can be saved until the end! Matt 24:13

salvation is by grace not “faith alone”!

you cannot enter the kingdom on you’re own by “faith alone”!

I'm sorry to say to all my RCC friends, it is a works based religion trying to insert the work of Christ.

Grace and works does not and cannot mix!

Rom. 11:6

"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

The RCC will ignore Paul but will follow a misinterpretation of James on the Grace/works dispute.
 

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The born again, will never face God's Judgement for Sin in Eternity.

Not true.

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28-29)

This will be a terrible situation.

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men...” (2 Corinthians 5:10-11)

Read the Bible, BE PERSUADED!

you are confused about Salvation

No, YOU are.

Apparently you are Catholic, or something very related to the "cult of Mary".

I’m not a Catholic.

I’m not a Mormon.

I’m not a Jehovah’s Witness.

I am a saint of the Lord who believes God’s word in the Holy Bible.
 

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Not true.

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28-29)
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Ive an update for you.

No one goes to Heaven based on "done good", and noone goes to hell based on "done evil", as in sinning.

You are so stuck in "how i save myself" mode.
Total Legalism.

Listen, the born again go to heaven, because they are SAVED....by the BLOOD and DEATH of CHRIST.
Proof ? = BORN AGAIN.

So, the "done good", is symbolic of "believeing in Christ", and the "done evil" is to die as a Christ rejector. = John 3:36
 

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Ive an update for you.

No one goes to Heaven based on "done good", and noone goes to hell based on "done evil", as in sinning.

You are so stuck in "how i save myself" mode.
Total Legalism.

Listen, the born again go to heaven, because they are SAVED....by the BLOOD and DEATH of CHRIST.
Proof ? = BORN AGAIN.

So, the "done good", is symbolic of "believeing in Christ", and the "done evil" is to die as a Christ rejector. = John 3:36

You love ignoring scripture and lecturing people.

I thoroughly refuted your doctrine with scripture alone.

And as long as you continue to put out long-winded flowered worded posts I will continue to chop them down with the ax of the word.
 

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I thoroughly refuted your doctrine with scripture alone.
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You believe that posting verses is posting proof.
Try again.
Try something real.

Here are 2 for you to try.

Explain why the Blood of Jesus that saves the born again, always keeps them saved no matter how they behave later.

Explain why Paul teaches in Romans 4:8 that God does not charge sin against the Born again.

Take your time, as you'll need it.
 

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You believe that posting verses is posting proof.

It is proof.

You cannot just sit there and type unbiblical rhetoric without being called out on it with the word of God.

But since scripture cannot be taken at face value with your looney Once Saved Always Saved doctrine, simple Bible quotations are worthless to you unless a Once Saved Always Saved spin is attached to it…

You need to heed the pure word of God again.

“…which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction).” (2 Peter 3:16)

So I’m steadfastly on guard against you:

“Therefore, beloved, knowing beforehand, beware lest being led away with the error of the lawless, you fall from your own steadfastness.” (2 Peter 3:17)
 
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Not true.

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28-29)

This will be a terrible situation.

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men...” (2 Corinthians 5:10-11)

Read the Bible, BE PERSUADED!



No, YOU are.



I’m not a Catholic.

I’m not a Mormon.

I’m not a Jehovah’s Witness.

I am a saint of the Lord who believes God’s word in the Holy Bible.

You do err, M-I. Through the Grace of God given to believing man, he is spotless, perfect in the eyes of God.

Believing man is in Christ, as Paul said, and he is covered by his faith.

Disobedience is met with chastening, not rejection from the family of God!

Sin was judged at Calvary! The terror/fear that Paul is speaking of here is the judgment of our motivation and faithfulness.

There is no sin judged at the Judgement Seat of Christ!

You should know this, it only spells one thing, you do not understand Grace! Which is your entire problem!
 

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Disobedience is met with chastening, not rejection from the family of God!

And this will end for the one who will continue in sin afterwards:

“Wherefore will ye plead with me? ye all have transgressed against me, saith the LORD. In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion.” (Jeremiah 2:29-30)

There is no sin judged at the Judgement Seat of Christ!

Oh no?

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

Bad = Iniquity.

“And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:23)

You should know this, it only spells one thing, you do not understand Grace! Which is your entire problem!

Do you?

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world” (Titus 2:11-12)
 

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And this will end for the one who will continue in sin afterwards:

“Wherefore will ye plead with me? ye all have transgressed against me, saith the LORD. In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion.” (Jeremiah 2:29-30)



Oh no?

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.” (2 Corinthians 5:10)

Bad = Iniquity.

“And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:23)



Do you?

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world” (Titus 2:11-12)

You guys have a gift with mixing scripture among the believer and the unbeliever!

The Judgement Seat of Christ is for believers only, those who have been washed in the Blood of the Lamb.

The Great White Throne of Judgement is for unbelievers only. They stand naked and guilty before God through unbelief.

There is no Grace to cover their sins and they are judged on their sin.

But for those "in Christ" there is no sin, all covered by the Grace of God!

This is what you do not understand! Grace is a gift from God, a underserving gift. Our faith in what Christ did for us on the Cross is the only thing that saves us from what we deserve, eternity in Hell!

No one will enter into Glory without being perfect, spotless in the eyes of God! That perfection in the sight of God is found by faith in His Son, a gift we don't deserve!

In the eyes of world we Christians are found less than perfect, and we are less than perfect, but thank God, we Christians are not judged on our performance, we are judged by faith in His performance! That is Grace given to believing man in which we don't deserve!
 

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The Judgement Seat of Christ is for believers only, those who have been washed in the Blood of the Lamb.

The Great White Throne of Judgement is for unbelievers only. They stand naked and guilty before God through unbelief.

The Judgment Seat of Christ IS the great white throne Judgment!! There is no scriptural standing to separate them with vain word play.

Have you read this scripture?

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:” (John 5:22)

“…it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27)

You guys have a gift with mixing scripture among the believer and the unbeliever!

The entire Bible is for believers.

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)