attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[BarneyFife]

now that we have that out of the way... then whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own??? Remember you said "I believe as the bible writes that Father, son and Spirit are all divine or God. they are not the same people but all are equal in divinity."

Now the Doctrine of the trinity states that Jesus is not God based upon divinity.. "He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself."

So again, how is Jesus God?

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This is so far off-topic as to be nearly inexcusable.

THIS IS NOT A PRO NOR ANTI-TRINITY THREAD.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

PLEASE DON'T TRY TO MAKE IT ONE.

PLEASE??
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[True Faith]

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This is so far off-topic as to be nearly inexcusable.

THIS IS NOT A PRO NOR ANTI-TRINITY THREAD.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

PLEASE DON'T TRY TO MAKE IT ONE.

PLEASE??
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well that is interesting... did you read the OP??? I just did a second time... it is about exposing lies without being accused of "Attacking".... read the OP please... just curious as to how you came to me about this... The doctrine of the Trinity is a lie and I am exposing it with out being accused, yet, of attacking....

 

[True Faith]

If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?

you want to do it without being accused of "Attacking"? just ignore their attacks on you and demand an answer... they will come up with a reason to consider you as "Attacking them".... All you have to do is ask them a question like " Whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own?" or "Was it the will of Jesus to do the will of his Father, who is God?"...

You are now attacking them with questions that refute their doctrine and denomination... They will never answer you but they will adamantly come at you with how and why they believe the way they do...

So there is absolutely no way you can do this because their pride gets in the way of truth... none of them will actually have a civil conversation....

 

[BarneyFife]

well that is interesting... did you read the OP??? I just did a second time... it is about exposing lies without being accused of "Attacking".... read the OP please... just curious as to how you came to me about this... The doctrine of the Trinity is a lie and I am exposing it with out being accused, yet, of attacking....

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Just checking to see if you could be reasoned with...
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[L.A.M.B.]

There is no need to attack denominal teachings.

There is a desperate need however to try and convince others their beliefs may be wrong. Whether by man or self interpertation.

If you look at what the actual beliefs of MOST DENOMS are such as Baptist, Methodist, SDA, Church of God ect, you will see they profess to believe in sola Scriptura, the fullness of God in ALL 3 BEING ,FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT AS BEING ONE GOD. They profess that Jesus is the ONLY means of salvation by his sacrifical blood and that it is a free GIFT. They believe the HS resides with believers as teacher, comforter, and that he helps with bearing his fruit among followers.

It is the heretical teachings that destroy believers, shipwreck faith and cause a division among ppl that claim to know God.

There are lies and liars among us by heresy. If they continue in such a way they will pay the worst price of an eternity in the lake of fire.

We shoul ALL pray for one another.
The enemy roams this earth seeking only to destroy and take souls captive from God.

IT SHOULD GRIEVE US TO OUR CORE!

 

[BarneyFife]

just curious as to how you came to me about this...

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Oh, I don't know, maybe because you waltzed in, dropped a line in the water fishing for someone's core beliefs, and when they replied you seized upon one and hijacked the thread over the unrelated (and you know it) issue.

But you're perfectly within your rights, I guess.

At least, that seems to be the way of things these days.
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[True Faith]

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Oh, I don't know, maybe because you waltzed in, dropped a line in the water fishing for someone's core beliefs, and when they replied you seized upon one and hijacked the thread over the unrelated (and you know it) issue.

But you're perfectly within your rights, I guess.

At least, that seems to be the way of things these days.
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did you actually read my very first reply to this thread??? I think you need to go back to that one before dipping to one that was in a different conversation....

 

[True Faith]

@BarneyFife my very first response for this Thread...

Coming from experience from this site... they do not even follow scripture at all....

The second you call them out for their lies and deceit, they automatically make the claim that it is a " Character Attack".... lol....

The ones who cannot answer questions are the ones who get angry and offended because they are backed into a corner....

What did Paul say???.... Titus 1:9-16 "9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."

They cannot handle the truth because it offends them and they will go after each and every person who stands for the truth...

They will never answer direct questions without lying or making Jesus and God Himself out to be a liar with their answers...

 

[farouk]

There is no need to attack denominal teachings.

There is a desperate need however to try and convince others their beliefs may be wrong. Whether by man or self interpertation.

If you look at what the actual beliefs of MOST DENOMS are such as Baptist, Methodist, SDA, Church of God ect, you will see they profess to believe in sola Scriptura, the fullness of God in ALL 3 BEING ,FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT AS BEING ONE GOD. They profess that Jesus is the ONLY means of salvation by his sacrifical blood and that it is a free GIFT. They believe the HS resides with believers as teacher, comforter, and that he helps with bearing his fruit among followers.

It is the heretical teachings that destroy believers, shipwreck faith and cause a division among ppl that claim to know God.

There are lies and liars among us by heresy. If they continue in such a way they will pay the worst price of an eternity in the lake of fire.

We shoul ALL pray for one another.
The enemy roams this earth seeking only to destroy and take souls captive from God.

IT SHOULD GRIEVE US TO OUR CORE!

@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d It's all about what the Scriptures say.........

 

[Brakelite]

@BarneyFife my very first response for this Thread...

While I am not averse to discussion on the Godhead, even debate so long as all participants remember the holiness of the subject, which subject had been repeatedly touched upon, pulled apart, roasted and grilled elsewhere on many threads dedicated to the topic, my intent for this thread was to focus on the methods and attitudes we bring to denominational discussions, in the hope of bringing a substantial cause and motivation for good robust discussion on denominational roots and doctrines, without the accusations of attacking and personal abuse which is leveled to others do often in order to quench argument when answers become hard to find in the face of challenges.
Hijacking the thread so you can bring your personal views on one particular topic and using subterfuge to trap another poster into a corner in order to extricate by coercion the answer you want, is unfriendly, off topic, and selfish. Have a look around the debate thread, search"Trinity" or similar, and have fun.
And 788 messages, at last count, in a month? Seriously? I sense spam rather than any intent to actually engage in a conversation and discussion.

 

[True Faith]

While I am not averse to discussion on the Godhead, even debate so long as all participants remember the holiness of the subject, which subject had been repeatedly touched upon, pulled apart, roasted and grilled elsewhere on many threads dedicated to the topic, my intent for this thread was to focus on the methods and attitudes we bring to denominational discussions, in the hope of bringing a substantial cause and motivation for good robust discussion on denominational roots and doctrines, without the accusations of attacking and personal abuse which is leveled to others do often in order to quench argument when answers become hard to find in the face of challenges.
Hijacking the thread so you can bring your personal views on one particular topic and using subterfuge to trap another poster into a corner in order to extricate by coercion the answer you want, is unfriendly, off topic, and selfish. Have a look around the debate thread, search"Trinity" or similar, and have fun.

First of all I didn't hijack the thread... if you paid attention to what was being said it is an example... the whole thing always boils down to the trinity, it doesn't matter what topic is stated... a Trinitarian will take everything as an attack on them... So when I give you an answer to your question, and someone comes at me over the answer, I am hijacking the thread????

This is interesting to say the least...

We don't get to pick and choose where we face the lies of the devil, when the devil speaks up you defend the truth...

So in the end, there is no hijacking of the thread going on here, at least not by me any way...

 

[Lizbeth]

They are not dead!

Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live,

and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

My asking them for their prayers is no different than asking you for yours!

Pax et Bonum

They are dead to us aren't they, and when God forbids communicating with the dead, He isn't just talking about dead unbelievers. But it would just be a repetition and going around in circles to address this again.

Strongly suggest you and anyone do an honest comparison of Jesus in the gospels and the early church with the "church" you are part of. They bear no resemblance to one another whatsoever. Protestant churches need to clean house as well. We all need to have our minds renewed concerning the simplicity of Christ and get back to that. "Come out of her my people." Jesus didn't come to invent a religion but to show us a Way of life. The Way. His Way. His vision for the church, not what man likes to make it.

 

[Philip James]

Strongly suggest you and anyone do an honest comparison of Jesus in the gospels and the early church with the "church" you are part of.

If you do an honest comparison, you'll find the orthodox/catholic faith, that you find in all the 2000 year old apostolic communities..

Ignatius of Antioch

~The Didache~

They are dead to us aren't they

No they are not.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText


Pax et Bonum

 

[BarneyFife]

did you actually read my very first reply to this thread???

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Okay, so you posted before; it doesn't have a thing to do with what we're discussing now.
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I think you need to go back to that one before dipping to one that was in a different conversation....

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I really don't think I (or anyone else, for that matter) need to be dictated to by you as to what I need to do or not do. You might want to make a note of that.
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@BarneyFife my very first response for this Thread...

Coming from experience from this site... they do not even follow scripture at all....

The second you call them out for their lies and deceit, they automatically make the claim that it is a " Character Attack".... lol....

The ones who cannot answer questions are the ones who get angry and offended because they are backed into a corner....

They cannot handle the truth because it offends them and they will go after each and every person who stands for the truth...

They will never answer direct questions without lying or making Jesus and God Himself out to be a liar with their answers...

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"They," "They, "They," "They."

You seem to be very unhappy with the people on this site, in general.

Your "very first reply to this thread" and a quick search through your recent posts reveal that you're very antagonistic toward those who don't hold your particular beliefs.

Search Results | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

It seems that everyone but you believes that God is a liar because they don't read the entire Bible through your John 6:38-colored glasses.

And this simply is not a thread about Trinitarian doctrine, no matter how badly you want it to be, nor how successful you might be in turning it into one.

We've had non-trinitarians here for some time, in relatively peaceable terms, but the rash of troll-like anti-trinitarians we're seeing flood the site recently is becoming quite troublesome (although, to be fair, I'm not that crazy about the aggressive behavior of some Trinitarians, either).

I don't know who all you've been able to intimidate so far with your condescending tone and ill, matter-of-fact manners, but rest assured, you'll have no luck with me (You can catch more flies...).
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[True Faith]

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Okay, so you posted before; it doesn't have a thing to do with what we're discussing now.
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I really don't think I (or anyone else, for that matter) need to be dictated to by you as to what I need to do or not do. You might want to make a note of that.
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"They," "They, "They," "They."

You seem to be very unhappy with the people on this site, in general.

Your "very first reply to this thread" and a quick search through your recent posts reveal that you're very antagonistic toward those who don't hold your particular beliefs.

Search Results | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

It seems that everyone but you believes that God is a liar because they don't read the entire Bible through your John 6:38-colored glasses.

And this simply is not a thread about Trinitarian doctrine, no matter how badly you want it to be, nor how successful you might be in turning it into one.

We've had non-trinitarians here for some time, in relatively peaceable terms, but the rash of troll-like anti-trinitarians we're seeing flood the site recently is becoming quite troublesome (although, to be fair, I'm not that crazy about the aggressive behavior of some Trinitarians, either).

I don't know who all you've been able to intimidate so far with your condescending tone and ill, matter-of-fact manners, but rest assured, you'll have no luck with me (You can catch more flies...).
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This is very interesting.... just waiting for the alert to come in now...lol

 

[BarneyFife]

This is very interesting.... just waiting for the alert to come in now...lol

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Yeah, it's all very funny...
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[BarneyFife]

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And "interesting," of course
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[True Faith]

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Okay, so you posted before; it doesn't have a thing to do with what we're discussing now.
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I really don't think I (or anyone else, for that matter) need to be dictated to by you as to what I need to do or not do. You might want to make a note of that.
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"They," "They, "They," "They."

You seem to be very unhappy with the people on this site, in general.

Your "very first reply to this thread" and a quick search through your recent posts reveal that you're very antagonistic toward those who don't hold your particular beliefs.

Search Results | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

It seems that everyone but you believes that God is a liar because they don't read the entire Bible through your John 6:38-colored glasses.

And this simply is not a thread about Trinitarian doctrine, no matter how badly you want it to be, nor how successful you might be in turning it into one.

We've had non-trinitarians here for some time, in relatively peaceable terms, but the rash of troll-like anti-trinitarians we're seeing flood the site recently is becoming quite troublesome (although, to be fair, I'm not that crazy about the aggressive behavior of some Trinitarians, either).

I don't know who all you've been able to intimidate so far with your condescending tone and ill, matter-of-fact manners, but rest assured, you'll have no luck with me (You can catch more flies...).
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People get so offended... I wonder why... Maybe it is because they do not like the truth... I mean if Trinitarians can simply just speak the truth and admit the lies of their doctrine then we would not be having this conversation...

I am so sorry that people place their pride and vanity before God himself, as is evident in the majority of the attacks upon me... It doesn't bother me one bit.. I actually sit back and laugh when it happens...

The Point is this... If a person cannot face the truth then what are they doing telling a lie????

 

[BarneyFife]

If a person cannot face the truth then what are they doing telling a lie????

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You might as well ask:

"If a person's getting overheated, why would they go for a swim?"
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[True Faith]

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You might as well ask:

"If a person's getting overheated, why would they go for a swim?"
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that is not even the same context...