Does Anyone Here Believe in The Trinity?
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BeyondET
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He was offering salvation for those who believed in Him. Some jewish people clearly wasn't having anything to do with it, similar to today some still dont.
Cristo Rei
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Aunty Jane
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LOL...a truly valuable research tool....
if you want someone's opinion. Is that what we need? Or do we need sound scriptural knowledge about what Jesus actually said as opposed to what you want him to have said...?It always makes me smile when I see all these quotes with Jesus saying "I am". None of those occasions was Jesus telling the world that he was God.
In Greek there are no capital or lower case letters so translators can put in capitals wherever they like, just like punctuation which can change the whole meaning of a sentence or statement.
Check out how many translations use capitals and how many do not.
John 8:58 - Bible Gateway
Now count how many incorrectly translate "eimi" as "I am"....when he was asked about a situation in the past and gives an answer in the present....it is grammatically incorrect in English. If he had said "I am God" now that would have been something entirely different....but he didn't.
Have you ever read Exodus 3:13-15 in the Jewish Tanakh? Surely the Jews know how to translate their own scripture?
"And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:"
What do you see as the translation of verse 14?....."God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"
Was God's name a statement of his existence? (I AM) Didn't the Israelites know what God's name was? He had been the God of their forefathers, so God wasn't telling them that 'he is' (exists) because they saw him in action in Egypt...the ten plagues, and after their release, the pillars of fire and smoke that guided them through the wilderness.
God's name was a statement of what he intended to "be" to his chosen nation.
What was his name that carried this meaning?......"יְהֹוָ֞ה"....Yahweh....(Jehovah in English).
What was to be God's name forever? Jesus? NO! Yahweh....Yahweh is not Jesus and not one single scripture says he was.
There is no connection between Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 except in the minds of those who have been indoctrinated with this teaching.
If you look up John 8:58 in Strongs Concordance you will see that "eimi" has more than one meaning.
"εἰμί eimí, i-mee'; the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):—am, have been, × it is I, was".
Reading it in context you will see that Jesus was responding to a question that the Jews had put to him....
"Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see My day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (NASB)
To interpret that statement as Jesus admitting to being God, is to fail to understand what he was responding to....a question about his age.
He was telling those Jews that he existed before Abraham was even born.
So according to Strongs, Jesus' statement could just as correctly be rendered ..."before Abraham was born I was"...or "I have been".
There is no "I AM".
You guys will cling to any suggestion that supports your trinity.....but you do not seem to do any research to see if what you believe is even true.
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Johann
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Johann
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LOL...a truly valuable research tool....
It always makes me smile when I see all these quotes with Jesus saying "I am". None of those occasions was Jesus telling the world that he was God.
In Greek there are no capital or lower case letters so translators can put in capitals wherever they like, just like punctuation which can change the whole meaning of a sentence or statement.
Check out how many translations use capitals and how many do not.
John 8:58 - Bible Gateway
Now count how many incorrectly translate "eimi" as "I am"....when he was asked about a situation in the past and gives an answer in the present....it is grammatically incorrect in English. If he had said "I am God" now that would have been something entirely different....but he didn't.
Have you ever read Exodus 3:13-15 in the Jewish Tanakh? Surely the Jews know how to translate their own scripture?
"And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:"
What do you see as the translation of verse 14?....."God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"
Was God's name a statement of his existence? (I AM) Didn't the Israelites know what God's name was? He had been the God of their forefathers, so God wasn't telling them that 'he is' (exists) because they saw him in action in Egypt...the ten plagues, and after their release, the pillars of fire and smoke that guided them through the wilderness.
God's name was a statement of what he intended to "be" to his chosen nation.
What was his name that carried this meaning?......"יְהֹוָ֞ה"....Yahweh....(Jehovah in English).
What was to be God's name forever? Jesus? NO! Yahweh....Yahweh is not Jesus and not one single scripture says he was.
There is no connection between Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 except in the minds of those who have been indoctrinated with this teaching.
If you look up John 8:58 in Strongs Concordance you will see that "eimi" has more than one meaning.
"εἰμί eimí, i-mee'; the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):—am, have been, × it is I, was".
Reading it in context you will see that Jesus was responding to a question that the Jews had put to him....
"Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see My day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (NASB)
To interpret that statement as Jesus admitting to being God, is to fail to understand what he was responding to....a question about his age.
He was telling those Jews that he existed before Abraham was even born.
So according to Strongs, Jesus' statement could just as correctly be rendered ..."before Abraham was born I was"...or "I have been".
There is no "I AM".
You guys will cling to any suggestion that supports your trinity.....but you do not seem to do any research to see if what you believe is even true.
Johann
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And where are you doing your researches? What sources are you using?LOL...a truly valuable research tool....
It always makes me smile when I see all these quotes with Jesus saying "I am". None of those occasions was Jesus telling the world that he was God.
In Greek there are no capital or lower case letters so translators can put in capitals wherever they like, just like punctuation which can change the whole meaning of a sentence or statement.
Check out how many translations use capitals and how many do not.
John 8:58 - Bible Gateway
Now count how many incorrectly translate "eimi" as "I am"....when he was asked about a situation in the past and gives an answer in the present....it is grammatically incorrect in English. If he had said "I am God" now that would have been something entirely different....but he didn't.
Have you ever read Exodus 3:13-15 in the Jewish Tanakh? Surely the Jews know how to translate their own scripture?
"And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:"
What do you see as the translation of verse 14?....."God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"
Was God's name a statement of his existence? (I AM) Didn't the Israelites know what God's name was? He had been the God of their forefathers, so God wasn't telling them that 'he is' (exists) because they saw him in action in Egypt...the ten plagues, and after their release, the pillars of fire and smoke that guided them through the wilderness.
God's name was a statement of what he intended to "be" to his chosen nation.
What was his name that carried this meaning?......"יְהֹוָ֞ה"....Yahweh....(Jehovah in English).
What was to be God's name forever? Jesus? NO! Yahweh....Yahweh is not Jesus and not one single scripture says he was.
There is no connection between Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 except in the minds of those who have been indoctrinated with this teaching.
If you look up John 8:58 in Strongs Concordance you will see that "eimi" has more than one meaning.
"εἰμί eimí, i-mee'; the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):—am, have been, × it is I, was".
Reading it in context you will see that Jesus was responding to a question that the Jews had put to him....
"Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see My day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (NASB)
To interpret that statement as Jesus admitting to being God, is to fail to understand what he was responding to....a question about his age.
He was telling those Jews that he existed before Abraham was even born.
So according to Strongs, Jesus' statement could just as correctly be rendered ..."before Abraham was born I was"...or "I have been".
There is no "I AM". Would you say our HaBrit HaChadasha is a copy and paste TO the Tanack and that our Bible is fallible?
γενεσθαι
G1096
V-2ADN
γίνομαι
to cause to be
Part of Speech: Verb
Tense: second Aorist
Voice: middle Deponent
Mood: iNfinitive
ειμι
G1510
V-PXI-1S
Part of Speech: Verb
Tense: Present
Voice: no voice stated
Mood: Indicative
Person: first
Number: Singular
εἰμί
I exist
"There has always been one that seeks and judges" (a.t.); Joh_8:58, egṓeimí (egō [G1473], I; eimí [G1510], am), "I am," meaning I have always been; Mar_12:32, heís estí (heís [G1520], one; estí, there is), "the one there is" (a.t.), meaning there has always been the one and there is no other, or there has never been another beside Him (Christ). See Act_19:2; Heb_11:6. Of things as in Joh_17:5, "before the world came into existence [eínai {G1511}, the pres. inf.]" (a.t.); 2Pe_3:5, ḗsan ékpalai (G1597), "were [have been] of old,"
You seem to be the only member here who know/epignosis all the answers, and denying the deity of Christ.
I don't mind you reading the Tanack online, by the way, Tovia Singer would not recommend the JPS and various online "Torah's" but would "recommend" the Chumash..anyways...if your foundation is built on sinking sand..
As for our Lord and great God Christ Jesus, do you worship Him? Or do you need a rabbi to show you the derech?
Everything you "believe" to be true leans toward the teachings of Orthodox Judaism.
You guys will cling to any suggestion that supports your trinity.....but you do not seem to do any research to see if what you believe is even true. And where are you doing your researches? What sources are you using?
Many here don't believe Christ Jesus is God brother
dhh712
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There are quite a few heretics on this forum. I have made it my own policy to ignore their posts (not officially, but I do not respond to anything they post or should they reply to my own posts). While there are those who deny the creeds which comprise the beliefs of the Apostolic Church, there are still quite a few of us here who do adhere to it. Personally I would not get discouraged but rather only engage in fellowship with your brothers and sisters who confirm the Nicene Creed; I've found that many of these heretics are quite vociferous and virulent in maintaining their unorthodox positions, but such can be expected in all things which Satan is behind.
(And, as I see you've stated previously, I try to always point out that there certainly are heretics in heaven; I feel these people are sincere in their beliefs, but Satan has poisoned their minds and they are just woefully unscriptural. Yet, it is not doctrine that saves but the Almighty GOD Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God whom they will behold with their own eyes upon death and then realize that denying he was God was a terribly blind and false position).
Oh, brother, I'm sure you've found out by now that they ignore all these verses. They'll only focus on the ones that point out Jesus' humanity. I trust in time you'll find providing Biblical evidence is pointless.
Johann
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...because the missed the first coming of Messiah, actually two, messiah ben David, and messiah ben Yoseph
Everyone knows Jesus and the apostles recited the Nicene Creed religiously, don’t they?
Foolish heretics.
Foolish heretics.
Yes they ignore scripture except the ones they provide but no one comments on Revelation 1:17 and 18. They have no answer for it.
Why did the Pharisees want to stone him for this statement?LOL...a truly valuable research tool....
It always makes me smile when I see all these quotes with Jesus saying "I am". None of those occasions was Jesus telling the world that he was God.
In Greek there are no capital or lower case letters so translators can put in capitals wherever they like, just like punctuation which can change the whole meaning of a sentence or statement.
Check out how many translations use capitals and how many do not.
John 8:58 - Bible Gateway
Now count how many incorrectly translate "eimi" as "I am"....when he was asked about a situation in the past and gives an answer in the present....it is grammatically incorrect in English. If he had said "I am God" now that would have been something entirely different....but he didn't.
Have you ever read Exodus 3:13-15 in the Jewish Tanakh? Surely the Jews know how to translate their own scripture?
"And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:"
What do you see as the translation of verse 14?....."God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"
Was God's name a statement of his existence? (I AM) Didn't the Israelites know what God's name was? He had been the God of their forefathers, so God wasn't telling them that 'he is' (exists) because they saw him in action in Egypt...the ten plagues, and after their release, the pillars of fire and smoke that guided them through the wilderness.
God's name was a statement of what he intended to "be" to his chosen nation.
What was his name that carried this meaning?......"יְהֹוָ֞ה"....Yahweh....(Jehovah in English).
What was to be God's name forever? Jesus? NO! Yahweh....Yahweh is not Jesus and not one single scripture says he was.
There is no connection between Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 except in the minds of those who have been indoctrinated with this teaching.
If you look up John 8:58 in Strongs Concordance you will see that "eimi" has more than one meaning.
"εἰμί eimí, i-mee'; the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):—am, have been, × it is I, was".
Reading it in context you will see that Jesus was responding to a question that the Jews had put to him....
"Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see My day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (NASB)
To interpret that statement as Jesus admitting to being God, is to fail to understand what he was responding to....a question about his age.
He was telling those Jews that he existed before Abraham was even born.
So according to Strongs, Jesus' statement could just as correctly be rendered ..."before Abraham was born I was"...or "I have been".
There is no "I AM".
You guys will cling to any suggestion that supports your trinity.....but you do not seem to do any research to see if what you believe is even true.
Johann
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it's not that they don't have an answer for it, they are still blinded brother.
Revelation 1:17 The sight of the Judge prostrated John at His feet as if dead, but the Lord revived him by revealing Himself as the First and the Last, a title of YHVH Isaiah 44:6; Isaiah 48:12.
1:18 The Judge is the Living One who was
dead but is now alive forevermore. He has the keys of Hades and of Death, having control over both and uniquely able to raise the dead.
Isaiah 44:6
6So said the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of Hosts, "I am first and I am last, and besides Me there is no God. וכֹּֽה־אָמַ֨ר יְהֹוָ֧ה מֶֽלֶךְ־יִשְׂרָאֵ֛ל וְגֹֽאֲל֖וֹ יְהֹוָ֣ה צְבָא֑וֹת אֲנִ֚י רִאשׁוֹן֙ וַֽאֲנִ֣י אַֽחֲר֔וֹן וּמִבַּלְעָדַ֖י אֵ֥ין אֱלֹהִֽים
va·'a·Ni ri·shOn a·cha·Ron...the above verse is cited by rabbis-"and besides Me there is no god", this INCLUDES Yeshua, according to them, but the more they deny the Deity of Christ, as God, as some here are doing, the more I am convinced of the veracity of our "copy and paste" scriptures to their Tanack, according to them, in the shmo of...on the shmo of....
John_8:58. Isaiah 41:4 Isaiah 48:12 Revelation 1:8 Revelation 1:11
Revelation 1:17 Revelation 1:18 Revelation 2:8 Revelation 22:13
Hebrews 13:8 Ephesians 2:12 1John 5:20
12Hearken to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, who was called by Me, I am He, I am first, yea I am last. יבשְׁמַ֚ע אֵלַי֙ יַֽעֲקֹ֔ב וְיִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מְקֹֽרָאִ֑י אֲנִי־הוּא֙ אֲנִ֣י רִאשׁ֔וֹן אַ֖ף אֲנִ֥י אַֽחֲרֽוֹן:
What did Yeshua do?
John 1:11 He came to His own[Israel], and His own[Israel] did not receive Him.
Ronald David Bruno
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Out of 2.65 billion Christians, 97% of them are Trinitarian. Since it is a fundamental belief, if it were wrong, wouldn 't you think that the Holy Spirit, our Teacher and Guide to all Truth, would have corrected it?
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Excellent point! I notice it is also a closed issue in the statement of faith of this forum.
Some scts or cult do not believe in the deity of Jesus and there are quite a few of those on here but true Christians believe Jesus is God incarnate - Immanuel - God with us.
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