Born Again = Not a Sinner

[amigo de christo]

Peter said that Paul's letters, (Epistles) are SCRIPTURE = to the TORAH.

And He said that, when he had Paul's letters in his hand.

So, that was Peter saying that Paul's Letters, at that time, are HOLY BIBLE.

And he was right, as Paul's letters became THE Doctrine for the Church and also created most of the New Testament, not including the Gospels or the Revelation.

He was implying that what pual wrote was indeed DOCTRINE for the CHURCH .
Just as he had also said what he did about THE TORAH , the writings in the bible , ITS ALL GOOD for DOCTRINE
and CORRECTION TOO , and INSTRUCTION IN what .............RIGTHEOUSNESS
that the man of GOD may be throughly furnished unto all good works . BUT yall call it legalsim to even mention
that truth . Rather odd paul even said the law can be used to CORRECT . NOT to SAVE ONESELF
but to CORRECT bad behavoir . SO why its that legalism . JUSTIFYING oneself by the law , YEAH that is legalism .
BUT correcting sin and error and warning folks , AINT LEGALISM . PEROID .

 

[Behold]

And:

“A merry heart doeth good like a medicine…” (Proverbs 17:22)

Thats not a doctrine.
You said this verse was profitable for doctrine.

What will you say next that is not related to truth, or the bible?

A) Nearly everything.

You are the classic...."i can post verses so, that proves it".


Ok then, help yourself.

 

[Behold]

Its just good advice my friend .

But its not doctrine, and he said it was.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Thats not a doctrine.

Doctrine = teaching.

Paul taught that a little wine is good for our stomach and often ailments.

 

[Behold]

The body is dead because of sin.
The mind is not born again.

What is left?

Your Spirit. So, this when born again, becomes the Son/Daughter of God, that exists in Spiritual Union with God, and there is no sin found there.

This is why this verse explains who the born again have become..

"As Jesus IS......so are the born again....IN THIS WORLD"..

See that?
There is no sin found there., as there is no sin found where Jesus Exists, and the born again exist, " IN CHRIST".

 

[Behold]

Doctrine = teaching.

Paul taught that a little wine is good for our stomach and often ailments.

No, Doctrine is the rules regarding the situation.

So, within Christianity, you have The Kingdom of God, and there are RULES that exist there, that are not related to Moses or Self Effort.

Im teaching This, but im not Doctrine.
Im teaching Doctrine, that is regarding being born again, having been Translated from Darkness ...TO LIGHT.

 

[Behold]

The born again have become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".

God has moved in, and Christ lives in the born again.

There is no sin found where they have become Joined to the believer.
This is : the born again Spirit.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So, this when born again, becomes the Son/Daughter of God, that exists in Spiritual Union with God, and there is no sin found there.

Sin is not found in the believer as long as he is in obedience to righteousness:

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Doctrine = teaching.

No, Doctrine is the rules regarding the situation.

DOCTRINE, n. [L., to teach.]

1. In a general sense, whatever is taught.

 

[Taken]

“But as many as received him, to them he gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:12-13)

Yikes, your understanding is Disturbing!
Having KNOWLEDGE OF GOD...
IS NOT...
the Same thing as RECEIVING HIM.

You would Do a great disservice teaching that to a child.
AS IF...
Hey let me TELL YOU ABOUT GOD....
And POOF, because you have Been TOLD KNOWLEDGE ABOUT GOD...
YOU HAVE RECEIVED “HIM” ... uh, BEEN Baptism of the Holy Spirit!

THAT ^ is very weird.

“Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.” (1 Corinthians 15:34)

Uh huh, shame on grown men who have not KNOWLEDGE OF God...

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Yikes, your understanding is Disturbing!
Having KNOWLEDGE OF GOD...
IS NOT...
the Same thing as RECEIVING HIM

But believers have received knowledge of the truth and have received Him and are SANCTIFIED by the blood.

Therefore:

“…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:26-29)

So don’t willfully sin sir.

 

[Taken]

The born again have become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".

God has moved in, and Christ lives in the born again.

There is no sin found where they have become Joined to the believer.
This is : the born again Spirit.

Are you discovering the frustration of open media forums...?
Adults, still suckling, 2 ears muffled, 1 mouth buzzing, thinking themselves prepared to teach.

 

[robert derrick]

You talk about not boasting of sinning in the future. Does that mean you are not sinning now, and you won't be again, but you just don't boast about it?

Good question, thanks. I personally am not sinning with a work of the flesh now, as no Christian ought to be. However, we are warned against being high-minded and forsaking the fear of the Lord by righteous boasting.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

And so, John warns us not to think we are above temptation, as though we no more have any sin on earth that can tempt us, so that the devil doesn't even bother to anymore. Such highmindedness would boast that we will not sin in the future.

Being that perfected in the mind and body will only be in the resurrection from the dead.

We have available to us all the divine power and grace of Christ that we need, to not be sinning and to continue without sinning, but because we are still in this mortal flesh, then we must always stay on guard against temptation from the devil.

I am not sinning now today, and I can continue in Jesus' righteousness tomorrow, but I don't take thought for it, nor boast of it, as though I have already arrived in the first resurrection of the blessed saints:

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before.

 

[Taken]

But believers have received knowledge of the truth and have received Him and are SANCTIFIED by the blood.

That ^^ would apply to the Converted.

Therefore:

No....Therefore DOES NOT APPLY TO THE CONVERTED!

“…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth,

Okay so you received KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH.....
What is the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?
The KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH IS....Jesus IS THE CHRIST the Son of the Living God.
Okay, YOU HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE.
NOW, WHAT IS WILFULL SIN?
WILFULL SIN is to THEN ... reject, deny, BELIEF, Jesus IS THE CHRIST the Son of the Living God.
WHAT is an ABOMINATIONAL SIN? THEN ... teaching, preaching, trying to convince others .... that Jesus IS NOT the Christ the Son of the Living God...

there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Correct. IF you have received THE KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.....
AND, you reject THAT TRUTH....UH OH...there IS NOTHING else you can Believe...that will ALLOW YOU TO BE FORGIVEN or Saved...you are NOW an Adversary of Christ Jesus!

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:26-29)

Yep, OT men who despised Moses’ law DIED WITHOUT mercy...
Hummm...Dissing the Son of Man who Shed His blood, and Dissing Christ the Lord Savior....Despite WHAT the Spirit of Grace Has DONE....
Ya think ... that man will receive mercy and forgiveness and salvation?
UH no!

So don’t willfully sin sir.

HOW CAN An Already Forgiven CONVERTED MAN, WHO already GAVE his body unto death, Already received salvation, Already received a quickened spirit, Already received the Baptism of the HS, Already received Gods Spirit IN him, IS a new creature.
Willfully Sin? He CAN”T!

Why do you think it an Appropriate Warning to say to a Converted person...
Do not willfully sin?

Do you ever visit a loved ones Grave, maybe tidy it up, place some flowers, and SAY TO THEM....DO NOT WILLFULLY SIN?

 

[robert derrick]

Salvation isn't something that only changes God's opinion of the sin I continue to live in, it changes me entirely from the inside out.

That is a great point. And this is exactly what OSAS teaches. They still do the same things of the world, but God doesn't count them as the same as world anymore.

Some Christians teach 'Identification Christianity', where they still sin like others, but they must learn to 'identify' with Christ, and witnessing is willingness to 'identify' Christ to others, while sinning with them.

The particular brand of identity Christianity, that you are dealing with here on this thread, are those who identify with Christ 'doctrinally', so as not being counted as sinners, while still doing the sinful works of the flesh.

The former still admit they are sinning sinners, and the latter don't have to, because they have doctrinally changed the unrighteous works of the flesh from being identified as sin by God anymore.

They identify with and claim the doctrinal truth of the blessedness of the righteous, that aren't sinning with the world, while still doing the world's works of the flesh.

 

[Behold]

Sin is not found in the believer as long as he is in obedience to righteousness:
(Romans 6:16)

Sin is not found in the Born again Spirit, that is the "new Creation in Christ", because the born again Spirit, exist's "in Christ', "made Righteous", having become "the Righteousness of God, in Christ'.

So, when the born again Spirit has BECOME "made righteous" by God, there is no sin issue any longer.

What is left?

Not understanding what i just showed you, and until you can LISTEN you will stay in the dark, Michian-Ilma.

That's how it is.
And that's on you.

So, what you need to do is ask me questions that are related to what it means to exist in the KOG., vs, just arguing redundantly, because your flesh needs it.

 

[robert derrick]

But believers have received knowledge of the truth and have received Him and are SANCTIFIED by the blood.

Therefore:

“…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:26-29)

So don’t willfully sin sir.

Ask Behold!, if this means he has no sin issue anymore, because he is not doing the unrighteous works of the flesh anymore.

I make one prophecy: there will be no answer, or he will say his unrighteous works of the flesh are not counted as sin anymore.

So, when the born again Spirit has BECOME "made righteous" by God, there is no sin issue any longer.

 

[Behold]

Ask Behold!, if this means he has no sin issue anymore, because he is not doing the unrighteous works of the flesh anymore.

I make one prophecy: there will be no answer, or he will say his unrighteous works of the flesh are not counted as sin anymore.

If you are a prophet, then blue pigs can fly, Robert.

So, here is what Paul says about a perfected Discipleship..

"Christ, ALWAYS gives me the VICTORY".... over the flesh, the world and the devil.

What is that Victory?
Its to live above what you are talking about, and not to exist in it or as it.

See, religious people, and the deceived Christians were told, were led to believe, or just decided.....that Its not possible to live holy.

Remedy they were taught ??? = Sin a little then confess it all away.

See that lie?
Millions of believers bought that lie and OWN IT.

This problem with that concept is that God is able to live through You, His Holiness, but YOU, and any other person, or believer.....can not live God's holiness by trying to do it.

Why?
because when you try to do what God can only do through you, then you exit here, ...."apart from me you can do NOTHING"... Jesus said.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

HOW CAN An Already Forgiven CONVERTED MAN

WHO already GAVE his body unto death

Already received salvation, Already received a quickened spirit, Already received the Baptism of the HS

Already received Gods Spirit IN him, IS a new creature.
Willfully Sin?

It doesn’t matter if you can’t comprehend it, but the fact remains O proud one:

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

WE = BORN AGAIN (like the inspired writer).

He CAN”T!

HE CAN!

 

[Behold]

WE = BORN AGAIN (like the inspired writer).

1.) Those Hebrews are not saved.

2.) Paul would not be preaching the Gospel to the born again, as they have already believed it.

Paul understands this, but apparently you never will, Michiah-Imla.


Also, a Minister often uses "WE"< when he is talking to a GROUP.
He does not mean himself, every time, as often he means THEM.