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Who said? I can show you example after example where God declared Israel "no more" His people, but showed mercy after they repented. But, we're supposed to believe Catholicism is immune to the same punishment? I assure you, Catholicism dragged Christ's church off the deep end and is no more God's "end time" church than the one "Stephen Christ" founded in his prison cell.
There's a list of commandments God wrote Himself (because He didn't even trust Moses to write them) and they number in a denomination of ten......the "TEN COMMANDMENTS".

show me these tablets with a list of numbers on them?
There is nothing in scripture that says the first commandment ends here and the second begins!

Christ is the founder of the church! Matt 16:18 and he cannot make mistakes or errors, true we are sinners but we are not the church only members and serious sin separates us from God, the church is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic! Holy mother church! The bride of Christ prepared out of heaven spotless by God who cannot err!
 

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I didn't read any of this. What I want is to be disproven concerning the following:

Christ's end time church will be IDENTICAL to the one He founded in the beginning, and keep the same "commandments of God" which He kept and taught in the beginning, according to Revelation 12:17 KJV.

Catholicism, by their own admission, claims to have CHANGED God's commandments and teaches Catholics to adhere to those changes, thereby disqualifying the entire organization as the "remnant church" of Jesus Christ.

Now, while I appreciate the ECFs, their testimony here is IRRELEVANT. The only question is this: Does Catholicism keep and teach others to keep the same commandments Jesus taught His church to keep? The simple answer is "NO".

be specific
What commandments?
 

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I would agree that our carnal thinking perceives our part as contributing to salvation, but our perception is limited and disagrees with multiple passages of scripture.
For example, the Apostle Paul expresses this dichotomy of perception in the epistle Philippians

"So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to desire and to work for His good pleasure."
Philippians 2:12-13

The passage is written as a logical contradiction, but addresses our perception that we are "working out our own salvation", while it is an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God working within us both to have the will or desire and the power to do so.

Do you believe that the human will is stronger than God's?
Or, do you believe that God's will is frustrated by our wicked, selfish, rebellious hearts?
That's not the God I serve.

Job 42
Paul is talking about the fact that we can’t “BUT” our way into Heaven simply by our good works.
Works without faith are as DEAD as faith without works (James 2:4-26).

If YOU believe that God’s will cannot be foiled by OUR free will – they YOU don’t worship the God of the Bible.
- God willed that man live in perfect harmony on earth and live forever.
Man CHOSE to sin and he fell (Gen. 3:1-24).

- Jesus (God) willed that His Church remain ONE in everything – as He and His Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).
Today, there are tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that ALL teach different doctrine – based on the personal interpretation of each one’s founder.

- God WILLS the salvation of ALL people (1 Tim. 2:4).
Will ALL be saved? NO, because of our free will.

- Jesus (God) lamented over Jerusalem:
Matt. 23:37
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I HAVE LONGED to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE NOT WILLING.
 

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Paul is talking about the fact that we can’t “BUT” our way into Heaven simply by our good works.
Works without faith are as DEAD as faith without works (James 2:4-26).

If YOU believe that God’s will cannot be foiled by OUR free will – they YOU don’t worship the God of the Bible.
- God willed that man live in perfect harmony on earth and live forever.
Man CHOSE to sin and he fell (Gen. 3:1-24).

- Jesus (God) willed that His Church remain ONE in everything – as He and His Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).
Today, there are tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that ALL teach different doctrine – based on the personal interpretation of each one’s founder.

- God WILLS the salvation of ALL people (1 Tim. 2:4).
Will ALL be saved? NO, because of our free will.

- Jesus (God) lamented over Jerusalem:
Matt. 23:37
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I HAVE LONGED to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE NOT WILLING.
That's quite a bit of unbiblical assertion regarding God's will.
I don't add to scripture, but am taught it's meaning by God.
So, you think that the fall was outside God's will? Oops, that Adam took me by surprise, I guess I'll have to go down and die on a cross to redeem his race.

Sorry, BOL, that's very Roman Catholic of you.
Believe the Lord Jesus Christ, enter into covenant with Him through the propitiation made once for all time, and ask for His Spirit. He'll free your mind from bondage and teach you the truth. There is no other way.
 

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Basic differences between Protestant and R. Catholic doctrine include the finished nature of the work of Christ at the Cross; the final authority of the Word of God and the uniqueness of Christ's Person and work: these all have historically been stressed by Protestants.
 

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Basic differences between Protestant and R. Catholic doctrine include the finished nature of the work of Christ at the Cross; the final authority of the Word of God and the uniqueness of Christ's Person and work: these all have historically been stressed by Protestants.
There is a stark difference in the original doctrine . Yet today
its getting harder andharder to discern any difference between the TWO . THEY busy ALL BUSY sucking down the all inclusive KOOL AIDE
but heck so are the false religoins as well as the jews . This monster all inclusive lie has taken the hearts of the peoples far from GOD
and far FROM CHRIST . and that is A FACT .
 

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There is a stark difference in the original doctrine . Yet today
its getting harder andharder to discern any difference between the TWO . THEY busy ALL BUSY sucking down the all inclusive KOOL AIDE
but heck so are the false religoins as well as the jews . This monster all inclusive lie has taken the hearts of the peoples far from GOD
and far FROM CHRIST . and that is A FACT .
Getting back to the Scriptures is always healthy: Psalm 119.105; John 17.17...
 
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That's quite a bit of unbiblical assertion regarding God's will.

I don't add to scripture, but am taught it's meaning by God.

So, you think that the fall was outside God's will? Oops, that Adam took me by surprise, I guess I'll have to go down and die on a cross to redeem his race.

Sorry, BOL, that's very Roman Catholic of you.

Believe the Lord Jesus Christ, enter into covenant with Him through the propitiation made once for all time, and ask for His Spirit. He'll free your mind from bondage and teach you the truth. There is no other way.
“UNBIBLICAL”??

Even if you disagree with that ONE example - you completely IGNORED the other BIBLICAL examples I gave you - John 17:20-23, 1 Tim. 2:4, Matt. 23:37-38.
Gee – I WONGER why that is . . .

Care to address any of those??
 

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The all inclusive love has taken the churches so far from CHRIST , SO very far from GOD
they have no idea what they have lost , let alone they are LOST .
Any love that overlooks sins IS NOT LOVE
any love that allows folks to remain in another religoin , AINT LOVE .
This love they speak of cometh not of GOD , but is of the world , its sensual and it leads and leadeth all right to the dragon .
WHO both aurthored it and allures mankind through the flesh to believe it .
 
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Basic differences between Protestant and R. Catholic doctrine include the finished nature of the work of Christ at the Cross; the final authority of the Word of God and the uniqueness of Christ's Person and work: these all have historically been stressed by Protestants.
I’m not accusing you of lying – but you obviously don’t understand Catholic doctrine.

Not only is it a basic teaching of the Church that we are redeemd by the finished work of Jesus on the cross – it was the Catholic Church who taught this to the WORLD. One of the reasons that Protestants believe otherwise is the doctrine of Final Purification of the Elect or “Purgatory”. It is BECAUSE of what Jesus did on the cross that Final Purification is made available to us.

Rev. 21:27 states emphatically that NOTHING impure or imperfect can enter into Heaven.
To get around Final Purification, Luther posited that we “sneak” into Heaven as “snow-covered dunghills” that are simply covered by the righteousness of Christ.
The Church teaches what the BIBLE teaches – that we are MADE righteous – not simply “covered”.

The Church doesn’t teach that we can “work” our way into Heaven.
HOWEVER, we acknowledge what the Bible says – that only true faith is a faith that WORKS in love (Matt. 28:31-45, Gal. 5:6, 1 Cor. 13:1-13, James 2:14-24).
 

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The all inclusive love has taken the churches so far from CHRIST , SO very far from GOD
they have no idea what they have lost , let alone they are LOST .
Any love that overlooks sins IS NOT LOVE
any love that allows folks to remain in another religoin , AINT LOVE .
This love they speak of cometh not of GOD , but is of the world , its sensual and it leads and leadeth all right to the dragon .
WHO both aurthored it and allures mankind through the flesh to believe it .
Interesting that the great love of John 3.16 includes the purpose of 'should not perish'...
 
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“UNBIBLICAL”??

Even if you disagree with that ONE example - you completely IGNORED the other BIBLICAL examples I gave you - John 17:20-23, 1 Tim. 2:4, Matt. 23:37-38.
Gee – I WONGER why that is . . .

Care to address any of those??
Don't wonger too hard, you might hurt your head. Turn to the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and receive Him by faith. Join the saints and put away childish notions.

"When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love."
1 Corinthians 13:11-13
 

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Difference between Catholic and Protestant

1- Catholics pray to Jesus's mum and to "saints" even though Jesus said to pray to God.
2- They believe they'll be let out of hell after serving their time there.
3- They don't want women to be priests.
4- They think that admitting their sins in the confessional box will get them off the hook.
Have I missed anything out?..:)
 
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Basic differences between Protestant and R. Catholic doctrine include the finished nature of the work of Christ at the Cross; the final authority of the Word of God and the uniqueness of Christ's Person and work: these all have historically been stressed by Protestants.
What did Jesus mean by "It is finished"?

Protestants are fond of saying that Catholics reject "the finished work of Christ" since Catholics reject Salvation by Faith Alone. A popular text they appeal to is John 19:30, which mentions the final words of Jesus on the Cross, "It is finished!" By this, they suggest Christ did everything necessary for our salvation, that He paid everything, all that's left is for us to believe. To deny this, they say, is to deny the Gospel. While at first this might sound convincing, it's an unfortunate and serious distortion of a beautiful text.

The first thing I'd suggest people think about is that Jesus said "It is finished" before He actually died and before He Resurrected. If someone were to push this too far in the wrong way, it would end up saying the Resurrection and even the Death itself wasn't necessary. (Note: Calvinists technically deny the sufficiency of the Cross, they just don't realize it.) Given this, there needs to be a more careful approach to the text.

What many don't know is that there is actually a very good explanation to this text that can be discerned simply by examining the context:
John 19:28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.” 29 A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. 30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Notice that the focus of this event was not about Jesus paying the full penalty for sin, but rather about fulfilling an Old Testament prophecy. It was when Jesus received the sour wine (vinegar) that He spoke these words, fulfilling the set up from verse 28. In fact, the Greek word for "finished" only appears twice in John, in verse 19:28 and 19:30, under the same verbal form (tetelestai), strongly suggesting the two go together. And the context shows that a few other Old Testament prophecies were also going to be fulfilled (John 19:31-37). So it should really be understood as "It is fulfilled," or more traditionally, "It is Consummated."

The "fulfill" ("consummated") reading also makes better sense of the Greek term used (see how it's used in Luke 18:31 and Acts 13:29). In the 26 verses the word appears in, only twice is it used to refer to payment, and even in these two verse it only refers to paying taxes (Mt 17:24; Rom 13:6) and not some full payment. In virtually every other verse it's used, it means "fulfill" or "conclude". Given this, it is absolutely astonishing the way many Protestants will over-reach with this word to make it suggest a financial transaction of "payment in full" and completely ignore the Biblical evidence available.

This is not to suggest that the "It is Consummated" doesn't have a deeper significance than just saying "this one prophecy was fulfilled," but rather that Christ's death is to be understood as the Old Testament said it would happen. For example, Protestants love to point to Jesus on the Cross saying "My God, why have You abandoned me," and claim this verse proves the Father's wrath was poured out on Jesus. But any alert reader would know Jesus was intoning Psalm 22, which clearly is speaking of David/Jesus being persecuted by enemies and not being rescued (immediately) by God. This same kind of distortion is happening when Protestants quote "It is finished." In the case of "I thirst," the cross-reference given for this is Psalm 69:21, which is a Messianic Psalm talking about how David was persecuted and insulted by his fellow Jews and now how Jesus is persecuted and insulted by the Jews. Nothing to do with taking someone's punishment or the Father's wrath being dumped on them.

NICK'S CATHOLIC BLOG: What did Jesus mean by "It is finished"?
 

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Don't wonger too hard, you might hurt your head. Turn to the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and receive Him by faith. Join the saints and put away childish notions.

"When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love."
1 Corinthians 13:11-13
Why do you keep dodging the Biblical evidence against your false idea that God’s will make “obedient robots” out of us. He DOESN’T.

Since God WILLS the salvation of ALL people (1 Tim.. 2:4) – according to YOU, ALL people will be saved.
Will ALL people be saved?

When Jesus lamented over apostate Jerusalem – He said:
Matt. 23:37-38
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I HAVE LONGED to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE NOT WILLING.”

Did they thwart His will with their OWN will – or did they DO His will??

When Jesus (God) willed that His Church remain ONE in everything – as He and His Father are ONE (John 17:20-23). - -was His will carried out with tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that ALL teach different doctrine – based on the personal interpretation of each one’s founder??

Please address this Scriptural evidence.
 

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1- Catholics pray to Jesus's mum and to "saints" even though Jesus said to pray to God.
2- They believe they'll be let out of hell after serving their time there.
3- They don't want women to be priests.
4- They think that admitting their sins in the confessional box will get them off the hook.
Have I missed anything out?..
1. WHERE did Jesus tell us NOT to pray to the saints in Heaven to ASK them to pray FOR us?
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

“Pray simply means “To ASK” and does NOT necessarily mean “Worship”.
Rev. 5:8
shows the Elders in Heaven TAKING our prayers to God as bowls of incense.

2. Hell and Final Purification of the Elect (Purgatory) is NOT the same thing.
Final purification is a BIBLICAL process (2 Macc. 12:42-46, Matt. 5:25-26, Matt. 18:32-35, Luke 12:58-59, 1 Cor. 3:12-15). Hell is ETERNAL. (Isa. 33:11, 14, Mark 9:47–48, Matt. 25:31-34, 41, 46, Luke 3:16-1,7, 2 Thess. 1:6-9).

3. Jesus gave the leaders of His Church the power to forgive sins or hold them bound (John 20:21-23). He sealed this power by breathing out the Holy spirit on them.

Only TWO places in ALL of Scripture does God “breathe” on man:
The first time was when he breathed LIFE into Adam.
The second time was when He BREATHED the Holy Spirit on His Apostles, giving them this power.

Did I miss anything??
Do your homework instead of embarrassing yourself with this kind of ignorance . . .
 

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1. WHERE did Jesus tell us NOT to pray to the saints in Heaven to ASK them to pray FOR us?


That's easy..:)
When his disciples asked him how they should pray, he replied "Our Father which art in heaven..."
See, no mention of praying to his mum or to any other dead humans.
Be careful, the naughty step...
 

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Hell and Final Purification of the Elect (Purgatory) is NOT the same thing.
Final purification is a BIBLICAL process (2 Macc. 12:42-46, Matt. 5:25-26, Matt. 18:32-35, Luke 12:58-59, 1 Cor. 3:12-15). Hell is ETERNAL. (Isa. 33:11, 14, Mark 9:47–48, Matt. 25:31-34, 41, 46, Luke 3:16-1,7, 2 Thess. 1:6-9)..


Interpetations may differ but personally I think that if Stalin or Hitler or Saddam will be let out of hell, I'm Mary Poppins..:)
The 'Purgatory' nonsense is a satanic notion that believes hell has a swing door where naughty people will be let out after serving their time.
Fact is there's zero chance of escaping from hell and they'd have a much better chance of getting out of Shawshank..;)

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..Jesus gave the leaders of His Church the power to forgive sins or hold them bound (John 20:21-23). He sealed this power by breathing out the Holy spirit on them..


Jesus only gave the disciples the power to forgive, not any old Tom Dick or Harry..:)
 

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Why do you keep dodging the Biblical evidence against your false idea that God’s will make “obedient robots” out of us. He DOESN’T.

Since God WILLS the salvation of ALL people (1 Tim.. 2:4) – according to YOU, ALL people will be saved.
Will ALL people be saved?

When Jesus lamented over apostate Jerusalem – He said:
Matt. 23:37-38
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I HAVE LONGED to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE NOT WILLING.”

Did they thwart His will with their OWN will – or did they DO His will??

When Jesus (God) willed that His Church remain ONE in everything – as He and His Father are ONE (John 17:20-23). - -was His will carried out with tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that ALL teach different doctrine – based on the personal interpretation of each one’s founder??

Please address this Scriptural evidence.
You do know that the concept of spiritual life and " the old man" didn't exist in the Old Testament and there were no born again saints prior to the first Pentecost, right?
Jesus didn't preach to saints, but to Jews under the law, before the new covenant was instituted.

If you're unable to distinguish between covenants in your interpretation and consider context, there's absolutely no point in discussing scripture with you.
 
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