Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

[michaelvpardo]

According to @BreadOfLife , Daniel 3:56-88 reveals repetitive prayer.

BOL has a very active imagination, plays word games and has absolutely no problem pulling verses out of context and declaring that they mean something other than what they're actually saying.
I try to avoid antagonizing Roman Catholics as it serves no redemptive purpose, but the idea that someone who doesn't know me can challenge my personal testimony and call themselves a Christian is not something I tolerate.
A testimony is a personal subjective experience. It may or may not reflect biblical truth, but a testimony is something that will judge us or prove us at the Bema seat of Christ. I stand on my faith, but I swear by my testimony before God, memory failures not withstanding.

 

[Taken]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

One begins with the letter C.
One begins with the letter P.

 

[Taken]

BOL has a very active imagination, plays word games and has absolutely no problem pulling verses out of context and declaring that they mean something other than what they're actually saying.

 

[Taken]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP ^

One routinely spoke their sermons for centuries, in a language the congregates did not understand.

One routinely speaks their sermons, in a language the congregates do understand.

 

[BeyondET]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP ^

One routinely spoke their sermons for centuries, in a language the congregates did not understand.

One routinely speaks their sermons, in a language the congregates do understand.

Huh I didn't know that, do they continue to speak like that in sermons?

 

[Brakelite]

To all true Protestants,

• who take "the Bible and the Bible alone,"
• who do not believe that their Christian character can be correctly formed by any standard, or to any standard other than that which God has revealed, and
• who do not believe there is any obedience where there is no precept or requirement,

to all such the plea of custom and tradition can have no weight. That's for true protestants. That's a biblical religion. Any religion that holds tradition, custom, precedent or enactments and commandments of men to be off equal or greater authority than scripture is simply not a biblical religion. It's a Catholic religion.
Now I don't go to Catholic forums demanding that Catholics should, in order to keep to a true Catholic religion, they ought to hold to scripture alone... No, then it would be a different religion. I would that they would keep to scripture alone, but they certainly then would not be Catholic. So also Catholics coming here requiring that protestants ought to copy the practises of the early church fathers, hold to traditions foreign to the scriptures, would be correct to require we become Catholic. It makes no sense for Catholics to debate with a protestant on the grounds of scripture unless that particular protestant is not following scripture, then the Catholic can call the protestant to account, but I would respond, how many Catholics follow all the traditions and customs and superstitions of catholicism to the letter? I know though I'm not going to go to a Catholic forum and criticize Catholics fort not being Catholic enough.
In regard to any custom that purports to affect our salvation, our question is not, Did it exist? but, By what authority did it exist? Protestants ought have little regard for what men have done; for what men have done in the past does not reach our consciences; for that we go to history, and then we are often misinformed.
We ask what they ought to have done, and to settle this we go to the Bible, and are never deceived. And none can be deceived in going there, unless its testimony is covered up with inferences and traditions.
I would that all reading this consider what justly belongs to the examination of duty in regard to laws and institutions. Including and in particular God's laws.
The only question admissible is, What does the commandment of God say? What sayeth the Lord? Has it been as plainly amended or repealed as it was enacted? Now that's a hard question for even protestants. But if one or more of God's laws was not repealed or altered or abrogated with as much clarity, force, and fanfare as it was enacted, then no amount of tradition, custom, precedent, or reasoning can set it aside.

 

[Brakelite]

BOL has a very active imagination, plays word games and has absolutely no problem pulling verses out of context and declaring that they mean something other than what they're actually saying.

Indeed he does, but this is the first time I've seen him invent verses that have never previously existed.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Indeed he does, but this is the first time I've seen him invent verses that have never previously existed.

One of the first modern translations of scripture that I purchased and read was a paperback version called the Jerusalem Bible, it was authorized by the RCC. I enjoyed the apocryphal books, but the notes for some Canon texts said that the order of verses and sometimes words were changed because they believed that there were copy errors in the original documents. In other words, although they claim to stand on scripture, they don't hold to its inerrancy nor practice any sound biblical hermeneutic.
Honestly, I don't care. Only the Holy Spirit can convince anyone of truth and that includes Catholics. Only the Holy Spirit can breath new life into a soul through belief in the gospel and submission to Christ. I learned a long time ago not to concern myself with things I can't change.
I would prefer to be on a Christian site that excludes the cults and I place the RCC in that category, but for practical purposes the local assembly is the best place to find ears to hear, and a willingness to examine what scripture actually says. On line we're just so much text on a display and an avatar or picture that might really be the person posting, or not.
I found a local assembly that holds to Baptist doctrine and I'm content to chat with friendly faces who don't assert that they understand everything, and with mature Christians that have a pretty solid doctrinal understanding. With them I know when to speak and when to keep my mouth closed. I learn as well as edify others. I can measure a person's maturity and limit conversation to what they can receive.
You really can't do that in public posts.

 

[Taken]

Huh I didn't know that, do they continue to speak like that in sermons?

Many of the catholic congregates are in the America’S, speak English and Spanish, Yet until the early 60’s Mass was given in Latin.

 

[Taken]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP ^

One is ancient, and relied heavily on Philosophical Opinions to teach and induct members/congregates.

One is historical, and relied heavily on Scriptural Text to teach and induct members/congregates.

 

[Philip James]

- went by various names: Waldenses, Albegensis, Bogemills, Pasageni, Lollards, Hugenots, Sabate, Paulicians, Petrabucians, any many, many, many other names.

The idea that disparate communities established by men, that have no connection to each other or the apostles can be used to trace the Church through history is ludicrous..

Pax et Bonum

 

[atpollard]

According to @BreadOfLife , Daniel 3:56-88 reveals repetitive prayer.

I was curious, so I employed my "Google-fu" and here are the verses in context:

Daniel 3:46-90 New American Bible Revised Edition [LINK]

46 Now the king’s servants who had thrown them in continued to stoke the furnace with naphtha, pitch, tow, and brush. 47 The flames rose forty-nine cubits above the furnace, 48 and spread out, burning the Chaldeans that it caught around the furnace. 49 But the angel of the Lord went down into the furnace with Azariah and his companions, drove the fiery flames out of the furnace, 50 and made the inside of the furnace as though a dew-laden breeze were blowing through it. The fire in no way touched them or caused them pain or harm. 51 Then these three in the furnace with one voice sang, glorifying and blessing God:

52 “Blessed are you, O Lord, the God of our ancestors,
praiseworthy and exalted above all forever;
And blessed is your holy and glorious name,
praiseworthy and exalted above all for all ages.
53 Blessed are you in the temple of your holy glory,
praiseworthy and glorious above all forever.
54 Blessed are you on the throne of your kingdom,
praiseworthy and exalted above all forever.
55 Blessed are you who look into the depths
from your throne upon the cherubim,
praiseworthy and exalted above all forever.
56 Blessed are you in the firmament of heaven,
praiseworthy and glorious forever.
57 Bless the Lord, all you works of the Lord,
praise and exalt him above all forever.
58 Angels of the Lord, bless the Lord,
praise and exalt him above all forever.
59 You heavens, bless the Lord,
praise and exalt him above all forever.
60 All you waters above the heavens, bless the Lord,
praise and exalt him above all forever.
61 All you powers, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
62 Sun and moon, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
63 Stars of heaven, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
64 Every shower and dew, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
65 All you winds, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
66 Fire and heat, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
67 Cold and chill, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
68 Dew and rain, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
69 Frost and chill, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
70 Hoarfrost and snow, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
71 Nights and days, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
72 Light and darkness, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
73 Lightnings and clouds, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
74 Let the earth bless the Lord,
praise and exalt him above all forever.
75 Mountains and hills, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
76 Everything growing on earth, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
77 You springs, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
78 Seas and rivers, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
79 You sea monsters and all water creatures, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
80 All you birds of the air, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
81 All you beasts, wild and tame, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
82 All you mortals, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
83 O Israel, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
84 Priests of the Lord, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
85 Servants of the Lord, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
86 Spirits and souls of the just, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
87 Holy and humble of heart, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
88 Hananiah, Azariah, Mishael, bless the Lord;
praise and exalt him above all forever.
For he has delivered us from Sheol,
and saved us from the power of death;
He has freed us from the raging flame
and delivered us from the fire.
89 Give thanks to the Lord, who is good,
whose mercy endures forever.
90 Bless the God of gods, all you who fear the Lord;
praise and give thanks,
for his mercy endures forever.”​

Why the difference?
If any other inquiring minds happened to be reading this TOPIC and stumbled across this POST and asked that question (as I did) ... Here is the "quick and dirty" explanation from Wikipedia:

The additions to Daniel comprise three chapters not found in the Hebrew/Aramaic text of Daniel. The text of these chapters is found in the Koine Greek Septuagint, the earliest Old Greek translation.

The three additions are as follows.

• The Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children: Daniel 3:24–90 inserted between verses 23 and 24 in the Protestant canon (v. 24 becomes v. 91), incorporated within the Fiery Furnace episode. When Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego are thrown into a furnace for declining to worship an idol, they are rescued by an angel and sing a song of worship.[1] In some Greek Bibles, the Prayer and the Song appear in an appendix to the book of Psalms.[2]
• Susanna and the Elders: before Daniel 1:1, a prologue in early Greek manuscripts; chapter 13 in the Vulgate. This episode, along with Bel and the Dragon, is one of "the two earliest examples" of a detective story, according to Christopher Booker. In it, two men attempt to coerce a young woman into having sexual relations with them through blackmail, but are foiled under close questioning by Daniel.[3]
• Bel and the Dragon: after Daniel 12:13 in Greek, an epilogue; chapter 14 in the Vulgate. In this tale, Daniel's detective work reveals that a brass idol believed to miraculously consume sacrifices is in fact a front for a corrupt priesthood which is stealing the offerings.[3]

[Anyone wanting a more SCHOLARLY and definitive answer is invited to research it for themselves. I just had a passing curiosity.]
Once again it appears to come back to "Sola Scriptura" vs "Sacred Tradition" ... does the Original Word of God (OT in Hebrew & NT in Greek) know best or did the Early Church Fathers know best.

 

[Phoneman777]

Pax et Bonum

Why do you say they were "disparate"?

 

[Marymog]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP ^

One is ancient, and relied heavily on Philosophical Opinions to teach and induct members/congregates.

One is historical, and relied heavily on Scriptural Text to teach and induct members/congregates.

You crack me up Taken.

Soooooo The Church relies on the students of the Apostles (Clement, Polycarp and Ignatius) for their guidance on what the Apostles meant when they wrote the NT letters and to "teach and induct members/congregates".

Your Protestant men from the 16th century rely on their personal opinions (they all disagreed with each other) when interpreting "Scriptural Text" to "teach and induct members/congregates".

But in your twisted opinion The Church is wrong for relying on students of the Apostles? And you PROTESTant men are right for relying on each other? That just cracks me up.......You twist logic just the same as you do Scripture......

 

[Marymog]

There is no example of repetitious prayer in scripture, none.

Your men didn't teach you ALL of Scripture:

Daniel 3:52-90, Psalms 136, Mark 11:9

And last but not least: Day and night without ceasing they sing, “Holy, holy, holy, the Lord God the Almighty, who was and is and is to come.”

 

[Marymog]

When you pray be not as the heathen for they pray repetitious words , thinking they will be heard for their words .
...... they dont know they are lost .

Lol....Who's lost? These heathens from Scripture?

Daniel 3:52-90, Psalms 136, Mark 11:9

And last but not least: Day and night without ceasing they sing, “Holy, holy, holy, the Lord God the Almighty, who was and is and is to come.”

 

[Marymog]

According to @BreadOfLife , Daniel 3:56-88 reveals repetitive prayer.

Lol....."According to @BreadOfLife it is reptitive?
He Brakelite. How about if you just read Daniel 3:52-90 for yourself to determine if you see repetitive words in that prayer. (Hint, it is repetitive) Also, take a look at Psalms 136. Any repetition there Braklite?

Can you explain how Mark 11:9 is not repetitive: Those who went ahead and those who followed shouted, “Hosanna!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!

Did those "ahead" shout it only once and then those who "followed" shouted it once?


And last but not least: Day and night without ceasing they sing, “Holy, holy, holy, the Lord God the Almighty, who was and is and is to come.”

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...nope.

Ummmm. Yup.
The proof is in the posts . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...poor thing, aside from following a false gospel, you don’t even comprehend common knowledge of emotions.

Ding, ding, ding.......Laughing at you is not an expression of anger.
DUH! Lol.

Such anger and ignorance . . .

LOL...You should get your eyes in the Bible, and LEARN, Jesus came to Earth WITH His NEW BETTER TESTAMENT...and VERY confident without a catholic church, a catholic tradition, a catholic’s holy father pope, a catholic’s side kick doctrine, catechism, statues, blah, blah, blah... JESUS managed very well to spread His Word, according to His...WAY.

You can whine and moan against the Catholic Church ALL you want and claim that Jesus didn’t use His Church to spread the Gospel or declare the Canon of Scripture – and you’ll STILL be wrong.
Time for a little History Lesson, Einstein . . .

The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified – ALL 73 (not 66) Books.
- 11 years after that, it was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo (393).
- 4 years later, at the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

Them’s the HISTORICAL facts.

LOL, your arrogance is so thick I doubt my sharpened high powered chain saw could cut it.

This idiocy, coming from a person who starts every sentence with “LOL”.
You are hypocrisy incarnate . . .

 

[Taken]

You crack me up Taken.

Soooooo The Church relies on the students of the Apostles (Clement, Polycarp and Ignatius) for their guidance on what the Apostles meant when they wrote the NT letters and to "teach and induct members/congregates".

Fact is you choose to follow students teaching...
AND your fact check verification?
Your church says so?

Fact is I choose to follow the original TEACHER...
AND my fact check verification?
Scripture.

Your Protestant men from the 16th century rely on their personal opinions (they all disagreed with each other) when interpreting "Scriptural Text" to "teach and induct members/congregates".

Catholics have written, sold, used their catechism book for TEACHING Scriptural Interpretation for centuries.<- Philosophical Opinions
Catholics have made up their own traditions for centuries.
Catholics with differing traditions, continue to call themselves catholic.
Catholics NAME their church buildings as they please.

Protestants have NO written companion book to TEACH Scriptural Interpretation.
Protestants have made up their own traditions for centuries.
Protestants with different traditions, continue to call themselves Protestants.
Protestants NAME their church buildings as they please.

Individuals involved in ANY church organization were not authorized to TEACH PRIVATE INTERPRETATION!

2 Pet 1
[20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.


2 Thes 2: [15] Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our (JEWS, not Gentiles) epistle.

cracks me up.......

I find nothing funny about your lack of comprehension.