Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

[Philip James]

It's in Revelation:

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.​

The church was not out in the open for a long time. It was chased into the wilderness, hiding from persecuting religio-political authorities. An example (type) of this, is seen directly in the book of Acts:

Act 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Act 8:2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.

Act 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

Act 8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

Act_11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
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Jesus said it would be so from type to anti-type:

Mat_23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

Mar_13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

Luk_21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Joh_16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.​

The true people of God fled into the "wilderness", were "scattered", "persecuted" 1,260 years (AD 538-AD 1798). They didn't have a seat of authority in Rome. Look up the code of Justinian, and implemented by the Franks under Clovis, and how it was applied at Padua by Frederick II, etc.

The history of the true church, as given in scripture, is one of being persecuted, scattered, in the wilderness, as Elijah was, as John the Baptist was, not given as a gloriously defined mega-structure as seated in the central "ID" brain of the prideful and unmerciful Roman element of Iron:

[1.] 1 Kings 17-21:29; 2 Kings 11:1-20 – Ahab (King), Jezebel (Woman/Wife, False religion), Athaliah (evil daughter), Apostates (false believers), Elijah (godly).

[2.] Matthew 14:1-12; Mark 6:14-29; Luke 3:19-20 – Herod (King), with Pilate, Herodias (Woman/Wife), Salome (evil daughter), Apostates (Ananias, Caiphas, Pharisees, Sadducees, false believers), John The Baptist (Elijah Messenger); Malachi 3:1; Isaiah 40:3-5; Matthew 11:14, 17:12; Mark 9:12-13; Luke 1:17]

[3.] Revelation 13:1-18, 14:6-12. 17:1-18 – Kings of the earth (King), Great Whore (Woman), Harlot Daughters (evil daughters), Apostates (“Lord, Lord” but do not the things Jesus said to do), Remnant (3 Angels Messages, Final Elijah Messenger)​

How do we know? John the Apostle was not favoured in Rome, but persecuted, and according to historical account, placed in boiling oil, before being carted off to Patmos, where he wrote:

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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Read the book, The Two Republics, and see the actual history in Rome:

SDA - A T Jones - The Two Republics : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

I could even cite "Catholic" histories, such as Lord Acton, for the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, etc. I could cite Llorente at the Inquisition. There are numerous authorities that nearly all accept, on such accounts, non-Christian, Protestant, Catholic, etc.

So that a no, you cannot trace this community down through the centuries?

Underwhelming..

'a city set on a hill cannot be hid"

Pax et Bonum

 

[Brakelite]

Then Jesus must be pagan because He rose on Sunday according to your absurd reasoning.

What reasoning? I'm just telling you the truth, no reasoning necessary.
Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:

But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church Section 2 Article 3 (1994):

Sunday – fulfillment of the Sabbath. Sunday is expressly distinguished from the Sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the Sabbath...

The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ...

In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church’s holy days as legal holidays.

The above is reasoning... Teaching for doctrine the commandments of men.

The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:

Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:
If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.

The pagan influence fallacy is in fact, a fallacy, and your fallacious reasoning has been exposed repeatedly.

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:

Cardinal John Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine (London: Basil Montague Pickering, 1878): 373:

The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons…are all of pagan origin and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.

In other words, like the pagan phallus symbol in from of St Peters basilica, of a Catholic calls it Christian, it's Christian.

Sunday actually made very little headway as a Christian day of rest until the time of Constantine in the fourth century. Constantine was emperor of Rome from AD 306 to 337. He was a sun worshiper during the first years of his reign. Later, he professed conversion to Christianity, but at heart remained a devotee of the sun. Edward Gibbon says, “The Sun was universally celebrated as the invincible guide and protector of Constantine.” Sun worship came to Rome through the military from the Mithra religion of the Persians, well prior to the Christian era.


Constantine's Conversion by Peter Paul Rubens
Source: Wikimedia Commons....
Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in AD 321. It says this:

On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.

Chamber’s Encyclopedia says this:

Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of that Day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, 321 A.D.

Following this initial legislation, both emperors and Popes in succeeding centuries added other laws to strengthen Sunday observance. What began as a pagan ordinance ended as a Christian regulation. Close on the heels of the Edict of Constantine followed the Catholic Church Council of Laodicea (circa 364 AD):

Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour; and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.

Contrary to what you've been told, the early church did not observe Sunday as a day sacred to the resurrection. Such a novelty did not come into them church except in Rome and Alexandria... Elsewhere the Sabbath was still observed by Christians, both Jew and gentile, for centuries. Only after the above Laodicean council and the enforcement of Sunday through legislation and government/church compilation, did Sabbath observance become less widespread. Yet even with such opposition, Christians have been known throughout the world to have observed the true Sabbath throughout Christian history.

Pretending that Sunday was chosen by God to be a sacred observance by the church is a vain exercise... Do you honestly think God is convinced by your church's sophistry?

 

[Brakelite]

So that a no, you cannot trace this community down through the centuries?

Underwhelming..

'a city set on a hill cannot be hid"

Pax et Bonum

Actually it can. Just look to the vast numbers of Christian communities that were unjustifiably attacked and destroyed by satanic agencies over the centuries... With the Catholic church's approval and at times full participation.

 

[Philip James]

Actually it can. Just look to the vast numbers of Christian communities that were unjustifiably attacked and destroyed by satanic agencies over the centuries... With the Catholic church's approval and at times full participation.

'every planting not of my Father will be uprooted'

The Church in Crete which was planted by Paul and Titus (who Paul made its first bishop) is still readily identifiable. So are many other apostolic churches..
The idea that disparate communities established by men, that have no connection to each other or the apostles can be used to trace the Church through history is ludicrous..

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

To the OP. Difference between Catholic and protestant communities: protestant communities were established by men on their own authority..

Pax et Bonum

 

[michaelvpardo]

What nation was destroyed? The first 39 popes were killed by pagan Romans, so "a faith co-opted by Rome" proves you are of the psychotic variety of anti-Catholicism. I see little difference between your false histories and the false histories of the SDA/JW's. To them, Christian Rome and pagan Rome are one and the same. The lies continue to this day.

Briefly, therefore, the fact of Christ's Resurrection is attested by more than 500 eyewitnesses, whose experience, simplicity, and uprightness of life rendered them incapable of inventing such a fable, who lived at a time when any attempt to deceive could have been easily discovered, who had nothing in this life to gain, but everything to lose by their testimony, whose moral courage exhibited in their apostolic life can be explained only by their intimate conviction of the objective truth of their message. Again the fact of Christ's Resurrection is attested by the eloquent silence of the Synagogue which had done everything to prevent deception, which could have easily discovered deception, if there had been any, which opposed only sleeping witnesses to the testimony of the Apostles, which did not punish the alleged carelessness of the official guard, and which could not answer the testimony of the Apostles except by threatening them "that they speak no more in this name to any man" (Acts 4:17). Finally the thousands and millions, both Jews and Gentiles, who believed the testimony of the Apostles in spite of all the disadvantages following from such a belief, in short the origin of the Church, requires for its explanation the reality of Christ's Resurrection, for the rise of the Church without the Resurrection would have been a greater miracle than the Resurrection itself.
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Resurrection of Jesus Christ

Catholicism is the fulfillment of Judaism whereas you have long divorced yourself from our elder brothers. Your stupid insults have no bearing in reality and just like the made-in-America cults, you have to invent your own history, especially whoppers about Constantine.

Opponents of the Church often attempt to discredit Catholicism by attempting to show similarities between it and the beliefs or practices of ancient paganism. This fallacy is frequently committed by Fundamentalists against Catholics; by Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and others against both Protestants and Catholics; and by atheists and skeptics against both Christians and Jews.

The nineteenth century witnessed a flowering of this “pagan influence fallacy.” Publications such as The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop (the classic English text charging the Catholic Church with paganism) paved the way for generations of antagonism toward the Church. During this time, entire new sects were created (Seventh-day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses)—all considering traditional Catholicism and Protestantism as polluted by paganism. This era also saw atheistic “freethinkers” such as Robert Ingersoll writing books attacking Christianity and Judaism as pagan.

The pagan influence fallacy has not gone away in the twentieth century, but newer archaeology and more mature scholarship have diminished its influence. Yet there are still many committing it. In Protestant circles, numerous works have continued to popularize the claims of Alexander Hislop, most notably the comic books of Jack Chick and the book Babylon Mystery Religion by the young Ralph Woodrow (later Woodrow realized its flaws and wrote The Babylon Connection? repudiating it and refuting Hislop). Other Christian and quasi-Christian sects have continued to charge mainstream Christianity with paganism, and many atheists have continued to repeat—unquestioned—the charges of paganism leveled by their forebears.​

read more here

Oh, I forgot. The psychotic anti-Catholic can't read more than 3 lines.

What Is Paranoid Psychosis? Symptoms and Treatment Options, Explained

When I was a child and Catholic, I was given a booklet in Catechism about the origin of traditional "garb" used by priests for the various masses. They were described as a mixture of traditional Roman and Hebrew vestments. Catholic historians recorded the fact that the schism between Rome and Constantinople was largely over the Roman permission to keep household idols as patron saints.
Such little shelf idols were still being sold in a store inside St. Martin of Torres (?) RCC auditorium in Bethpage Long Island, as well as in St. Patrick's cathedral in Manhattan.
The Roman Emperor Constantine was the first Roman Monarch to endorse Roman Catholicism as a legitimate religion in Rome. The idea that Roman Catholicism is separate from Roman culture and traditions is a fiction created by church apologists after the Reformation.

 

[michaelvpardo]

This time, I’ll START OFF by exposing the fact that you completely ignored all of the examples of repetitious prayer in Scripture that is pleasing to God.

As to your litany about the Jews – this was nothing but DEFLECTION because I nailed you on another LIE.
YOU said that Jesus never addressed paganism in Matt. 6:7 - -and I proved you WRONG.

Finally – you credit the Jews with the Canon of Scripture.
Ummmm – it WASN’T the Jews who gave us the NT Canon – it was the Catholic Church guided by the Holy Spirit as promised by Jesus (John 16:12-15).

Now – how about addressing the examples of repetitious prayer I presented??

There is no example of repetitious prayer in scripture, none.

 

[amigo de christo]

There is no example of repetitious prayer in scripture, none.

When you pray be not as the heathen for they pray repetitious words , thinking they will be heard for their words .
GOD already knows . So allow me a short list .
Contemplative prayer is of the devil
circle makers is of the devil
the book called the shack is of the devil
and many other books that christains now love and embrace are actually of the devil .
TIME to return to bibles . Learn that GOD , learn that Jesus , learn that doctrine .
Ya dont need beads in your hand for GOD to hear ya
You dont need to bow before idols
You dont need to pray to saints
You dont need to pray to angels
You dont need to pray to mary .
Simply pray to GOD in Christ name . Let us learn that wonderful bible again , fresh and anew .
For many men come to decieve . Decieving and being decieved . THEY are always learning but unable to come to the TRUTH .
They are always twisting words and having strifes of meanings of words , but they are lost and know not that they are lost
nor do the people under them know THEY LOST TOO . THEY DONT KNOW what they have LOST and they dont know they are lost .

 

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It was not Peter ("petros" - "small pebble") upon which the Christian church was founded, but Peter's "rock" of his confession (PETRA). If the church was founded on Peter, God help us. He denied our LORD three times, and even Paul had to go off on him in front of everybody for his foolishness.

Yep.

 

[Taken]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP ^

One demands unmarried men and woman to teach children.
One prefers married men and women to teach children.

 

[Taken]

CATHOLIC comes from the Greek word Katholikos, which was later Latinized into Catholicus.
It means 'Universal', which in itself means, 'of or relating to, or affecting the entire world and ALL peoples therein'.

No.

The universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of matter and energy.

Romans 1:8 ….and you belong to that Church whose faith St. Paul describes as being "proclaimed (KATanggeletai) in the whole universe (en HOLO to komos).

No.

 

[Taken]

In Mat. 16:19, Jesus hadn’t given the “keys” to anyone yet (“I will (future tense) give”), and later we see in 2 Cor. 1:1, 2:10; Matthew 18:15-20; Luk. 11:49-52; John 20:18-23; Acts 1:13-15, that all the disciples and apostles have this same authority as a collective church body. The power of binding and loosing deals with receiving into the body of Christ or rejection from the body of Christ. The entire body together, and as individual “churches” have such authority. It is not 'bound' up in Peter alone, for even in Mat. 16:18, Jesus specifically said “church”. Peter is one individual within the greater church. In other words, all in the “church” have such “keys” given them, Mat. 16:20.​

Keys represent authority.

Agree.

Church organizations have authority to “bind and loose”...
Allow and disallow members into their “organization”.
As well they have authority to settle “disputes” among their “organizations” members.

Christ’s Church is made up of a membership of NEW CREATURES, wherever they be. They as well have the authority to “bind and loose”...
Challenge they have Trespassed Against another, Dispute, Authority to Forgive Trespasses Against them. Forgiveness Given or Not is blinded or loosen.

 

[Phoneman777]

Please identify this community down through yhe centuries..

Pax et Bonum

The Christians the Bible predicted would flee "into the wilderness...for a time, times, and half a time" after Jesus was "caught up" and the "dragon" turned his weapons toward the church aka "woman" - went by various names: Waldenses, Albegensis, Bogemills, Pasageni, Lollards, Hugenots, Sabate, Paulicians, Petrabucians, any many, many, many other names.

They were everywhere. The Vatican claims that these "heretics" groups were small pockets of nuisance rebels here and there that originated in the 12th century, to give the image that she had widespread, undying loyalty of the global Christian church, but Vatican archived documents have been uncovered and exposed as saying these anti-Papal groups were a "pestilence" and "everywhere" and "in almost every nation".

Renarius, an apostate Waldensian member who became a Roman Catholic inquisitor, was quoted as saying, "The Waldenses as they were ancient were also numerous" - clearly, the Protestant movement was well underway long before the "Protestant Reformation" was kicked off by Luther and his hammer and nails on October 31, 1517 - it goes back all the way to when Christianity was hijacked by Papists, friend.

 

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Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP^

One has had some 200+ elected holy fathers.
One has only One Holy Father.

 

[Brakelite]

There is no example of repetitious prayer in scripture, none.

According to @BreadOfLife , Daniel 3:56-88 reveals repetitive prayer.

 

[amigo de christo]

Keys represent authority.

Agree.

Church organizations have authority to “bind and loose”...
Allow and disallow members into their “organization”.
As well they have authority to settle “disputes” among their “organizations” members.

Christ’s Church is made up of a membership of NEW CREATURES, wherever they be. They as well have the authority to “bind and loose”...
Challenge they have Trespassed Against another, Dispute, Authority to Forgive Trespasses Against them. Forgiveness Given or Not is blinded or loosen.

 

[amigo de christo]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP^

One has had some 200+ elected holy fathers.
One has only One Holy Father.

and with that reminder let all that has breath both praise and thank the glorious Lord . Heed not men who have always desired
the pre eminence and the power , Rather HEED CHRIST and learn those bibles well .

 

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Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP^

One teaches Christ’s Church is a building called catholic.
One teaches Christ’s Church are people Converted in Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP^

One teaches Christ’s Church is a building called catholic.
One teaches Christ’s Church are people Converted in Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP^

One teaches Christ’s Church is a building called catholic.
One teaches Christ’s Church are people Converted in Christ.

What is truly sad is that many folks have no idea what they are sitting under .
Many places have become as were the pharisees in the day of Christ .
They entered not in themselves and were hindering others from doing so .
And also this , they go over seas and lands to convert believers and yet they make them two fold the child of hell as they were .
The doctrine just keeps getting worse . But if one is not saved , if one has not truly been born again
THEN how on earth can they point anyone to CHRIST . They cannot . At most they point them ONLY to another jesus
full of the very traditions they claim are of CHRIST and yet contradict CHRIST . its just not looking good my friend .
But we must do as we must do , all out battle for the one true faith in hopes some will repent and come to the true saving faith in Christ .

 

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Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP ^

One prays to dead people.
One prays for living people.