Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

[theefaith]

In Rev. 12:1, the "woman" is pregnant in Heaven. In Rev. 12:3 the "dragon" is in Heaven too. Paul said (Gal. 4:26) our 'mother' "above" is New "Jerusalem", not 'Mary'.

mary is our spiritual mother Jn 19
The new Jerusalem is the new covenant church

 

[theefaith]

That was just plain sad.
You have my sympathy.
I pray you meet Jesus some day and He eases your life of uncertainty.

we have no uncertainty also not an unfounded certainty like you

A few more verses


1 pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

1 pet 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

2 Peter 1:3
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

2 Peter 1:5
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; (sure sounds like faith alone to me?)


Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

27. Heb 1:14 shall be heirs of salvation

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
(Must remain obedient)

(He who endured to the end) one who dies in a state of grace united to Jesus Christ by faith and baptism!
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 1 pet 3:21
Matt 24:13


Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible if baptism is rejected!




“Faith alone”?

Charity

Deut. 6:5
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema.

Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing.

1 cor 13:12 now abide faith, hope, and charity, and the greatest of these is charity.

If salvation was by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!!!

If we are saved by faith alone then when we first believed we would be saved?

Romans 13:11
…our salvation nearer than when we believed.

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Matt 5 the merciful obtain mercy!

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

 

[theefaith]

Gal 3:27 too

 

[Daydreamer]

Now repeat after scripture:

Blessed art thou among all women! Lk 1:28 & Lk 1:45 & Lk 1:48

All generations shall call me blessed! Lk 1:48

A new song of thanksgiving for bringing our salvation!

And thanksgiving for the incarnation of Jesus Christ! The word was made flesh and dwelt among us thanks to Mary’s yes consenting to our salvation!

As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”

28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke11:27&28

 

[theefaith]

Only Christ has authority to found the one true church! All others are heretical sects the tradition of men Matt 16:18-19 Jn 10:16

 

[theefaith]

I was once Catholic. I was called a cradle Catholic. I no longer consider myself a Catholic. Too much that I disagree with to stay with the Catholic church. Also, if I had the choice of what church I wanted to be a part of, the Catholic church wouldn't have been my choice.

then you have rejected Christ? Acts 9:4 Christ and his church are one

 

[theefaith]

Interesting observations there. When I criticize catholicism, I offer biblical, historical evidence. I would be happy to discuss your objections to adventism on another thread... We have had threads of that nature previously, but for some reason they don't seem to go anywhere... Non adventists seem reluctant to seriously engage.

when and where did Adventism begin?

 

[Naomanos]

then you have rejected Christ? Acts 9:4 Christ and his church are one

I have done no such thing, so you are wrong. On top of it, the scripture you provided, doesn't say what you are thinking it says.

 

[theefaith]

Well wouldn't that be a pointless exercise? Adventists are committed to Adventism, so they do not need any further input from outside. Just like Catholics are committed to Catholicism.

Catholics to Christ eph 5:24

 

[theefaith]

Fiction at its best. Jeroboam set up a golden calf in Bethel as a representation of the God of Israel, Yah Havah, when the ten tribes abandoned Rehoboam, the son of Solomon.


“I am the LORD, that is My name;
I will not give My glory to another,
Nor My praise to graven images.
Isaiah 42:8

8‘You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 9‘You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 10but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. Deuteronomy 5:8-10

What is it about this commandment that you don't understand?

which commandment is it?

 

[Marymog]

You obviously are clueless about divine inspiration and the actual history of Jewish rebellion from Moses to Christ, but I'll give you one passage:

24And it came about, when Moses finished writing the words of this law in a book until they were complete, 25that Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, 26“Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may remain there as a witness against you. 27“For I know your rebellion and your stubbornness; behold, while I am still alive with you today, you have been rebellious against the LORD; how much more, then, after my death.
Deuteronomy 31:24-27

The Jews didn't write the scriptures. The prophets were inspired by the Holy Spirit, and consequently there was only one real author. If you believed the word, you'd know this.

Your theory is that the Jews didn't write the Scriptures. Just to be clear the OT is Scripture. The OT are Jewish laws (for a lack of better words). Jewish people put pen to paper and wrote the OT. I noticed your little caveat there that "there was only one real author." You are right. God is the author....but men wrote! Jewish men wrote the OT. Christian men wrote the NT. So, now to destroy your opinion that the Jews didn't write what God inspired them to write.

Was Moses a Jew? Yup. Did he write parts of the OT? Yup.
What Books Of The Bible Did Moses Write? | Jack Wellman (patheos.com)
[URL='https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3912290/jewish/What-Are-the-Five-Books-of-Moses.htm']What Are the Five Books of Moses? - Essentials (chabad.org)[/URL]

Who wrote Psalms (the book of the OT we are discussing)? David is accredited with writing most of Psalms. Moses also! Was David Jewish? Yup
Who Actually Wrote Psalms? (biblestudytools.com)
Who Wrote the Book of Psalms? - Questions & Answers (chabad.org)

Sorry to destroy your theory with facts.

 

[theefaith]

I do look at doctrine. The only reason Christ came to Earth was not to establish the supremacy of the RCC.

He came to reconcile corrupt men, which includes the RCC fathers.

how can you reconcile men without truth? Truth is doctrine!

Christ is truth Jn 14:6

but the church has the ministry of reconciliation 2 cor 5:18


Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

 

[Marymog]

Any comparison of the above, a memorial, with this...View attachment 26440

Is rather a stretch. Nice try though.

Hmmmm......comparing a larger-than-life memorial to Protestant men (all who disagreed with each other about the Truth of Scripture) to a small statue of the Mother of God IS a bit of a stretch.....

 

[Marymog]

Christ alone is the cornerstone.

There are four corners to a structure. Who filled the other three?

 

[Marymog]

I was once Catholic. I was called a cradle Catholic. I no longer consider myself a Catholic. Too much that I disagree with to stay with the Catholic church. Also, if I had the choice of what church I wanted to be a part of, the Catholic church wouldn't have been my choice.

Did you find a denomination that you agree with?

Curious Mary

Late edit: I found the answer to my question in another post of yours.

 

[theefaith]

As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”

28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke11:27&28

Mary glorified again!

Lk 1:45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

How can her existence magnify God?

Lk 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

 

[Wrangler]

@Marymog,

With all due respect, a little feedback would be helpful. You are not a good witness for the RCC. On another site, there is a RCC who is a good witness. He's grounded, measured, thoughtful and inviting in his posts.

Your posts scream the Differences between Catholic and Protestant can never be resolved as you are like the Muslims and we are like Israel; you deny our right to exist. Or the only purpose to our existence - from your POV - is us one day realizing the error of our ways and returning to your one world church. This will never happen!

You only seem interested in making 'kiddo' type condescending posts. I don't see you welcoming new members or posting in threads where people share their trials and tribulations where you offer love, understanding, prayers and support. It wouldn't hurt to love on your fellow Christ follower, especially given how much lower she/he is than the likes of you. Just sayin.

Make a Blessed Day!

W

 

[theefaith]

I have done no such thing, so you are wrong. On top of it, the scripture you provided, doesn't say what you are thinking it says.

Christ and his church are one acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[theefaith]

Your theory is that the Jews didn't write the Scriptures. Just to be clear the OT is Scripture. The OT are Jewish laws (for a lack of better words). Jewish people put pen to paper and wrote the OT. I noticed your little caveat there that "there was only one real author." You are right. God is the author....but men wrote! Jewish men wrote the OT. Christian men wrote the NT. So, now to destroy your opinion that the Jews didn't write what God inspired them to write.

Was Moses a Jew? Yup. Did he write parts of the OT? Yup.
What Books Of The Bible Did Moses Write? | Jack Wellman (patheos.com)
What Are the Five Books of Moses? - Essentials (chabad.org)

Who wrote Psalms (the book of the OT we are discussing)? David is accredited with writing most of Psalms. Moses also! Was David Jewish? Yup
Who Actually Wrote Psalms? (biblestudytools.com)
Who Wrote the Book of Psalms? - Questions & Answers (chabad.org)

Sorry to destroy your theory with facts.

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, andspeak face to face, that our joy may be full.

 

[Naomanos]

Christ and his church are one acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

I will respectfully disagree with your post.

I am not returning to the Catholic church, not when I disagree with many of its doctrines. That would make me a hypocrite. Nor am I rejecting Christ.