What is "Parousia"?

[amigo de christo]

If you could show me a passage that suggest “and forward”, please do.

The Bible in my opinion is one of the hugest gifts God gave us and is beneficial to spiritual living. But those letters where not written to “me in Alabama” or “you in Australia”. This is not saying there is nothing not to learn.

THOSE WORDS are for all lambs through all generations until the END .
Even peter says and paul that they are written for OUR LEARNING .
Revelation aint some book we can maybe learn a few things from . ITS FOR THE CHURCH PEROID
as in and as are all things written .

 

[David in NJ]

yes indeed , the problem is most think we are not HERE but rather we are entering into a time of great awakening and unity
and world peace . THEY GOT NO idea they are part of and in THE FALLING AWAY and that indeed
we are RIGHT at mathew twenty twelve fourteen . No idea . all they desire is this UNITY , this we are one ,
this lets just come together with all . IT IS THE DELUSION that IS GATHERING the WORLD as one
RIGHT UNTO the day of ARMEGEDDON . But they think its GODS WILL for world peace and safety .
WHEN in truth the image of GOD has been changed to serve another who is not GOD but has always desired to be AS GOD .
Lambs KNOW THEIR GOD and THEIR KING CHRIST JESUS and they shall contend for the true faith through it all .
THEY wont sit under a false unity nor follow a false love . THEY WILL FOLLOW THE LAMB and HE ALONE no matter the cost .

And guess who "stands out from among them"

HalelluYAH

 

[David in NJ]

yes indeed , the problem is most think we are not HERE but rather we are entering into a time of great awakening and unity
and world peace . THEY GOT NO idea they are part of and in THE FALLING AWAY and that indeed
we are RIGHT at mathew twenty twelve fourteen . No idea . all they desire is this UNITY , this we are one ,
this lets just come together with all . IT IS THE DELUSION that IS GATHERING the WORLD as one
RIGHT UNTO the day of ARMEGEDDON . But they think its GODS WILL for world peace and safety .
WHEN in truth the image of GOD has been changed to serve another who is not GOD but has always desired to be AS GOD .
Lambs KNOW THEIR GOD and THEIR KING CHRIST JESUS and they shall contend for the true faith through it all .
”

the GOSPEL cries out: Therefore, “Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."

 

[MatthewG]

THOSE WORDS are for all lambs through all generations until the END .
Even peter says and paul that they are written for OUR LEARNING .
Revelation aint some book we can maybe learn a few things from . ITS FOR THE CHURCH PEROID
as in and as are all things written .

That is your opinion , amigo.

The end is not the end of the world. It is the end of the age. And everyone does have an end to life and a last day. It’s good to be, learning about God and Jesus.

The revelation is good to learn from I never sided that is not something a person can not learn from.

 

[David in NJ]

That is your opinion and not a quote from the Bible, amigo.

The end is not the end of the world. It is the end of the age. And everyone does have an end to life and a last day. It’s good to be, learning about God and Jesus.

The revelation is good to learn from I never sided that is not something a person can not learn from.

100% = the End, is the "end of this Age" of sin and rule by satan = which has not yet ended!

 

[MatthewG]

100% = the End, is the "end of this Age" of sin and rule by satan = which has not yet ended!

Are you still bound by law? And if you’re not bound by law, how can Satan even accuse you? Or how can Satan, who had his head crushed in by Jesus do anything to anyone if he is still wandering around today?

You do realize that Jesus was sent to cast that prince - Satan who owned the world at once upon a time until his demise, - out of the world? And his judgement drew nearer.

Ol Satan, gets blamed for more things than the Cookie Monster for getting into cookies.

I don’t believe Satan is still around, David, and it’s because of the promised that are stated in the Bible, that talks about Satans defeat and I believe today that God is in control, and that Satan was done away with as promised by the writer of revelation.

It’s really hard to believe because most people do not care, or it is hard for them to understand because they have not been reading their Bible properly and studying as regular as one should be, even with use of researching things up, and what some of the Greek words mean.

I would understand if Satan could accuse you if you were under the law of Moses; because Jesus came by Satan and was tempted with all the world. Jesus overcame the law, and he was sent to destroy the works of the devil.

What a person choose to understand about this, idk.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

According to Strong's:

erchomai

er'-khom-ahee​

Middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] word, ἐλεύθομαι eleuthomai or ἔλθω elthō; which do not otherwise occur); to come or go (in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively): - accompany, appear, bring, come enter, fall out, go, grow, X light, X next, pass, resort, be set.​

So I don't think that it is referring to a future coming back. The Cambridge Bible notes says of verse 2:

The sentence may be taken in more ways than one: (1) as both A. V. and R. V.; (2) more accurately, and with some difference of meaning; confesseth Jesus Christ as come in the flesh; (3) confesseth that Jesus is the Christ come in the flesh. Remark that S. John does not say ‘come into the flesh’, but ‘in the flesh’: Christ did not descend (as Cerinthus said) into an already existing man, but He came in human nature; He ‘became flesh’. Moreover he does not say that the confession is to be of a Christ who came (ἐλθόντα), but of a Christ who is come (ἐληλυθότα). This ‘coming’ is not an exhausted fact: He is come and abides in the flesh.​

Albert Barnes' notes says:

That Jesus Christ is come in the flesh - Benson and some others propose to render this, “That Jesus, who came in the flesh, is the Christ.” But this is liable to serious objections.​

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(1) It is not the obvious interpretation.​

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(2) It is unusual to say that Jesus “had come in the flesh,” though the expression “the Son of God has come in the flesh,” or “God was manifested in the flesh,” would be in accordance with the usage of the New Testament.​

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(3) This would not, probably, meet the real point in the case. The thing denied does not appear to have been that Jesus was the Messiah, for their pretending to be Christian teachers at all implied that they admitted this; but that the Son of God was “really a man,” or that he actually assumed human nature in permanent union with the divine. The point of the remark made by the apostle is, that the acknowledgment was to be that Christ assumed human nature; that he was really a man as he appeared to be: or that there was a real incarnation, in opposition to the opinion that he came in appearance only, or that he merely seemed to be a man, and to suffer and die. That this opinion was held by many, see the Introduction, Section III. 2. It is quite probable that the apostle here refers to such sentiments as those which were held by the “Docetae;” and that he meant to teach that it was indispensable to proper evidence that anyone came from God, that he should maintain that Jesus was truly a man, or that there was a real incarnation of the Son of God. John always regarded this as a very important point, and often refers to it, Joh_19:34-35; Joh_20:25-27; 1Jn_5:6. It is as important to be held now as it was then, for the fact that there was a real incarnation is essential to all just views of the atonement. If he was not truly a man, if he did not literally shed his blood on the cross, of course all that was done was in appearance only, and the whole system of redemption as revealed was merely a splendid illusion. There is little danger that this opinion will be held now, for those who depart from the doctrine laid down in the New Testament in regard to the person and work of Christ, are more disposed to embrace the opinion that he was a mere man; but still it is important that the truth that he was truly incarnate should be held up constantly before the mind, for in no other way can we obtain just views of the atonement.​

All this argument and you ignore that this is in the participle which makes "erchomai", coming Yes erchomai is th eword, but how it is constructe is dependent on mood case, number voice etc.

 

[David in NJ]

Are you still bound by law? And if you’re not bound by law, how can Satan even accuse you? Or how can Satan, who had his head crushed in by Jesus do anything to anyone if he is still wandering around today?

You do realize that Jesus was sent to cast that prince - Satan who owned the world at once upon a time until his demise, - out of the world? And his judgement drew nearer.

Ol Satan, gets blamed for more things than the Cookie Monster for getting into cookies.

I don’t believe Satan is still around, David, and it’s because of the promised that are stated in the Bible, that talks about Satans defeat and I believe today that God is in control, and that Satan was done away with as promised by the writer of revelation.

It’s really hard to believe because most people do not care, or it is hard for them to understand because they have not been reading their Bible properly and studying as regular as one should be, even with use of researching things up, and what some of the Greek words mean.

I would understand if Satan could accuse you if you were under the law of Moses; because Jesus came by Satan and was tempted with all the world. Jesus overcame the law, and he was sent to destroy the works of the devil.

What a person choose to understand about this, idk.

Instead of saying: "I don't believe" Scripture - say Yes, LORD i believe every word that has been spoken by GOD to me in Your word."

Matthew(your name) 5:37 - Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.

YES = 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.

YES = Ephesians 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

YES/Coming Soon = Revelatian 20:1-3 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.
But after these things he must be released for a little while.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Rapture = 100% TRUE

In what way do you see they represent the 'church'?

That is difficult. Both them and the church are caught up. But the church is caught up sometime before all hell breaks loose and Enoch and Elijah were not. so I consider it a loose representation, but not to make doctrine or absolute teaching over.

 

[David in NJ]

That is difficult. Both them and the church are caught up. But the church is caught up sometime before all hell breaks loose and Enoch and Elijah were not. so I consider it a loose representation, but not to make doctrine or absolute teaching over.

Excellent observation about Enoch and Elijah.

Therefore we can safely conclude that Enoch does not speak of the church.

Here is something you may have not known = the Gospel and Revelation is in Genesis

 

[David in NJ]

That is difficult. Both them and the church are caught up. But the church is caught up sometime before all hell breaks loose and Enoch and Elijah were not. so I consider it a loose representation, but not to make doctrine or absolute teaching over.

IMPORTANT NOTE:
Enoch and Elijah were on earth going thru 'HELL on Earth" BEFORE they were Raptured.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Excellent observation about Enoch and Elijah.

Therefore we can safely conclude that neither Enoch nor Elijah speak of the church.

Here is something you may have not known = the Gospel and Revelation is in Genesis

Well bits of both are seeded in genesis, but only shadows.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

IMPORTANT NOTE:
Enoch and Elijah were on earth going thru 'HELL on Earth" BEFORE they were Raptured.

If what they endured is hell on earth, it wasn't so bad. And we know nothing of what Enoch went through.

 

[David in NJ]

If what they endured is hell on earth, it wasn't so bad. And we know nothing of what Enoch went through.

We do know of what Enoch went thru for Jude and Revelation tells us.

Think now my Brother, put on the Mind of Christ which you have.

JESUS said: "As in the days of Noah so shall the return of the son of Man be."

God destroyed the entire human/animal population on earth with the Flood.
Enoch was living on earth just before this happened.
Noah was also living on earth right up to and including the Flood.

Revelation and Jude tells us what happened on earth in Enoch and Noah's day.

 

[David in NJ]

If what they endured is hell on earth, it wasn't so bad. And we know nothing of what Enoch went through.

LOL - "wasn't so bad" = being slaughtered by Jezebel is "not that bad"???

So bad was it that the LORD had to hide people for Himself to preserve Truth on earth.
And Elijah cries out "LORD, I alone am left"

 

[David in NJ]

That is difficult. Both them and the church are caught up. But the church is caught up sometime before all hell breaks loose and Enoch and Elijah were not. so I consider it a loose representation, but not to make doctrine or absolute teaching over.

i made a correction to Post 310.

Elijah can be a foreshadow of the Rapture of the Church = 100% being caught Up after the tribulation just as Jesus said.

 

[MatthewG]

Instead of saying: "I don't believe" Scripture - say Yes, LORD i believe every word that has been spoken by GOD to me in Your word."

Matthew(your name) 5:37 - Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.

YES = 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.

YES = Ephesians 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

YES/Coming Soon = Revelatian 20:1-3 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.
But after these things he must be released for a little while.

That did not answer my question, but okay.

 

[amigo de christo]

LOL - "wasn't so bad" = being slaughtered by Jezebel is "not that bad"???

So bad was it that the LORD had to hide people for Himself to preserve Truth on earth.
And Elijah cries out "LORD, I alone am left"

and like in the days of elijah , there too is a remnant in these days who have not bowed
the knee to the all inclusive many path lie . THEY KISS the SON , not the golden calf of men and their traditions .
My advice to this generation is KISS the SON and not the Calf . Lest on the day of the LORD they see HIS WRATH .

 

[amigo de christo]

We do know of what Enoch went thru for Jude and Revelation tells us.

Think now my Brother, put on the Mind of Christ which you have.

JESUS said: "As in the days of Noah so shall the return of the son of Man be."

God destroyed the entire human/animal population on earth with the Flood.
Enoch was living on earth just before this happened.
Noah was also living on earth right up to and including the Flood.

Revelation and Jude tells us what happened on earth in Enoch and Noah's day.

and a huge reminder is that they all never even saw it coming . Never even believed it was nigh .
TILL SUDDENLY the wrath came upon them .
COME get you out of this place , the LORD will destroy it , but he was a one that mocked unto them .
Now lets forward to today .
COME get ye out of this sold out churches and come ye out from amongst them , FOR GOD will destroy them on the day
of HIS wrath . And they too mock and say , GOD IS LOVE and they hold the rainbow flags high
and they hug all and say all paths are fine , all is well , GOD is love and there is no lake of fire .
BUT THERE IS a lake of fire , there is a coming day WHEN the very CHRIST they denied
will tread indeed the very winepress of GOD against the ungodly who rejected the love of the truth
and had pleasure in unrighteousness . ITS REAL and its why we must more than ever proclaim
the truth of the gospel , of the teachings of our LORD and all sound doctrine .
Though for our love we will be hated , our desire was none to perish .
When they were sick were humbled ourselves , prayed for them , behaved as though they were our brother
BUT IN OUR ADVERSITY , aka the times of great tribulation , they will cheer and believe they do gods will
as lambs are slaughtered . F OR they now believe the will of GOD is NOT FAITH IN CHRIST
but rather just unity for world peace , be as one , make our own tower to heaven with many diverse stones .
BUT mark my words , THEIR MANY PATH TOWER will NEVER reach to heaven . FOR THE ONLY PATH TO GOD WAS AND IS IN THE SON ALONE . and JESUS aint the minstir of sin either . Folks better learn bibles fast is all i can say .

 

[amigo de christo]

IMPORTANT NOTE:
Enoch and Elijah were on earth going thru 'HELL on Earth" BEFORE they were Raptured.

Folks need to read slowly the first chapter of second thessalonians .
ITS REAL clear we are appointed unto tribulation
but on the day of the LORD we shall have rest
as HE dishes out TRIBULATION and WRATH AGAINST THOSE who persecuted us .
ITS A ONE TIME , ONE DAY EVENT . WE are going to be persecuted and endure tribulation
till the day of CHRIST when we go home as HE delivers the wrath against the ungodly .
ITS SO CLEAR . IF folks would stop heeding men and just read it for themselves .